Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #16

[miley]

... or were her tears running in every direction as she flipped cartwheels in the lobby at the police station?

She mourned in that funny way that isn't the same as regular people.

I realize that all she wants to do now is get married and have babies, but what happened to those aspirations about writing and being a translator?

which is greater.. reasonable arguments or hate for Amanda

 

[otto]

Yes computer records are hard facts. In fact in the Motivational Report it is recognized that there is computer activity till 9:10. The cartoon which you can review the information there was accessed at 9:26 and would of ran to approximately 9:45. It is all in RS appeal document. I have not included the screensaver activity.

As well I have not included the analysis of the cell phone activity which can also be found in the appeal document

His cell phone was turned off at about 8:40, and there isn't anything regarding the computer activity beyond the the movie running out at 9:10. Whatever was in the appeal was rejected by the courts except the witness and two pieces of evidence. There must be a good reason that the remainder of the appeal was rejected.

 

[Allusonz]

didn't you just say she was raped some posts back?

Yes actually it was stated in the previous post that she was raped and now he is stating that it was a sexually staged. How odd

 

[Allusonz]

His cell phone was turned off at about 8:40, and there isn't anything regarding the computer activity beyond the the movie running out at 9:10. Whatever was in the appeal was rejected by the courts except the witness and two pieces of evidence. There must be a good reason that the remainder of the appeal was rejected.

This information has been cited and provided for you many times but one has to read the information and yes it is in English

 

[Allusonz]

Actually, they figured out it was Rudy because of his fingerprints - his were on file... the dna came later. I wonder how long it takes to process fingerprints?

on Frank's comments someone posted a link that led me to this video - it's been posted here a bunch - I wanted to post it again so I'm going to stick it here.
‪Edgardo Giobbi Proudly Showing Picture of Amanda Knox on "Wall of Shame'‬‏ - YouTube

This video interview never ceases to amaze me considering that they suspected her because

1. She sobbed at the crime scene
2. She did the La Mosa movement
3. Her and RS ate pizza at 3pm

shakes head

 

[Allusonz]

His cell phone was turned off at about 8:40, and there isn't anything regarding the computer activity beyond the the movie running out at 9:10. Whatever was in the appeal was rejected by the courts except the witness and two pieces of evidence. There must be a good reason that the remainder of the appeal was rejected.

Are you quite certain that both cell phones have been turned off? The information I have come across states only AK's was

 

[Allusonz]

This is so stupid.

You find luminol spots at a murderers house so full bare luminol footprints at a very bloody crime scene are not important? Yeah right.

It would have surely helped if the defense had proved them. They also could have easily figured out who that guy was that walked barefoot in the girls house if it wasn't RS. They didn't do these things for a very obvious reason.

What is so stupid is that luminol will react in probably every one of our homes. Even though a crime has does not need to be committed.

What is totally unacceptable is Stephanoni stating on the stand during her testimony that she never tested them with TMB and perjured herself in doing so

 

[Allusonz]

Two people that were completely ambivalent about the brutal murder of a roommate means little on its own. We have the likes of Scott Peterson and Casey Anthony to prove that murderers grieve differently.

How many times have we been over this indeed. The pair lied about their activities on the evening of the murder and the following morning. That resulted in investigators asking that they return to answer more questions.

I find it amusing that so many are quick to state that AK and RS lied so much but if you actually take the lies of ILE and add them up it makes them look like saints

 

[Allusonz]

If Filomina's DNA had been mixed with Meredith's blood in her bedroom, perhaps we would be looking at Filomina ... but it was Knox DNA mixed with Meredith's blood in Filomina's bedroom. It was someone that lived at the cottage that staged the break in. Filomina had one solid unwaivering alibi, but the pair lied about their activities, and those lies were revealed when police looked for independent corboration.

Knox and Sollecito should have told the truth about being awake a 6 AM instead of pretending they slept until 10. They should have told the truth about eating dinner prior to Knox's work schedule, but instead they claimed dinner was as late as 10 or 11 PM. Those lies are why they had to return to answer more questions.

This would be an awesome post save for one thing. The never compared the DNA of FR to the samples retrieved. I wonder why that was?

 

[Allusonz]

BBM: you are assuming the desired conclusion is fact at the beginning of your syllogism. That might make it difficult to reach a fair and logical conclusion.

The luminol spots at RS' apartment prove nothing about the luminol hits at the cottage. I merely asserted that ILE would have done anything to connect RS to the crime. If there were any way to assign the luminol hits at RS' apartment to blood from RS, AK or MK, it would have been leaked to the tabloids long ago.

As for the footprints that luminesced in the cottage, I thought they were attributed to AK. Were there luminol prints consistent with RS' feet as well?

And did any of these prints test positive for blood? I don't believe so. AK (or even RS) leaving footprints at AK's home doesn't really prove anything.

Has all the testimony been translated into English? If not, then I don't know whether there was testimony about luminol and the many substances to which it reacts. But these are well-known facts and not really something the defense has to "prove." Frankly, the burden would be on the prosecution to prove that luminol "hits" were in fact a particular person's blood.

Needs repeating!!

 

[Allusonz]

It is accepted when it has been confirmed in the lab - Luminol is a presumptive test only, not intended to be the final say, ever, because of its limitations and flaws.

Steffanoni neglected to do the confirming tests after a second type of presumptive test came up negative. She then lied about it, and unethically claimed that the luminol hits had to be blood.

Boy did she ever forget to do the confirming tests and then lied. Big no no...

