Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #15
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Thanks for the updates! It's surprising that the judge only realized today that there was a conflict. I suppose the re-scheduling of the hearing (Jan) is to allow for the appeal to be over? Any thoughts?
Video interview with Edda
http://www.umbria24.it/lintervista-a-edda-mellas-la-madre-di-amanda-knox/48974.html
Yes, I thought it was bizarre, to say the least, to recuse himself on the day of the trial. Yes, no doubt was a tactic to stall for the appeal verdict. If a victory, prosecution might drop the case. :waitasec:
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I would think so, as a reversal in verdict would lend credence to the coercion theory.
I noticed in one of the the article last week (wish I had copied the quote) that defendant's lawyers were saying that although the DNA report is good news, there is still a long ways to go before the end is in sight.
I don't think the judge only realized this today since CNN had an article up before this trial that he would withdraw from the case. Maybe it is just a procedurial issue that he has to withdraw today? I have no idea why he was assigned to this case in the first place. Maybe it was just his turn
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I don't think the judge only realized this today since CNN had an article up before this trial that he would withdraw from the case. Maybe it is just a procedurial issue that he has to withdraw today? I have no idea why he was assigned to this case in the first place. Maybe it was just his turn
Thanks ... it's probably procedural then, which may explain why Curt was not in Italy for the hearing.
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I haven't posted about this case before and just recently became interested in it. I remember hearing about this case on the news but was stationed in Iraq at the time of the trial, so I had more important things on my mind at that time to say the least, so I didn't really follow it. But now I have searched the internet and been reading up on both sides of the case and have come to the conclusion that AK and RS are in fact guilty IMO. I do keep an open mind, but feel there is a vast amount of evidence pointing directly at them, not just DNA but circumstantial evidence as well. There is more evidence of their guilt than say Scott Peterson or Casey Anthony IMO. I have some questions though for the pro-AK group and would like to fill in some of my questions from their perspective, I'm sure most of this has been discussed but there are thousands of posts about this.
- First and foremost where did the double-DNA on the knife come from? How did AK and MKs DNA get on the knife? Also if the DNA was contaminated why did RS make up a lie as to how MKs DNA possibly could have gotten on it? That make no sense if he were innocent, if it were me I woulda cried BS and said it was planted... not lie about it.
- How did RSs DNA get on the bra clasp? I've read about the questions as to why it was collected later and also wonder about that, but that still doesn't explain his DNA being present... unless it was planted, but I don't really buy that.
- Why do AK and RS have no alibi? Why have they lied over and over again about what happened that night? It makes no sense, they have lied or changed their story about when they ate dinner, how long they slept and about their interactions on the computer and in RSs case whether AK was there the whole night or not... why do that?
- Why didn't AK flush the toilet after she noticed the feces in it while blow drying her hair? Not only is that pretty gross, but really weird for someone not to do that.
- Also going by AKs story why didn't she call the police immediately after seeing the supposed break in? Again really odd.
- Why if RG acted alone did he take the time to clean up and stage a break in? Also I've read that clothes were in the wash when the police arrived, who did that?
- Who's footprints were on the bathmat? Why were small barefoot prints found throughout the flat, especially when apparently RGs footprints lead straight out the door?
-How was AKs blood mixed with MKs blood in various places throughout the flat? I get that they lived there together but mixed DNA of blood after one of the contributors is found dead is pretty damning to me.
- How did AK know that MK "f'ng bleed to death" when that's something she shouldn't have known?
-Why was RS concerned when RG was arrested that he would "make up strange things" when the two supposedly didn't know each other?
- Why was AK's table lamp in MKs room? Could it be to provide more light for a clean up? I was stationed in Germany, and there bedroom's regularly don't have a ceiling light and as I understand it was the same in this particular apartment, so not having the only light source in your room is a pretty big deal.
These are just a few of the questions that really bug me and lead me to believe that justice has been served in the case. The main thing I have noticed with the pro-AK group is that there is no motive, well really the why isn't important or not nearly as much as the who and the how. I don't know why sociopaths do what they do or why group mentalities can lead to bad events, they just do. I don't know why Karla Homolka went along with Paul Bernardo and began raping, torturing and murdering young girl, starting with her own sister, she just did. There have been numerous motives deposited though, from deviant sexual games getting out of control to robbery of rent money to plain old jealousy... any of the above is possible. Or maybe they just brought the wrong guy back to their flat to party with and he committed the act alone and the other 2 covered it up as not to be implicated as accessories. No matter why it happened, it happened and the "scant" evidence does point directly at all 3 being involved.
