Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #17

[dgfred]

I don't belieeve that this information was quite correct. The initial problem was that no one could hear the intrepreter or AK. Many times there were objections to questions and then she was informed to answer. It was not that she did not want to answer.

At one point (@7:20) in part 2 doesn't AK say that Mignini pressured her to name Patrick and then Patrick's lawyer reminds her that Mignini wasn't even there yet? Doesn't she say no he wasn't there but the police pressured her and suggested a 'path of thought' to her? So she then claims she said to police: "OK, it was Patrick".

She is evasive and contradictory IMO. Her biggest problem seems to me to be BOTH detailed explanations for contradictory conditions/events while at the SAME time acts/exhibits/fakes 'not remembering' relevant conditions/events. :waitasec:

Ex:
What time did you and RS eat supper?
Why Meredith's door locked? Were you worried or not?
Why didn't you go to Gubbio?
Why did you accuse Patrick?

 

[dgfred]

RG never had money and is well known that his landlady was going to evict him unless he provided proof that he was employed

No they could not of been unless they could be in 2 places at once

Why would either AK or RS need the money? AK had 4k in her account and another 10k in the US if needed

Nothing about her being a prankster came up as at trial

I believe from the evidence shown that there was not a staging

Perhaps he could have handed out flyers too :innocent: .

There is/was evidence presented that both AK and RS were at the crime scene.

IIRC RS was low on his acct/allowance and AK had not been paid yet... that's why didn't have rent money yet.

Any previous prank was not needed as evidence in this case to convict.

The judges/jurors went with the evidence/proof that there WAS a staging. I believe from the evidence I've seen that there was also.

 

[dgfred]

Pretty standard that rents are collected and paid at the beginning of the month. He also knew the boys downstairs which also enabled him to have additional insight into when rents were due

'Insight into when rents were due' :waitasec: ... no more so than any other person in town.

-So he knew rent was due at the beginning of the month.
-He decides to break into a cottage with nobody home to get 'their' rent money. Why would he do that???
-He is seen breaking in, so he murders the girl that sees him.

That argument doesn't seem logical to me.

:crazy:

 

[dgfred]

It doesn't seem right IMO to post that another's information/post is not correct and give the opposite view regarding the information/post as being fact without some type of backup of links/cites/evidence.
At least 'in my opinion' or 'I disagree' with the original information/post/view should be included in the post. That makes for a better debate IMO. Am I off base with this view?

Can you clear this up a little for me Salem? What is the procedure/remedy when this continues to happen?

 

[SMK]

I posted a link to a site/article naming the lawyer and the circumstances of the case against him. He first came to the attention of law enforcement during the Meredith murder case because his number was on AK's phone as being called both before and after the murder.

Do you have anything contradicting this link? Could you link us to it?

We shall wait to see what Salem says: In the meantime..

p. 186 of Nina Burleigh's "The Fatal Gift of Beauty" speaks of Knox's male friend - whom she disliked as he had "tried to have her" - Shaky. I believe Shaky was involved with drugs and may have been arrested. But he never really figured into the Kercher investigation, nor did Amanda's connection to him play any part.

When one conducts a Google search about Knox having called a drug dealer before and after the murder, or drug dealer's number on Amanda Knox cell phone, nothing comes up but Rudy Guede, a local drug dealer.....


where is this link you have posted, with the criminal's name, and the representing attorney, and the proof of connection with Knox, cannot find it in all these posts:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

 

[emyr]

There are no bars in the lawyer climbing pics.
The link earlier said the owner was planning to put bars in after 2 break in a good while after the murder.
There hasnt been any links or pics provided showing bars on Filomen'a window.

*The only reason bars were mentioned anyway was as an excuse for there being no pics of the lawyer actually making it thru the window. Why not complete the process?

I still think it's because there are bars on the window. I think the bars are behind the exterior shutters which are closed.
imo

 

[dgfred]

Fair enough emyr, but without a pic it is only an opinion.

 

[SMK]

What about mine, freeeddd??:razz:

 

[dgfred]

Here Sonata, This is the page to the link about the cocaine dealer on AK's phone. Look almost all the way down, posted by Catnip originally.

