Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #18

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  • #61
Someone has really messed with that image. First of all, we are to assume that the video was taken with all the lights in the entire cottage turned off. Second, one needs only look at the image in photoshop to see how much the image has been altered. The light/dark balance is pushed so far to the dark end of the spectrum that adding lightness to the image results in blue patches all over white shutters. Surely it isn't necessary to manipulate cottage images to distort the truth.

Wrong on both counts, Otto. That pic is simply a screen capture of the actual police video and the lights in the house are on. The entire video is available at the IIP members forum. Here is a capture showing the lighted interior as well as the unlighted exterior, taken just before the other one I posted.
 

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  • #62
Wrong on both counts, Otto. That pic is simply a screen capture of the actual police video and the lights in the house are on. The entire video is available at the IIP members forum. Here is a capture showing the lighted interior as well as the unlighted exterior, taken just before the other one I posted.

If the lights are on, why is the inside of the room pitch black and why is the image color completely distorted when adjusting the image levels, brightness, contrast?
 
  • #63
If the lights are on, why is the inside of the room pitch black and why is the image color completely distorted when adjusting the image levels, brightness, contrast?

It's not a photo, Otto. It's a screen capture of a video.

The inside of the room is lighted. It's simply dark outside. I have split that huge 2 November video into 27 clips. Again, the whole thing is available.
 
  • #64
Meredith trial, the prosecution and the experts at loggerheads
Perugia 09/05/2011
Yes and 'open with a request by the prosecutor Manuela convenience of being able to produce documents related to the' negative control 'held by police
http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/news.php?newsid=156111

Italian prosecutors fight to keep American behind bars

http://disputatio.com/articles/020-2.pdf

Knox trial resumes in Italy, enters final stretch

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44396534/ns/world_news-europe/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

VIDEO of Amanda in court this morning @ msnbc


and video @ ABC LONDON featuring Kercher's sister here:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/amanda-knox-murder-trial-prosecution-fights-back-appeal-14449247



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image CBS News:
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/09/05/amanda_knox_AP11090508014_620x350.JPG
 
  • #65
Run-down of court this am and what will take place after lunch recess:

HOURS 13:35 - We have just concluded the examination of the experts of the Assize Court of Appeal in Perugia to examine the work of forensic traces of DNA on the center of the process to Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox for 'Murder of Meredith Kercher. The hearing, and 'has now been suspended. Will resume 'in the afternoon with the examination of the advisers of the parties always on DNA.
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HOURS 13:20 - In the mixed traces of DNA found on the hook of the bra worn by Meredith Kercher may 'be also identified the genetic profile of an expert in the Assize Court of Appeal of Perugia. There are also''I''explained Professor Carla Vecchiotti responding to a question of defending Raffaele Sollecito. Nine loci correspond to''me''said the expert yet. Experts have argued that the trace on the hook, and 'made from DNA of more' subjects. One and '''definitely''- and' explained - that of the student. For others - according to experts - can be reconstructed the genetic profiles of more 'people. How urge but also - and 'emerged today - the same professor Vecchiotti.
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HOURS 12:15 - The prosecutor objected Manuela comfortable classroom, bringing also records and documentation, the considerations that in the non-partisan experts, report on the findings of the DNA found in Meredith Kercher case, had ruled out the presence of so-called "negative controls" swabs taken to check the presence of traces of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito on the alleged murder weapon and the fragment of the hook of the bra of the victim. These controls are provided by the scientific international protocol that according to the experts the prosecution would not have followed to the letter in the first trial.
The prosecutor has denied this and no copy of the reports presented during the preliminary hearing judge, insisting that the same defenses were analyzed and questioned Dr. Stefanoni - master of the prosecution - on these issues. "Dr. Stefanoni - Handy said the prosecutor - has made available the following documents to the hook of the bra and she also insisted that the discs also have procedures for the murder weapon. They had not been attached at first, is not required because the defenses and a custom among experts. We now ask the court to acquire this material that goes to show how they have followed all standard procedures in the analysis of DNA. "
The defense of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were opposed to the acquisition documents dating back over 3 years ago. For the lawyer Della Vedova - Amanda Knox's legal - it is a demonstration of how the charge has never fully made the documents available to the defense of the process. The lawyer Giulia Bongiorno said however that are just non-partisan analysis of the experts who based their investigation on the file of Appeals for the process, where this documentation was not present, as can be seen today in the classroom with three years of delay
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HOURS 12:04 - As for the knife held by the prosecution on the murder weapon and forensic science which has isolated the DNA of Meredith and Knox on the blade on the handle, the expert Carla Vecchiotti, responding to a question of 'lawyer Maresca, reported as "present on the blade profile, with the interpretation of such peaks' and how' was made ​​by science, that 'under the threshold, can' belong to Meredith Kercher," but "the levels considered are not to be trusted. " According to the expert, also "lacks the repeatability 'because of' that 'and' an essential element"
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PERUGIA - Once again, the process for Meredith, you are consuming in the classroom on a clash between the experts superpartes required by the Court of Appeal and the prosecution of Mignini and am comfortable. For the umpteenth time discussing the least amount of DNA for precise identification of the key findings as the knife - the alleged murder weapon - and the hook of the bra of the victim Meredith Kercher.
Vecchiotti The expert confirmed that the genetic profiles examined in the first instance, which eventually led to the conviction of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, are not scientifically verifiable due to the paucity of identified DNA.
When asked the lawyer Maresca - Kercher family lawyer - if "we can not exclude the presence of a genetic profile of Meredith on the knife," the expert stressed that Vecchiotti for the hypothesis of compatibility is scientific value because of the low amount of DNA found, and this does not repeat the analysis, basic procedure to determine final identification.
It opened with a request by the prosecutor Manuela convenience of being able to produce documents related to the 'negative control' conducted by the forensic kits used to analyze traces of DNA dellla, the hearing of the appeal process to Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox for the murder of Meredith Kercher. Request to which the defenses of both defendants objected.
In particular, the lawyer Giulia Bongiorno, Sollecito's defense, and it 'as opposed supporting "certain and indisputable, and the data' in the file the appeal that these elements do not exist." The Court and 'paid then decide later.
The hearing is now continuing with the legal questions of civil Kercher family, Francesco Maresca, the lawyer, the experts and Carla Vecchiotti Stefano Conti, University 'La Sapienza of Rome, appointed by the Court of Assizes of Appeal Perugia to perform new genetic findings in the process. At the center of expertise in particular, the knife held by the prosecution the murder weapon and the victim's bra clasp.

