Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #16

[Nova]

Please elaborate.

I think I was perfectly clear.

 

[otto]

Actually, I reposted all of them last night. That isn't what they said.

Since there seems to be some confusion, I'll repost:

What makes anyone think that the lawyer representing Meredith and her family is going to get a portion of the money awarded to the victim's family members?

Posts here regarding Maresca (representative for the victim Meredith Kercher):

wasnt_me: "Isn't that the lawyers job? I didn't realize it was his job to be just one more prosecution attorney. I think that's unfair, and the court shouldn't even allow him to act in that capacity. Anything civil ought to be separate from the criminal, and settled after the criminal has been settled."

Skewed_View: "The problem is that the Kercher's lawyer stands to lose his share of two million euros if AK & RS are acquitted - remember the terms of the civil trial verdict - one million from each defendant found guilty in the criminal trial (after all appeals, this is the Italian System). It's standard for lawyers in such cases to take a hefty chunk of anything their clients get, so that's one heck of a powerful motivator for him to cheer lead the prosecution no matter what."

Nova: "No, what he pointed out is that the Kerchers' lawyer only collects large fees if the defendants are convicted. That means his vested interest is not in the truth, but in securing convictions, regardless of the guilt or innocence of those charged. This is an insane system. And not the fault of the Kerchers' lawyer personally. He may genuinely believe AK and RS are guilty, just as you do. But we will never know whether his ability to collect large fees influenced that belief; he may not even know himself."

Nova: "(lots of laughing icons) Apparently, you have never met a lawyer. Now I don't know this particular attorney; he may genuinely care about justice for the Kercher family. SV's point, however, was that the system is set up so that the lawyer has a vested interest in something other than the truth."

 

[Nova]

Since there seems to be some confusion, I'll repost:

What makes anyone think that the lawyer representing Meredith and her family is going to get a portion of the money awarded to the victim's family members?

Posts here regarding Maresca (representative for the victim Meredith Kercher):

wasnt_me: "Isn't that the lawyers job? I didn't realize it was his job to be just one more prosecution attorney. I think that's unfair, and the court shouldn't even allow him to act in that capacity. Anything civil ought to be separate from the criminal, and settled after the criminal has been settled."

Skewed_View: "The problem is that the Kercher's lawyer stands to lose his share of two million euros if AK & RS are acquitted - remember the terms of the civil trial verdict - one million from each defendant found guilty in the criminal trial (after all appeals, this is the Italian System). It's standard for lawyers in such cases to take a hefty chunk of anything their clients get, so that's one heck of a powerful motivator for him to cheer lead the prosecution no matter what."

Nova: "No, what he pointed out is that the Kerchers' lawyer only collects large fees if the defendants are convicted. That means his vested interest is not in the truth, but in securing convictions, regardless of the guilt or innocence of those charged. This is an insane system. And not the fault of the Kerchers' lawyer personally. He may genuinely believe AK and RS are guilty, just as you do. But we will never know whether his ability to collect large fees influenced that belief; he may not even know himself."

Nova: "(lots of laughing icons) Apparently, you have never met a lawyer. Now I don't know this particular attorney; he may genuinely care about justice for the Kercher family. SV's point, however, was that the system is set up so that the lawyer has a vested interest in something other than the truth."

Yes, that was your post. Every single one of those posts criticizes the system, not the man. Most of the posts specially state they are not accusing Maresca of personal corruption.

 

[SMK]

I think I was perfectly clear.

So do I. :snooty:

 

[otto]

Did it "ring" for 85 seconds or did it go to voicemail, where FR left a message? How do we know?

What difference does it make. It took Filomina about 85 seconds to make a call to Knox about locating Meredith ... one of two calls that Knox did not answer shortly after Knox called Filomina. Knox, on the other hand, made a 16 second call to Meredith's UK phone, then 3 and 4 second calls to both the UK and Italy phones. That's hardly enough time for someone to answer the phone let along leave a message.

It suggests that Knox didn't really expect Meredith to answer the phones.

 

[otto]

So do I. :snooty:

It was perfectly clear. CBS has criticized the family of a murder victim in describing them as the "so called "dignified" Kerchers".

 

[otto]

Yes, that was your post. Every single one of those posts criticizes the system, not the man. Most of the posts specially state they are not accusing Maresca of personal corruption.