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=310&hilit=cocaine+dealer&start=2250

Hey SMK,

This is the link to the page with the information on it. Follow the directions given to Sonata. It was in two Jan 14, 2011 articles in Giornale dell' Umbria.

The first person (35 yrs old) was found guilty in a fast track trial- received 2 yrs 8 months. The other two (one found in AK's phone which had been called in the days before and the days after the murder) are wanting the full trials. The one listed on AK's phone is represented by either Maria Laura Antonni or Angelo Frioni- the article doesn't say which lawyer is the one. Hope that helps.

 

[dgfred]

I still think it's because there are bars on the window. I think the bars are behind the exterior shutters which are closed.
imo

Hey emyr,
Another thing to think about is how was the lawyer going to climb thru the window (as Allusonz posted) and complete the climbing demonstration... if he was planning to go all the way into the room, bars would have prevented that.
Doesn't seem like it could be or would be both ways. Why the demonstration at all if he wasn't even trying to go thru the window... just show reaching it?

 

[SMK]

Hey SMK,

This is the link to the page with the information on it. Follow the directions given to Sonata. It was in two Jan 14, 2011 articles in Giornale dell' Umbria.

The first person (35 yrs old) was found guilty in a fast track trial- received 2 yrs 8 months. The other two (one found in AK's phone which had been called in the days before and the days after the murder) are wanting the full trials. The one listed on AK's phone is represented by either Maria Laura Antonni or Angelo Frioni- the article doesn't say which lawyer is the one. Hope that helps.

Thanks. :innocent:Yes, can see that it might show Knox and Sollecito had dealings with drug dealers. I suppose one could say that this might make them prone to acting out. But these are not connected with the murder in any way, so that their existence only bolsters the idea that AK and RS dealt with these persons to buy drugs. :waitasec:

I think if Guede were not involved, and Knox did not live at the cottage, and Sollecito did not visit, I could believe that AK and RS had it out with MK. It is not so much that any of us finds the idea of Knox and Sollecito being involved as too shocking to believe, as much as the dubious evidence and exaggerations which took place in the investigation.

Someone posted this link on PMF today - could this be the outcome with Knox and Sollecito ( hope they do better than this ):waitasec:

http://news.yahoo.com/arkansas-judge-accepts-plea-deal-frees-memphis-3-165719493.html

 

[dgfred]

More important to me is that AK had called him both in the days before the murder and the days after... that suggest more relevance in what happened to me SMK.

 

[SMK]

More important to me is that AK had called him both in the days before the murder and the days after... that suggest more relevance in what happened to me SMK.

In terms of her buying/using drugs, or something else?:waitasec:

 

[dgfred]

In terms of her buying/using drugs, or something else?:waitasec:

The events on the day/night of the murder.

 

[Sonata]

I think what fred means (correct me if I'm wrong fred) is that AK may have needed the money for a big drug deal or to pay off a drug debt. Hence the calling a dealer before and after the murder/theft.

 

[dgfred]

That is one part. Others are the effect on her mind/actions and RG's involvement/meeting.

 

[SMK]

I think what fred means (correct me if I'm wrong fred) is that AK may have needed the money for a big drug deal or to pay off a drug debt. Hence the calling a dealer before and after the murder/theft.

....guess i did not think in those terms, thanks...ugh

 

[SMK]

That is one part. Others are the effect on her mind/actions and RG's involvement/meeting.

OK. Makes sense, and yet it has not been a part of either trial, I wonder why not...:waitasec:

 

[dgfred]

I think what fred means (correct me if I'm wrong fred) is that AK may have needed the money for a big drug deal or to pay off a drug debt. Hence the calling a dealer before and after the murder/theft.

I'm not sure that like 300$ is enough for a 'big' drug deal. I'm thinking maybe a deal, and a call after the murder for a warning of what might come.

 

[dgfred]

OK. Makes sense, and yet it has not been a part of either trial, I wonder why not...:waitasec:

But it wasn't really relevant to what actually happened, and it wasn't even needed to convict... so not THAT important in the trial.