Anyways thanks for reading my long rambling post. Please feel free to correct any mistakes or misconceptions I have made.
- First and foremost where did the double-DNA on the knife come from? How did AK and MKs DNA get on the knife? Also if the DNA was contaminated why did RS make up a lie as to how MKs DNA possibly could have gotten on it? That make no sense if he were innocent, if it were me I woulda cried BS and said it was planted... not lie about it.
- How did RSs DNA get on the bra clasp? I've read about the questions as to why it was collected later and also wonder about that, but that still doesn't explain his DNA being present... unless it was planted, but I don't really buy that.
- Why do AK and RS have no alibi? Why have they lied over and over again about what happened that night? It makes no sense, they have lied or changed their story about when they ate dinner, how long they slept and about their interactions on the computer and in RSs case whether AK was there the whole night or not... why do that?
- Why didn't AK flush the toilet after she noticed the feces in it while blow drying her hair? Not only is that pretty gross, but really weird for someone not to do that.
- Also going by AKs story why didn't she call the police immediately after seeing the supposed break in? Again really odd.
- Why if RG acted alone did he take the time to clean up and stage a break in? Also I've read that clothes were in the wash when the police arrived, who did that?
- Who's footprints were on the bathmat? Why were small barefoot prints found throughout the flat, especially when apparently RGs footprints lead straight out the door?
-How was AKs blood mixed with MKs blood in various places throughout the flat? I get that they lived there together but mixed DNA of blood after one of the contributors is found dead is pretty damning to me.
- How did AK know that MK "f'ng bleed to death" when that's something she shouldn't have known?
-Why was RS concerned when RG was arrested that he would "make up strange things" when the two supposedly didn't know each other?
- Why was AK's table lamp in MKs room? Could it be to provide more light for a clean up? I was stationed in Germany, and there bedroom's regularly don't have a ceiling light and as I understand it was the same in this particular apartment, so not having the only light source in your room is a pretty big deal.
These are just a few of the questions that really bug me and lead me to believe that justice has been served in the case. The main thing I have noticed with the pro-AK group is that there is no motive, well really the why isn't important or not nearly as much as the who and the how. I don't know why sociopaths do what they do or why group mentalities can lead to bad events, they just do. I don't know why Karla Homolka went along with Paul Bernardo and began raping, torturing and murdering young girl, starting with her own sister, she just did. There have been numerous motives deposited though, from deviant sexual games getting out of control to robbery of rent money to plain old jealousy... any of the above is possible. Or maybe they just brought the wrong guy back to their flat to party with and he committed the act alone and the other 2 covered it up as not to be implicated as accessories. No matter why it happened, it happened and the "scant" evidence does point directly at all 3 being involved.
Anyways thanks for reading my long rambling post. Please feel free to correct any mistakes or misconceptions I have made.
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You are mistaken on a number of these points of which I will provide either links to help you become more informed to enable you to make a more informed decision regarding your opinions.
First off. No one on any of these forums has examined AK medically to make any type of diagnosis with respect to her. Period. There has been nothing which has been presented by the prosecution/defense to allude to any disorder thus I take great exception to anyone that tries to base a diagnosis on any individual unless an individual has been examined by a professional rather than tabloid fodder. This I have found throughout the threads here to be a standard practice by posters but a dangerous one.
EXPERTS CONCLUSION
CONCLUSIONS
Based on the considerations explained above, we are able to respond as follows to the inquiries posed at the assignment hearing:
"Having examined the record and conducted such technical investigations as shall be necessary, the Expert Panel shall ascertain:
1. whether it is possible, by means of a new technical analysis, to identify the DNA present on items 165b (bra clasp) and 36 (knife), and to determine the reliability of any such identification"
- The tests that we conducted to determine the presence of blood on item 36 (knife) and item 165B (bra clasps) yielded a negative result.
- The cytomorphological tests on the items did not reveal the presence of cellular material. Some samples of item 36 (knife), in particular sample "H", present granules with a circular/hexagonal characteristic morphology with a cental radial structure. A more detailed microscopic study, together with the consultation of data in the literature, allowed us to ascertain that the structures in question are attributable to granules of starch, thus matter of a vegetable nature.
