Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #16

[otto]

What of Mignini's 20+ lawsuits and counting?

He's a prosecutor. The prosecutor's office has brought charges against people interfering with the investigation. That is vastly different from ambulance chasers.

 

[Nova]

If Knox and Sollecito's conviction is over-turned, they go off and live their lives, no money is paid to the victim's family.

If Knox and Sollecito's conviction is upheld, they go off to jail for the next 20+ years. Someone has suggested that they can become millionaires in jail, but why would they do that if all their earnings will go to the victim's family? Furthermore, how does someone become a millionaire in jail?

Either way, there is no compensation to the family, so to suggest that the lawyer for Meredith, the victim, has a financial motive to see the convictions upheld makes no sense.

People publish books for reasons other than to make money. If you are stuck in prison for a long time, a bestselling book means more visitors and a lot more correspondence from the public--even if your royalties are confiscated to pay a judgment. If you are not a citizen of the country where you are imprisoned, a bestselling book may help to garner support in your home country and, in turn, diplomatic influence that might shorten your sentence.

But a break in the boredom is the primary motivation, I would imagine.

 

[otto]

I don't know that Knox was "desperate." Is that what she said?

I think she was concerned. But few college kids that I know keep close track of the coming and going of their friends. And I've already shown how 3 or 4 seconds of recording connection may have seemed like 10, 12 or or more seconds to AK.

AK called MK a few times. It's only suspicious if you assume AK knew MK was dead; if you assume the opposite (benefit of the doubt to the defense), the calls are merely half-hearted attempts by someone who doesn't yet know how serious the situation really is.

You haven't shown anything. The cell phone records have shown a connection time of 3 and 4 seconds. Those are the facts.

Was Knox desperate? Of course not. She did nothing much at all after discovering the crime scene ... but she also claims that she was so desperate that she and Sollecito tried to break down Meredith's door. Read her email to see how desperate she claims she was.

 

[Nova]

But it wasn't longer. The phone records clearly indicate 3 and 4 seconds. Those are the facts, not what someone suggests on this forum.

It's really boring and disrespectful that you apparently don't bother to read the posts of the rest of us.

 

[otto]

People publish books for reasons other than to make money. If you are stuck in prison for a long time, a bestselling book means more visitors and a lot more correspondence from the public--even if your royalties are confiscated to pay a judgment. If you are not a citizen of the country where you are imprisoned, a bestselling book may help to garner support in your home country and, in turn, diplomatic influence that might shorten your sentence.

But a break in the boredom is the primary motivation, I would imagine.

Sure. Let her write a book for other reasons.

How is she going to make her millions while locked in prison for murder?

 

[Nova]

I was wondering that also nice to know how the families of murder victims are treated i guess. Personally i think the Kerchers have been far far more dignified than Amandas family.

Which is just another way to slam the families of the defendants, people who are just as innocent as the Kerchers.

The situation of the Knox/Mellas family and that of the Kerchers are completely different. There is no way to compare them. But all the families have behaved with more grace and dignity than a lot of internet posters.

 

[otto]

It's really boring and disrespectful that you apparently don't bother to read the posts of the rest of us.

I understand that, in your experience, when you make a phone call you believe there is a delay between when you hear the phone ring on your phone and when you think the phone rings on the other end. Okay. That's great. Still, the phone calls lasted 3 and 4 seconds each ... one call to the UK phone and one to the Italy phone. When Filomina phoned Knox, and Knox did not answer the phone, the call lasted about 85 seconds. That's a significant difference since Filomina knew that Knox was fine and no one knew where Meredith was or if she was fine and the calls that Knox made to Meredith were to determine if she was fine.

 

[SkewedView]

A slander charge is not a personal lawsuit.

It is everywhere in North America and Europe except in Italy, where it is a criminal charge, in violation of the EU's human rights charter. So you're right, but not in a good way.

 

[Nova]

In fairness what i saw during the C.A trial that happens in Florida also..

Btw im sure the money doesnt mean anything to the Kerchers. Its there daughter they want

NO ONE HERE EVER SAID OTHERWISE!


The issue discussed was Maresca's compensation. Nobody ever suggested the Kerchers were "in it" for the dough.

 

[otto]

Which is just another way to slam the families of the defendants, people who are just as innocent as the Kerchers.

The situation of the Knox/Mellas family and that of the Kerchers are completely different. There is no way to compare them. But all the families have behaved with more grace and dignity than a lot of internet posters.

The Knox parents are charged with slander because they have not behaved with grace and dignity, but have in fact bad mouthed Italian investigators. The Sollecito's are also facing charges for their attempts to interfere with the investigation.

The Kerchers are not facing any charges.

 

[otto]

NO ONE HERE EVER SAID OTHERWISE!


The issue discussed was Maresca's compensation. Nobody ever suggested the Kerchers were "in it" for the dough.

I thought the comments were about the system, not the lawyer. Is the victim's lawyer ensuring that the rights of the victim are observed, or is he in it for the money ... money that appears to be invisible.

 

[Nova]

It's shocking to read things like that, to see them reposted on a "victim friendly" site like this and to see no reaction to the offensive nature of the remarks.

