Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #15

[otto]

I did throughout many threads of this forum.

You already clarified who the "we" is in your comments? Really?
Rudeness does not answer this question.

 

[otto]

I know but you brought it up

I didn't bring it up other than in reference to your remark.

 

[otto]

I really wish there was a "piss off" smiley. Don't you'?

 

[Allusonz]

I didn't bring it up other than in reference to your remark.

That is why I had a very good chuckle at another attempt to get away from the evidence in this case

 

[Allusonz]

I really wish there was a "piss off" smiley. Don't you'?

No I don't. That would not be websleuths style

 

[Allusonz]

You already clarified who the "we" is in your comments? Really?
Rudeness does not answer this question.

The only rudeness would be perceived as there simply was none

 

[SMK]

I really wish there was a "piss off" smiley. Don't you'?

There is: :razz:

 

[wasnt_me]

Again further proof that some posters will go to any extremes to try and make an argument valid no matter what the actual facts are.

There is no DNA of MK on the knife Hint it is in the experts document

The experts are also contesting the blood evidence which would include the one mixed DNA profile in FR's room. Hint it is also in their report

Right. Additionally, we already know that the clothes in the washer have nothing to do with the crime. The clothes were all MK's, and the clothes she wore TOD were all in her room. The clothes AK wore were on her bed. I don't know about RS's clothes, but surely he wasn't wearing MK's clothes. RG has already claimed what he did with his clothes, so the washer is a "dead" issue. Additionally, with RF arriving 1pm, there's no way in heck she felt a warm washer, because logically, who in the world would murder MK then proceed to do her irrelevant laundry? It'd be different if say her bedsheets were absent from the bed but in the wash. It would be different if MK had been completely naked and clothes were in the wash. But every stitch of clothes she had on the last day were scattered about her room, so what is the point of continuing to perpetuate RF's misconception about the washer?

 

[wasnt_me]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Payback is sweet after I ended up listening to that song after you made that last post...just teasing but it is a good song

ETA For most of the night btw rofl

So I guess that it's TOO late for me to apologize....yeah...yeah!!!!:great:

 

[wasnt_me]

There is always case law which can be referred to simply look at the Innocence Project. There are many well documented cases

Yes, but I mean Patrica's cases in specific. I'd like to know how many of her cases were overturned by faulty DNA. Or how many of her cases were disputed for this reason.

 

[wasnt_me]

I have always believed that if it started in another area of the house we would of seen some sign of it but that is simply MOO

ETA Alot of this information is rarely brought up but it is extremely important to understand the dynamics involved and the potential that MK could still be alive today if he had of been arrested

What's interesting is how RG constructs the story himself at the beginning. He paints of vision of it all happening in the livingroom. He runs out of the bathroom to see the assailant at the front door. and he at the same time describes being able to see MK on the floor.

He actually used the words "front door." I have to look at a layout, but I don't know if it were possible to see MK in her room dying and also be between the kitchen and livingroom to see someone at the front door.

It's interesting that he keeps referring to hearing the doorbell ring. There are only two reasons this would happen if it were AK and RS. 1. AK left her keys at RS's. 2. RS went to the front door ahead of AK, and she was behind doing something in the car that would preclude him from waiting for her to come and unlock the door. Not even if RG arrived with AK and RS would there be reason to ring the doorbell, except in those two instances.

I think it may have started in the front and the only reason MK ran to the back to her room was to get the keys to get out. RG cornered her back there. I think he got angry with her for being surly and trying to fight him or run passed him to get out of the room, and it started. The sexual assault was probably all about power and control and anger that she would fight him.

 

[wasnt_me]

The same holds true for prosecutors. One that comes to mind is Mignini. It works both ways but amazing how often that is overlooked....

I don't even understand that there is a conflict in AK's statement to begin with. RG is the real murderer, but he is not serving time for being the real and only murderer. The court didn't even cite that he stole the money or stabbed MK, so AK's statement is right on point when she says she wants the real killer to be revealed. She's right on point to even express doubts in regard to whether it was RG alone or RG and one of his friends. She doesn't know what happened in that cottage or who was there, so no one should expect her to speak as if she does. Only someone who believes in her guilt would add any kind of duplicitous meaning to her words.

 

[wasnt_me]

So apparently consistency is not as important as you have claimed. Especially not when the prosecutor has "poisoned the well" with leaks to the press.

I don't consider "sex game gone wrong" to fight over money to be consistent at all. And changing the TOD and motives between opening and closing remarks.....that's not consistent.

Exchanging one black man for another, that's consistent.

Adding more knives to the mix, that's consistent.

Parading one bad witness after another up, that's consistent.

As far as the trial being 11 months long, that's just not true. The trial took place within those months, but they were not in the courtroom every single day. I could be wrong, but I assume it's just like the appeal. They're meeting once or twice a month. That doesnt mean that the appeal has lasted 6 or 7 months. It means that it was performed over a 6-7 month time span.

now when we say AK and RS have been in jail about 3 yrs, this is completely true. 24/7 they have been in behind bars.

 

[Malkmus]

Leaks to the press? Would you like to take some time to complain about the DNA Report leak, or is that an okay leak?

This comparison is laughable. Comparing the damage done by releasing an official report on the DNA analysis to false information leaked in the press which could potentially taint a jury's perception of a defendant on trial is ridiculous. I don't even buy for a second that anyone would take such a comparison seriously. I HOPE you can see the difference.

 

[dgfred]

You already clarified who the "we" is in your comments? Really?
Rudeness does not answer this question.

That's all there is... which is ruining the thread by the way.

 

[wasnt_me]

There is: :razz:

"Whoop! There it is! Whoop! There it is! Whoop, there it is!"

(you knew I had a song for that, too, right?)

 

[wasnt_me]

This comparison is laughable. Comparing the damage done by releasing an official report on the DNA analysis to false information leaked in the press which could potentially taint a jury's perception of a defendant on trial is ridiculous. I don't even buy for a second that anyone would take such a comparison seriously. I HOPE you can see the difference.

It's laughable. I do not understand why a report that was due on June 30th, then was leaked because we got it on June 30th?

 

[Malkmus]

If emotionally involved people should not interfere with justice, perhaps everyone should step back and respect the jury's decision.

How can you say that the evidence to convict is not there? You don't speak Italian, did not attend the trial and don't know anything about it. What you are saying is that you do not trust the decision of the jury just because.

Otto, have you completely forgotten that there is an appeal process which is currently ongoing? The Italian courts have not decided, as you would like us to, to just step back and accept the original jury's decision.

 

[Malkmus]

Every jury gets it wrong when a victim is brutally murdered ... right? Or is it only wrong when the murderer is an American woman with crying parents.

Maybe it's time for a reminder that 47% of all criminal trials in Italy are overturned in the first round of appeals. So, nearly half the time in Italy the jury does get it wrong.

 

[Malkmus]

By the way, don't know if this has been posted: Work in progress translation of the experts DNA report.

http://knoxdnareport.wordpress.com/