- The quantification of the extracts obtained from the samples obtained from item 36 (knife) and item 165B (bra clasps), conducted via Real Time PCR, did not reveal the presence of DNA.
- In view of the absence of DNA in the extracts that we obtained, with the agreement of the consultants for the parties, we did not proceed to the subsequent amplification step.
2. "if it is not possible to carry out a new technical analysis, shall evaluate, on the basis of the record, the degree of reliability of the genetic analysis performed by the Scientific Police on the aforementioned items, including with respect to possible contamination."
Having examined the record and the relevant documents, we are able to report the following conclusions regarding the laboratory analyses performed on Item 36 (knife) and Item 165B (bra clasps):
ITEM 36 (KNIFE)
Relative to the genetic analysis performed on trace A (handle of the knife), we agree with the conclusion reached by the Technical Consultant regarding the attribution of the genetic profile obtained from these samples to Amanda Marie Knox.
Relative to trace B (blade of the knife) we find that the technical analyses performed are not reliable for the following reasons:
1. There does not exist evidence which scientifically confirms that trace B (blade of knife) is the product of blood.
2. The electrophoretic profiles exhibited reveal that the sample indicated by the letter B (blade of knife) was a Low Copy Number (LCN) sample, and, as such, all of the precautions indicated by the international scientific community should have been applied.
3. Taking into account that none of the recommendations of the international scientific community relative to the treatment of Low Copy Number (LCN) samples were followed, we do not accept the conclusions regarding the certain attribution of the profile found on trace B (blade of knife) to the victim Meredith Susanna Cara Kercher, since the genetic profile, as obtained, appears unreliable insofar as it is not supported by scientifically validated analysis;
4. International protocols of inspection, collection, and sampling were not followed;
5. It cannot be ruled out that the result obtained from sample B (blade of knife) derives from contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling and/or analyses performed.
ITEM 165B (BRA CLASPS)
Relative to Item 165B (bra clasps), we find that the technical analysis is not reliable for the following reasons:
1. There does not exist evidence which scientifically confirms the presence of supposed flaking cells on the item;
2. There was an erroneous interpretation of the electrophoretic profile of the autosomic STRs;
3. There was an erroneous interpretation of the electrophoretic profile relative to the Y chromosome;
4. The international protocols for inspection, collection, and sampling of the item were not followed;
5. It cannot be ruled out that the results obtained derive from environmental contamination and/or contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling of the item.
THE EXPERTS
Prof. Carla Vecchiotti
Prof. Stefano Conti
The report by the experts appointed by the Court were very clear in their conclusions with respect to the DNA of the both the knife and bra clasp. The danger with the bra clasp from my readings of this report are disturbing. The more detailed I reviewed the information in this report during a brief holiday the more damning the information contained in the report.
In layman's terms there is not a profile of RS on the bra clasp. What they appear to be saying is that Stephanoni under testimony that was attributed to RS, stated that a Y chromosome could be attributed to a percentage of the male Italian population. It also appears from this report that they are stating that she may of committed perjury on the stand with respect to some other testimony as there is no documentation to support her testing.
As for the knife the knife was not cleaned with bleach as the prosecution stated. Even with cleaning with bleach you would remove the ability to detect DNA before removing the possibility of detecting blood. They are stating there is no DNA of MK on the knife, that the knife was not cleaned with bleach, and that they actually found starch on the blade. Starch would soak up any blood if it had indeed been the murder weapon but no blood was found. As well this knife could not of make 2 of the 3 wounds.
As for the mixed DNA found in the cottage the experts also address this. They have not only condemned the testing but as well have condemned the collection, chain of custody, testing, and the actions of the forensic team in great detail throughout the report.
In essence they are calling into question all of the evidence collected at the cottage. This report is highly critical of every stage. It is not lightly worded in fact quite the opposite it is scathing in its' review. After taking the opportunity to review this report with more time at my disposal I was even more shocked at how sloppy this work was
The experts also question the mixed DNA profiles. Let it be noted that there is no mixed BLOOD of AK and MK due to the collection methods and the number of errors noted within the report regarding this from not changing collection tools, gloves, and the wide areas which were swabbed.
They do have alibi's. Each other as well as computer activity and a friend of RS's that stopped by his apartment. RS though could not state with 100% certainty that AK did not get out of bed while he was sleeping as you would not be able to either if you were faced with the same predicament.