When a statements includes "the Kercher's lawyer ..." then it is actually a comment about the lawyer, not the system.

 

[SMK]

Since there seems to be some confusion, I'll repost:

What makes anyone think that the lawyer representing Meredith and her family is going to get a portion of the money awarded to the victim's family members?

Posts here regarding Maresca (representative for the victim Meredith Kercher):

wasnt_me: "Isn't that the lawyers job? I didn't realize it was his job to be just one more prosecution attorney. I think that's unfair, and the court shouldn't even allow him to act in that capacity. Anything civil ought to be separate from the criminal, and settled after the criminal has been settled."

Skewed_View: "The problem is that the Kercher's lawyer stands to lose his share of two million euros if AK & RS are acquitted - remember the terms of the civil trial verdict - one million from each defendant found guilty in the criminal trial (after all appeals, this is the Italian System). It's standard for lawyers in such cases to take a hefty chunk of anything their clients get, so that's one heck of a powerful motivator for him to cheer lead the prosecution no matter what."

Nova: "No, what he pointed out is that the Kerchers' lawyer only collects large fees if the defendants are convicted. That means his vested interest is not in the truth, but in securing convictions, regardless of the guilt or innocence of those charged. This is an insane system. And not the fault of the Kerchers' lawyer personally. He may genuinely believe AK and RS are guilty, just as you do. But we will never know whether his ability to collect large fees influenced that belief; he may not even know himself."

Nova: "(lots of laughing icons) Apparently, you have never met a lawyer. Now I don't know this particular attorney; he may genuinely care about justice for the Kercher family. SV's point, however, was that the system is set up so that the lawyer has a vested interest in something other than the truth."

Actually, it is more like 8 million at stake if the convictions are overturned. Do I think Francesco is chasing money? Answer: He is a lawyer. We all know how greedy they have become in the past decades; books have been written on the subject. Attorneys take a cut of 30-40 %, so yes, I do believe 3.2 million may be driving him..... Does this mean the Kercher's are bad people? NO. Just hurt, terribly hurt, and looking to their attorney for guidance.

 

[dgfred]

The biggest problem with Maresca seems to be his trashing every defense theory/witness/expert at the trial... so he gets bashed as a result. It is only natural to 'not like' the one destroying your side of the case. :maddening:

 

[SMK]

It was perfectly clear. CBS has criticized the family of a murder victim in describing them as the "so called "dignified" Kerchers".

Well, it was someone leaving a comment. I do not think CBS would ever have questioned the dignity of the Kercher family. The only reason I posted the comment, was that I wanted to show you what "the word up" on Francesco was, and was too tired to go sifting through Frank's posts at Perugia Shock...:blushing:

 

[SMK]

The biggest problem with Maresca seems to be his trashing every defense theory/witness/expert at the trial... so he gets bashed as a result. It is only natural to 'not like' the one destroying your side of the case. :maddening:

Yes, that is his job. And the 8 million - of which he may get 40% - may arouse a bit of envy and suspicion as well. Such is life.

 

[dgfred]

Your question about the phone calls was addressed to "Anyone." The last time I checked, that would include me.

As for your question about errors in Kermit's (is that the right name?) PowerPoint presentation, I wasn't about to restate everything that's been discussed here over the past year. I'm sure you know the errors as well as I. If not, SMK mentioned just a couple from the first part of the presentation.

As I said, those couple mentioned hardly classify as 'misinformation'.

I did not ask about 'everything discussed here'... just what you considered misinformation in the presentation. I see no errors in the presentation... that is why I wanted you to back up your claim.

 

[dgfred]

Yes, that is his job. And the 8 million - of which he may get 40% - may arouse a bit of envy and suspicion as well. Such is life.

Right, and the money compensation is part of doing the job correctly.

 

[SMK]

Right, and the money compensation is part of doing the job correctly.

Of course. But since it is such a huge compensation, it is natural to wonder if it may corrupt the attorney, or at least color his mind and motive a bit. He is only human. Here is another comment on him, on CBS post. I am not sure where he comes by so extreme a reputation:

Francesco Maresca is a slimy, money grubbing lawyer who is far less interested in the truth than he is in his share of the millions and millions of dollars of blood money that the Kerchers sued Knox and Sollecito for.

His antics and court-house steps speeches are famous. He stormed loudly out of court during Knox's heart felt and moving words of sympathy and compassion to the Kerchers to control the press's attention. It is what you do when you are losing.