 

[Allusonz]

State of mind during a murder is not "tabloid rubbish".

Knox and Sollecito readily offered lies during their first round of questioning. This is where they told the first round of lies about the time they had dinner, the time they woke up and their activities on the night of the murder.

Actually this is inaccurate as has been cited and pointed out by numerous individuals. The only time their stories changed was the night of the 5/6

 

[Allusonz]

So you're expecting investigators to publish, in English, an explanation about who was investigated and how that played out for all the witnesses ... and barring that, you think the pair must be innocent even though they were found guilty?

Why not? They sent 2 patrols of 8 ILE to collect a DVD from the experts without a search warrant..

 

[Allusonz]

Um, no. I merely pointed out that you stated speculation as if it were fact. Please stop twisting my words to play gotcha games.


ETA: I notice again that you avoid the meat of my response in favor of accusation.

Standard mode of operation from my perspective

 

[Allusonz]

According to someone well informed of the case ... The footprints did not test negative for blood. No confirmatory blood test was performed. Only presumptive tests were performed. Presumptive tests on their own cannot be used to either confirm or exclude the presence of blood. The footprints were accepted as being in blood by the court by the combination of a positive presumptive blood test (luminol) and the contextual evidence at the crime scene which served to overrule the negative presumptive blood test (TMB). The court concluded, rightly, that it was unreasonable to conclude that the footprints were in anything other than blood, the victim's blood.

Could I have a cite please

 

[Allusonz]

Oh, good! They finally found the transcripts of the interrogations and you have translated them into English!

Now, if we can just have that link...

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"State of mind" may (note: "may") be relevant, but the anecdotes employed to show the state of mind of AK and RS (though as Skewed View points out, it's really always AK) are rubbish.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Oh you are simply the cutest this did indeed make me laugh

 

[Allusonz]

It's funny, isn't it. Some people think the only evidence against Knox and Sollecito is two pieces of DNA. Imagine an 11 month long trial where six or seven lawyers sat around talking about nothing but the knife and the clasp. Seems like a rather unrealistic view of the case if you ask me.

Probably because so much of the so called evidence has proven not to exist

 

[Allusonz]

From my understanding Sollecito was very close to his degree before his arrest (my understanding he was just about to graduate). I don't know about AK's educational progress. Again what this has to do with innocence or guilt, I am at a loss, since guilty and innocent people get degrees and others do not while incarcerated.

RS was very close to graduating and since has. It was more difficult for AK as everything had to be done through the mail in order for her to complete hers

 

[Allusonz]

In terms of the RS' DNA "profile" on MK's bra clasp, I have a few questions. And if anyone with any expertise can explain it to my limited understanding I would appreciate it.

I am not a scientific person, and I won't pretend to be one on the internet. My question is excluding the contamination factor, is it a "full" profile? I don't really understand the discussion of alleles and stutter. My understanding is that it can rule out certain people like Amanda Knox and Casey Anthony. However, is there a European DNA profile that would exclude most people that were born and perhaps have multiple generations of ancestors from North America compared to someone that was European? Is it something like the old school days of pre-1990's when the attacker had O+ it didn't really mean too much since approximately 1 in 4 to 1 in 2 had that blood type. However, if it was AB- or B- it was very incriminating since that was closer to a 1 in a 100 chance.

Also with the way Stefanoni did the test with the machine set at testing limits the machine was not designed to perform is it akin to one of those music graphs that show the treble, bass, etc. that may be able to assign a piece of music is heavy metal or rule out bossa nova, but it can't ascertain between Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, or Anthrax?

If this makes no sense I appologize, I am just trying to understand what it means as an extremely ignorant layman.

No it is not a full profile. The other problem is that there are other profiles that Stephanoni did not disclose of which at least one is male. Here is the English part which I believe you will find to be very interesting indeed

"It follows from this that several minor contributors of male sex are present in the DNA extracted from Exhibit 165B, confirming what was already observed in the electropherogram of the autosomic STRs and which was not revealed by the Technical Consultant.

Thus we agree with Dr. Stefanoni’s assertion regarding “the extrapolation of a genetic profile deriving from a mixture of biological substances belonging to at least two individuals, at least one of male sex” but we cannot accept the conclusion stating that “the genetic profile is compatible with the hypothesis of a mixture of biological substances (presumably flaking cells) belonging” only ”to Raffaele Sollecito and Meredith Susanna Cara Kercher“.

We find that the Technical Consultant arrived at this conclusion restricted to two individuals (Meredith Kercher and Raffaele Sollecito) following an incorrect interpretation of the electropherograms of the autosomic STRs, as a result of disregarding the recommendations of the ISFG concerning the correct interpretation of mixtures (“Recommendation 6: If the crime profile is a major/minor mixture, where minor alleles are the same size (height or area) as stutter of major alleles, then the stutters and minor alleles are indistinguishable. Under these circumstances, alleles in stutter position that do not support H_p [the prosecution's hypothesis] should be included in the assessment”) and point 7 of the aforementioned ISFG recommendations (Point no. 7: Drop-out: “The consideration on drop-out is analogous to that on stutter“). Had these recommendations been followed, they would have allowed one to reach the conclusion that several minor contributors were present in the trace besides the victim (major contributor)."

http://knoxdnareport.wordpress.com/...egarding-item-165b/capillary-electrophoresis/

 

[otto]

Cite please

Meredith's DNA was found on a knife at Sollecito's apartment.