The TOD based on the stomach contents places her death between 2 - 3 hours after the meal. As per the testimony of her friends this meal started about 6:00 pm but before 6:30. So many variables are known that determining the TOD is valid scientifically. TOD is calculated from the first mouthful not the last as so many have tried to state. The autopsy was video-taped and there was no slippage of the stomach contents into the duodenum. All of the experts including Dr. Lalli agreed that TOD would of been between 9:00 - 9:30. By 10:00 slippage would of occurred. The prosecution tried in its' closing arguments to push the TOD to 11:40 which would of been impossible considering the was no abnormal pathology of the gastrointestinal tract and she was healthy.
There was no clean up. Under luminal if a cleanup had of occurred it would show up much like the wiping of a chalkboard. As well, AK and RS both have unusual footprints. AK's 2nd toe is longer and RS has a hammertoe which does not allow him to step on his 2n toe. In the luminal enhanced photos produced at trial none of these characteristics were present and he also noted that neither the other occupants of the cottage or the victim herself had impressions taken of their footprints for comparison.
As for how AK knew what had happened all of the people present knew very quickly what had occurred and it was explained in greater detail both in the car and at the police station. Half of Perugia knew what had happened as murders were not overly common. Information, much of it incorrect information was leaked to the press by ILE.
The footprint on the bathmat is a partial print and as the experts testified it would be impossible to state with certainty whose print that was.
MK put a load of laundry into the washing machine prior to leaving for her friends house. AK always took her laundry to the laundry mat as there was a dryer there.
The table lamp can be seen in police video. Either MK borrowed the lamp or my personal opinion is that ILE used it for additional light.
The scientific experts appointed by the court deny any scientific validity to the tests of geneticist Patricia Stefanoni, adds Bertoldi, referring to the scientist who tested the DNA samples in the uncertified Rome lab. They do not trust the examinations of the knife and hook bra, made by the police.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/
The help Amelie couldn't give comes by surprise from a Manga cartoon: Naruto. That night Raffaele, after having downloaded a Naruto cartoon, has opened it and then closed at 9.46 pm. If this is true he could hardly have been in time for the orgy at via della pergola (and if you miss preliminaries you miss everything).
But there's something more. According to Bongiorno the call that started from Meredith's english cellphone at 10.13 pm detected the presence of the mobile phone in the garden where it will be found the day after. This means that at about 10 pm the murder was already consumed and the killer was already going to throw the cellphones away. Which would set Raffaele, and by consequence Amanda, out of the games
http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2008/10/raffaele-was-watching-cartoons.html
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So right Nova it would of been brought up on appeal as ineffective representation by her defense.
Hi, and welcome to the thread
Personally I don't feel there is anything as strong against the two in this case as there is against Scott Peterson. Peterson was telling Amber Fey his wife was dead just weeks before she died, had a clear and strong motive, and was caught preparing to flee arrest. Likewise, I don't think there is anything as strong as Joran Van Dersloot being caught on tape entering a room with a girl who is alive then coming out of that room leaving her dead. Or Casey Anthony not reporting her own daughter missing for a month, not to mention her actual lies that are 100 percent without a doubt lies.
I don't know if you've heard the news, but independent experts in the ongoing appeal trial have come to the same conclusion the defense tried to argue in the first trial. The DNA evidence on the knife and bra is inconclusive. If RS is innocent then his attempt at explaining the DNA on the knife is just his attempt at rationalizing something that he took as an irrefutable fact from police.
According to the new report the independent experts found that the bra clasp contained "erroneous interpretation of the electrophoretic profile". Nor were any cells determined to have ever existed in the first place. On top of that is the gross disregard of safeguards against contamination in the collection, storage and analysis phases. When experts with no stake in either side of the trial come to these conclusions, it's hard not to take them very seriously.
Since when is not having an alibi an indicator of guilt? If two people are accused of a crime, it's not their fault they chose to hang out at home and not have anyone to corroborate their presence there. There has been much debate over whether they actually lied about what time they ate dinner and what time they actually got out of bed. There is strong evidence that both AK and were coerced into breaking each other's alibi in one interrogation on November 5th.
Okay, this one is pretty weak, IMO. Apparently the other roommates complained about Amanda's lack of cleaning skills around the apartment and had actually been reminded before to always flush the toilet. Not only that, but it wasn't her bathroom, so less reason to feel the need to flush it, and of course what does it even prove that she didn't flush someone else's waste?