The Kerchers have been extremely dignified. They have neither sought the media spotlight nor criticized anyone associated with the investigation. They have voiced their sincere disappointment in the fact that their daughter's murderers are being made into celebrities and that they have never received any word of condolence from one of the convicted murderers and her family.

That last part is such horse$hit. Like a note from AK is going to make things alright!

They believe AK murdered their daughter. I don't think Emily Post ever specified the format of a condolence note under such conditions.

Otherwise, I agree: the Kerchers have conducted themselves well.

But as I wrote above, their challenges have been completely different from the challenges faces by Knox and the Mellas. The Kerchers' daughter was never trashed by the tabloids (thankfully). We have no way of knowing how everyone would behave if their situations were reversed.

 

[miley]

Are the pro-guilties seriously complaining about criticism of PLE, even after the Court's own experts spent hours highlighting PLE's incompetence and perjury?

I can understand perhaps that you still believe the remaining evidence is sufficient to prove AK's and RS' guilt. But demanding that we pretend this investigation was anything but badly botched is absurd!

And what about Judge Hellmann telling Comodi (a prosecutor, for crying out loud) that she's proving herself to be less than honest -- how can anyone trivialize something that sounds very serious.

from Allusonz post:
Hellmann -'You've been shown to not be forthcoming, and honestly, and the documents newly submitted will not be allowed. It wouldn't change the outcome of their report anyway.'

 

[Nova]

Book deals like If I Did It ..., How to Get Away with Murder, Using a Public Relations Firm when Charged with Murder? What sort of book deals can we look forward to? I certainly hope you're not suggesting that Knox can write a book! Surely you've read her disorganized, convoluted short stories about rape and drugs and all that seedy stuff. Who wants to read that trash?

Who is going to be interested in a TV interview in 20 years when they get out? I don't think anyone will care.

It never ceases to amaze me how much time we spend here defending claims we never made in the first place.

Why are you assuming a TV interview wouldn't take place for 20 years? Are Italian prisoners not allowed visitors? Media interviews? If so, why not just say so.

As for writing a book, any publisher would make sure AK had help, credited or not.

 

[SkewedView]

As far as I recall, Knox wasn't allowed to give a jail interview. People that interview her can write a book and profit, as we saw from the politician that was "dreaming" about Knox, but she didn't benefit from that. The math is that no one is going to be allowed to make a movie about Knox in jail so she's not going to get rich by pretending to be a celebrity until she is released.

Meredith and her family have excellent representation in the courtroom ... as evidenced by the criticism from anti-verdict/anti-jury positioners.

Why would nobody be allowed to make a movie about her in prison? And who is it that would be able to control such a thing?

Criticism is not a sign of doing a good job. Your logic baffles me. Seriously, regardless of his skills, the man's behavior is an embarassment, and I personally feel that Meridith and her family shouldn't have their good names sullied by such antics.

 

[Nova]

So are you criticizing the lawyer or the system ... a system that allows a request that witnesses be heard?

Again. Please try reading a post before you respond.

In that post I was criticizing neither. I was agreeing with you and Skewed View that Maresca shouldn't be knocked for doing his job.

:sigh:

 

[miley]

The Knox parents are charged with slander because they have not behaved with grace and dignity, but have in fact bad mouthed Italian investigators. The Sollecito's are also facing charges for their attempts to interfere with the investigation.

The Kerchers are not facing any charges.

jumping in for a second -- the statement in bold is absolutely not true.. imagine charges being brought against someone for not showing enough "grace and dignity" (silly)

 

[Nova]

He's a prosecutor. The prosecutor's office has brought charges against people interfering with the investigation. That is vastly different from ambulance chasers.

Agreed, but why does it matter except that one might expect more discretion from a prosecutor? The point is that Italy has its problems with clogged court dockets just as the U.S. does.

I'm not one to claim the U.S. is always superior, but I do think we are right to make it difficult to sue witnesses for their testimony in court, and nearly impossible to sue public figures.

 

[Allusonz]

You haven't shown anything. The cell phone records have shown a connection time of 3 and 4 seconds. Those are the facts.

Was Knox desperate? Of course not. She did nothing much at all after discovering the crime scene ... but she also claims that she was so desperate that she and Sollecito tried to break down Meredith's door. Read her email to see how desperate she claims she was.

As has been previously shown, posted and cited in this forum the cell phone company that filomenia used (and probably many of our own cell phone companies) only registers to the connection when it is redirected to the voicemail and to the callers ear it would continue to ring. (This is quite common knowledge) AK was actually on longer than 3 seconds. This one tiny detail makes a huge difference. Ask your cell phone company

As per the testimony:

12:11:02 (3 seconds) the Vodafone number 348-4673711 belonging to Meredith (this is the one [i.e. SIM card] registered to Romanelli Filomena) is called and its answering service is activated

 

[For The Kids]

I don't know that Knox was "desperate." Is that what she said?

I think she was concerned. But few college kids that I know keep close track of the coming and going of their friends. And I've already shown how 3 or 4 seconds of recording connection may have seemed like 10, 12 or or more seconds to AK.

AK called MK a few times. It's only suspicious if you assume AK knew MK was dead; if you assume the opposite (benefit of the doubt to the defense), the calls are merely half-hearted attempts by someone who doesn't yet know how serious the situation really is.

In all honesty im not really sure that they WERE friends.

MOO