http://www.umbrialeft.it/notizie/processo-meredith-si-ritorna-aula-processo-dappello
 
  • #66
Edging Toward Verdict

At Monday's hearing, a lawyer for victim Meredith Kercher's family questioned the new DNA experts' conclusions, triggering heated exchanges.

Questioned about the analysis of Kercher's bra clasp believed in the original trial to contain Sollecito's DNA, one of the independent experts, Laura Vecchiotti said she found it contained too many traces to be reliable.

Vecchiotti said that apart from the victim's DNA, she had found small traces of at least 17 other people, including Sollecito and herself - presumably as a result of her being the one who carried out the most recent tests.

"I didn't mention them in my report because there are too many," she said.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...eal-edges-towards-verdict-20110905-1jtxz.html

and comments from JREF:

So, now that they're offering another set of control documents, I guess we know that the set that they tried to give Hellmann last time (the illegible ones, with the wrong code numbers) were not what the prosecution held them out to be. That won't escape Hellmann's notice.
First, Stef “ inadvertently” withholds crucial info from the court.

Then, she resists handing over data to the independent investigators, delaying the appeal trial.

Then, after threatening to sue C&V, Stef claims she filed control data with the court. So what if Hellman can't find it, she has a copy in hand, which just happens to have incorrect and blurry file numbers.

And now, MIRACULOUSLY, she FINDS the control data and Comodi has the gall to ask for an additional delay. Heck, all C&V had to do was ask for the data. Not the prosecution's problem if C&V didn’t ask (though we KNOW they did).

If this isn’t contempt of court, I don’t know what is. Throw them in jail, not into the Tiber.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=215085&page=96
 
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Where is all the news? I can't hardly find anything.
 
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Another piece:

Italian police defend their Knox murder probe

Carla Vecchiotti, one expert questioned Monday over the extraction of DNA profiles from the mixed trace on the bra clasp, said the data was so mixed that a very high number of genetic profiles could be extracted, depending how one combined the data.

"I could find yours, too," Vecchiotti told the presiding judge. "I'm there, too," she said, adding that some data was compatible with her own DNA. She said Kercher's profile was the only certain one.

The findings have boosted the defendants' efforts to be cleared and gain freedom after almost four years in prison.

Giulia Bongiorno, a lawyer for Sollecito, said DNA can be "formidable evidence" but not with a mixed, confusing trace.

"Poorly collected DNA can lead to an error of justice," she told reporters during a break in the proceedings.
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/italian-police-defend-their-1158294.html
 
  • #71
Perugia, September 5 - (Adnkronos) - The forensic biologist Patrizia Stefanoni questioned by the prosecutor Manuela Comfortable is defending the work of the same under scientific investigation. The doctor is refuting point by point the arguments in the skill of the expert Stefano Conti and Carla Vecchiotti genuinita'dei supporting the results that had come.