She didn't see the "supposed break-in" until she returned with Rafaelle the second time. What she saw the first time was an open front door which would swing open by itself if not locked, and a little bit of blood in the sink. When she returned with Raf they went in Filomena's room and saw the broken window.
The lack of evidence pointing to a clean-up or staged break-in has also been a strong point of debate here. Like the DNA evidence it seems to be inconclusive - Unless you can explain what you think is definitive about there being a clean-up or staged break-in.
The prosecution argued it was RS's print on the bathmat, and the judge apparently agreed. The problem with the print on the bathmat is that it looks nothing like RS's reference print which has a very distinct and unusually-shaped big toe. Smaller barefoot footprints prove what?
AK's blood was not mixed with MK's. Her DNA was found mixed in the same samples as MK's blood in the sink they shared. Along with other unknown DNA. Because they didn't take reference samples from the roommates we'll never know if their DNA is also in those samples. DNA is a strong tool for placing someone where they shouldn't be. This was Amanda's home.
AK and RS were present with roommates and friends when the body was discovered and one of the friends testified that one of the officers went in the room and said outloud there was a lot of blood. There was no gag order on the people at the scene of the crime. There were officers, reporters, friends and family all hanging out at the crime scene for hours after the body was discovered. The girls who testified that Amanda said this were not present at the crime scene and of course it was news to them.
What does this prove exactly? What does not knowing someone have to do with being afraid they will or won't lie to save their own butt. RS was already in jail with (what later turned out to be false) evidence placing him at the scene of the crime. It doesn't take a psychic for RS to say what he said.
The lamp appears to have been on MK's desk before being knocked off possibly during the attack. Amanda was not home most nights as she was staying at Raf's. It's very likely Meredith borrowed the lamp to use as she had no ceiling lamp, just a bedside one. I, myself have two lamps in my bedroom. The one bedside lamp doesn't cut it.
Every time another case is brought up to compare to this one it pales in comparison. In each one, either a strong motive is shown, or the guilty person is shown to have had a past of deviant behavior, abuse, mental problems, or a history of similar crimes. The only person in this case that fits any of this is Rudy Guede. He had motive, he had a criminal past involving break-ins, he was attracted to the victim, and he came from a broken home and an abusive father.
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Something like One Republics Apologize :innocent:
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While on a my short vacation without cell phones, internet etc I was able to review the experts opinion and it is my belief that this opinion is much stronger and takes things much further that I had even initially thought.
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They may try but I will suspect that her testimony considering there are no SAL cards to back up her testing will not hold up. The experts noted this in their report. We could be looking at even more perjury
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Amazing that the writing is so different and of all people Mignini read this out. Even more amazing although why it should be is why it had not been disclosed to the defense hhhhhhmmmmmm
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@I_Must_Break_You ...
I see you've heard from the voice that does not trust the jury, so I'll add my 2 cents.
Sollecito's explanation for Merdith's DNA on the knife blade is very suspicious. As you point out, innocent people don't make up lies to explain DNA on a knife.
There is no logical explanation for Sollecito's DNA on the bra clasp and not even flying DNA explains it as there was no source for it to fly from.
Knox and Sollecito lied about their activities on the night of the murder. There is no logical explanation for two educated individuals to lie about their timelines during a murder investigation unless they have something to hide.
Good question about Knox not flushing the toilet. She was fixing her hair next to a dirty toilet, still (according to her) unaware that anything was amiss at the cottage, and did nothing about it - very odd indeed.
There is no explanation for Knox's behavior that day. After realizing that something was wrong at the cottage, she still did nothing. According to her, she got the mop, strolled through town, arrived at Sollecito's apartment, mopped the floor, had something to eat, and then decided to mention the situation to Sollecito.
Filomina arrived at the cottage shortly after noon and noticed that the washer was warm. The contents were very wet. Two towels were tested for evidence but nothing was learned about them.
The bathmat barefoot print has been matched to Sollecito as it is too short and wide to belong to Guede or any other suspect. The smaller barefoot prints, revealed using luminol, have been attributed to Knox. Guede's footprints are all made with shoes and go from the bedroom straight out the front door.
The mixed DNA is in Filomina's bedroom. It is one piece of evidence that the defense has strategically avoided, but that could change with the new DNA report.