It is time for the Kerchers take command of their reputation, . . . and fire this evil man.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-504083_162-20085386-0.html?assetTypeId=41&blogId=504083#ixzz1Tzf5Rjw3

 

[dgfred]

But the compensation is not a certainty, winning the case (justice for the parents) is the objective. He is doing a excellent job, with or without compensation coming into the equation.

 

[Allusonz]

What in the world are you talking about here?

Is this more scare tactics? Who has been threatened because of commenting on this case?

No this is happening in true life and in fact even Peggy Ganong has filed a police report. Along with Candace Dempsey, Steve Moore etc., etc., etc.,

"While fans say his blog poses alternative theories rarely discussed in the mainstream media, critics say his minimalist moderation results in an out-of-control comment section where posters "out" those who wish to remain anonymous, track their ISP addresses to reveal their physical locations, pose as people they are not -- someone posted as Kercher, the victim, once -- and make threatening posts about each other, as well as about the major players in the case, including Knox, her family, journalists, lawyers and prosecutors".



Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/arti...olice-investigation-1304148.php#ixzz1TzfDzNpr

ETA There are many more on both sides, but to ignore that this is indeed not happening is dangerous

 

[SMK]

But the compensation is not a certainty, winning the case (justice for the parents) is the objective. He is doing a excellent job, with or without compensation coming into the equation.

Since I do not know the man, I will certainly give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[SMK]

No this is happening in true life and in fact even Peggy Ganong has filed a police report. Along with Candace Dempsey, Steve Moore etc., etc., etc.,

"While fans say his blog poses alternative theories rarely discussed in the mainstream media, critics say his minimalist moderation results in an out-of-control comment section where posters "out" those who wish to remain anonymous, track their ISP addresses to reveal their physical locations, pose as people they are not -- someone posted as Kercher, the victim, once -- and make threatening posts about each other, as well as about the major players in the case, including Knox, her family, journalists, lawyers and prosecutors".



Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/arti...olice-investigation-1304148.php#ixzz1TzfDzNpr

Right, this one also speaks of the harassment of a moderator on Perugia Murder File.

I know Steve Moore and his wife were also threatened, so it is both sides, and obviously projecting onto Knox/Sollecito their own neuroses.

Amanda Knox case creates a police investigation at home
Woman says she was harassed online

West Seattle resident and professional translator Peggy Ganong, who moderates the discussion site Perugia Murder File under the online name "Skeptical Bystander," complained to police two months ago, saying she was being harassed for her involvement and for comments she has posted on sites that question Knox's innocence.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/arti...olice-investigation-1304148.php#ixzz1TziFDlXj

 

[otto]

Actually, it is more like 8 million at stake if the convictions are overturned. Do I think Francesco is chasing money? Answer: He is a lawyer. We all know how greedy they have become in the past decades; books have been written on the subject. Attorneys take a cut of 30-40 %, so yes, I do believe 3.2 million may be driving him..... Does this mean the Kercher's are bad people? NO. Just hurt, terribly hurt, and looking to their attorney for guidance.

Every profession has some people of poor character. There are sleezy doctors, dentists, teachers, journalists ... but to assume that all lawyers are sleezy or greedy is bizarre. There are books about unethical doctors, dentists, teachers and journalists. That does not mean that the entire profession is sleezy or greedy.

Furthermore, what is true in the US is not necessarily true in the rest of the world. I think it is very important to keep some perspective. The US is known for ambulance chasing and for everyone being lawsuit happy, so it's understandable that there might be a perception that everyone in the world thinks similarly ... but it is a mistake.

 

[otto]

The biggest problem with Maresca seems to be his trashing every defense theory/witness/expert at the trial... so he gets bashed as a result. It is only natural to 'not like' the one destroying your side of the case. :maddening:

People are upset with Meredith's lawyer because he requested that additional witnesses be heard regarding the DNA report. The defense and prosecution lawyers were not allowed to make the request, but the victim's lawyer was. That request was granted by Judge Hellman.

Because of this turn of events, there is a lot of backlash against the victim's lawyer. Some people seem upset that the judge is willing to seek out the truth by hearing all the information.

It would appear infantile for anyone to be stomping their feet because all relevant witnesses will be heard, and it's premature to completely trash Judge Hellman, therefore the victim's lawyer is being trashed.