The expert claimed that "the contamination e'qualcosa abstract", and that in the scientific laboratories of all profiles of the operators are filed. The doctor also explained that normally is not specified in the acts that operators use gloves and clean the table after every job. The doctor also pointed out that there are no universally recognized survey protocols.

http://www.libero-news.it/news/8150...ologa-scientifica-difende-lavoro-polizia.html
 
  • #72
and this Google translation says the Italian judicial system has "played with the lives of 2 young boys" (knox being one of the boys):floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

If the court will vindicate the second inspection this will be a blow to our judicial system, because everything else is likely to assume the character of evidence: evidence that has imprisoned for four years, two possibly innocent. If Amanda and Raffaele will be cleared, our justice will be seen as a machine steamroller used lightly and has played with the lives of two boys. For its part, Knox said: "I have faith in Italian justice. Counting on this process because I want to leave the nightmare of Appeals. "
http://disputatio.com/articles/020-2.pdf
 
  • #73
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Meredith resumed the appeal process. 'Track knife with DNA Mez unreliable'

Perugia - (Adnkronos) - According to the expert of the court Vecchiotti - which drafted the report which casts doubt on the results of scientific - to analyze the amount of DNA present on the track of the knife in which agents had isolated the profile of the victim , was "a measured amount of DNA that no one on earth would you rate"
http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Region...o-con-Dna-Mez-inattendibile_312418689039.html
 
  • #74
I see it, but I want to know what the result is. I guess we're back in court tomorrow?
 
  • #75
I see it, but I want to know what the result is. I guess we're back in court tomorrow?
Yes, forensics next 2 days, then Sollecito and Knox closings, then break, rebuttal, and verdict end of Sep.
Some feel the defense is winning; others are saying the experts are being exposed as know-nothing academics, who are taking a beating at the hands of the empirical expertise of the polizia and prosecution....:waitasec:wish i knew which was the view that Hellman is holding...
 
  • #76
I don't really think anyone else's opinions matter. This case is very polarized. I just want to know exactly what was said today in court.
 
  • #77
Now this is just absurd.

A prosecutor also told the court she had retrieved the original raw data from the DNA work carried out on the bra clasp and a knife believed to be the murder weapon that had been requested by lawyers for the defence.

"We found them in a garage," she told the court, adding: "We believe they are admissible to the court."

Defence lawyers rejected the findings as coming "too late" and asked the judge to exclude them from the trial.

The judge, Claudio Pratillo Hellmann, was still to make a decision.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...eal-edges-towards-verdict-20110905-1jtxz.html

Not withstanding the obvious, these can't be the same papers waved by the prosecution last month. So they were certainly lying a month ago. What garage is this? Stephanoni's home? This is so unprofessional....

I thought Hellman already said that the papers didn't matter because contamination could have happened outside the lab?
 
  • #78
I don't understand the significance of these statements:

Stefanoni, the forensic police officer, countered some of the points made in the review, saying that DNA analyses were carried out from behind a glass wall to avoid the risk of contamination. She also said some of the standard protocols cited by the experts were published after she finished her report in May 2008.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/05/amanda-knox-italian-police_n_949234.html

I fail to see how a glass wall can deter machine contimination. I fail to see how it can help if the evidence was contaminated before reaching the lab.

Additionally, I do not see how her completing her work before a cited report was published has anything to do with it. That's kind of like saying that if she made a mistake, it ws because she didn't know the proper protocols. Ok, but you still made the mistakes. :waitasec: For example, say you killed someone while drinking and driving, but you say that at the time, no laws procluded you from drinking and driving, though they now exist. Okay....but you still killed someone in your car while driving it....

Of course she could not follow protocols that she allegedly knew nothing about; however, that doesn't negate whether the nonimplementation of those protocols left the evidence at risk of contimination. That's just like telling a person who has just contracted HIV from you that you didn't know the protocol of wearing condoms at the time.
 
  • #79
MK's sister asked for this in her letter, and I want it, too:

"We ask that the Court of Appeal assess every single (piece) of evidence, both scientific and circumstantial, as well as any witnesses who have taken the stand independently of any other information or media," she wrote.

But what witnesses came forward with significant information that wasn't brought forth by the media?

This, however, I respectfully disagree with:

Meredith has been forgotten because she is no longer with us, yet this should be about her and what really happened on that tragic evening," Stephanie Kercher lamented in the letter.

MK has not been forgotten. But this appeal is not about her or what happened that night. It's about whether the first court got the conviction right.
 
  • #80
I don't really think anyone else's opinions matter. This case is very polarized. I just want to know exactly what was said today in court.
Well, i did try to post the rundown of the hours....I wish Frank Sfarzo was in court and could give a rundown...
 
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