Knox knew too much about the murder for someone that didn't speak Italian and didn't see into the bedroom after the bedroom door was opened. Manner of death had not yet been announced when Knox told people that Meredith bled to death. That has never been properly explained. It has been suggested that one of Filomina's friend (who doesn't speak English) told Sollecito (who doesn't speak English) who told Knox (who didn't speak Italian). It has been suggested that Knox and Sollecito couldn't execute a murder because they didn't share a language, yet we are to believe that when it came to explaining the manner of death, they did share a language.
Knox's lamp was in Meredith's bedroom, and there was no DNA anywhere on the lamp. It is most likely that it was used during a clean-up, with some speculating that Knox lost one of her many earrings during the struggle and they were looking for it.
Guede did not officially identify Knox and Sollecito as accomplices until after his appeals were concluded.
And ... don't waste your time with the cook: Dempsey. She is not a journalist or a reporter, but rather a <modsnip> that is known for attempting to manipulate facts and information on the Meredith Kercher wikipedia article.
I see you've heard from the voice that does not trust the jury, so I'll add my 2 cents.
Sollecito's explanation for Merdith's DNA on the knife blade is very suspicious. As you point out, innocent people don't make up lies to explain DNA on a knife.
There is no logical explanation for Sollecito's DNA on the bra clasp and not even flying DNA explains it as there was no source for it to fly from.
Knox and Sollecito lied about their activities on the night of the murder. There is no logical explanation for two educated individuals to lie about their timelines during a murder investigation unless they have something to hide.
Good question about Knox not flushing the toilet. She was fixing her hair next to a dirty toilet, still (according to her) unaware that anything was amiss at the cottage, and did nothing about it - very odd indeed.
There is no explanation for Knox's behavior that day. After realizing that something was wrong at the cottage, she still did nothing. According to her, she got the mop, strolled through town, arrived at Sollecito's apartment, mopped the floor, had something to eat, and then decided to mention the situation to Sollecito.
Filomina arrived at the cottage shortly after noon and noticed that the washer was warm. The contents were very wet. Two towels were tested for evidence but nothing was learned about them.
The bathmat barefoot print has been matched to Sollecito as it is too short and wide to belong to Guede or any other suspect. The smaller barefoot prints, revealed using luminol, have been attributed to Knox. Guede's footprints are all made with shoes and go from the bedroom straight out the front door.
The mixed DNA is in Filomina's bedroom. It is one piece of evidence that the defense has strategically avoided, but that could change with the new DNA report.
Knox knew too much about the murder for someone that didn't speak Italian and didn't see into the bedroom after the bedroom door was opened. Manner of death had not yet been announced when Knox told people that Meredith bled to death. That has never been properly explained. It has been suggested that one of Filomina's friend (who doesn't speak English) told Sollecito (who doesn't speak English) who told Knox (who didn't speak Italian). It has been suggested that Knox and Sollecito couldn't execute a murder because they didn't share a language, yet we are to believe that when it came to explaining the manner of death, they did share a language.
Knox's lamp was in Meredith's bedroom, and there was no DNA anywhere on the lamp. It is most likely that it was used during a clean-up, with some speculating that Knox lost one of her many earrings during the struggle and they were looking for it.
Guede did not officially identify Knox and Sollecito as accomplices until after his appeals were concluded.
And ... don't waste your time with the cook: Dempsey. She is not a journalist or a reporter, but rather a <modsnip> that is known for attempting to manipulate facts and information on the Meredith Kercher wikipedia article.
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If Knox doesn't know who murdered Meredith, then why is her defense argument that Guede did it?
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I guess this case really just comes down to what side you believe, I've read the responses to my questions, and thank you all for your input. But really everything can be taken two ways and everything you guys say, the exact opposite is proposed on sites such as truejustice.org. Really I still believe they are guilty, I noticed with Malkmus' response was he kept asking what something proved... well I never said it proved anything they were just questions I had that stuck out as possible little building blocks that just didn't fit or make sense with the pro-AK angle to me. What does RS being scared of RG "making up strange things" prove, in itself nothing, but it sure is an odd thing to say or way to word that (sorry it just is). I also have found the alibis to very confused and full of lies, so that really comes down to whether you believe there was police pressure or not (even though that is a pretty much he said/she said debate). Anyways again thanks for the answers, was curious if there was something I was missing on my initial look at the case, but so far I don't believe there is... but like I said I always keep an open mind, but I'm still surely leaning toward guilty as charged.
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