Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #18

[Fulcanelli]

Amazing how manipulated people can be, especially when they are innocent! Thanks for the link.

IMO, the Perugia police already admitted to feeding Amanda the information about Patrick. They said something like "at first she lied, then she told us facts we knew to be true". The problem is that EVERYTHING they "knew to be true" was, in fact, NOT true- except that Meredith was murdered. Once she collected her thoughts, she retracted it, but it was too late.... the police had already boasted to the press and there was no way to turn back.

Where and when did this 'admission' (that the police fed Amanda information about Patrick) take place? Not in any court room I'm aware of. And even Amanda admitted, in her testimony on the stand, that they did not.

They knew what she told them to be essentially true because a) it fit the evidence that they had and b) how Amanda spoke and acted when she told them.

And it was in fact essentially true. All Amanda had done was substitute Patrick Lumumba for Rudy Guede and play down her own role (staying in the kitchen) during the attack.

The police is not the investigating judge by the way. Ay that point, the case was taken over by the investigating judge and he is not responsible or bound by what the police may say to the press.

 

[Ratunta]

Meredith's blood containing Knox's DNA was found In Filomena's room. It was heard in the trial and is in the Massei Report.

Ohh interesting, I've read that toilet paper report and don't recall that being mentioned. Would you be a star and give me the page number where the claim that Meredith's blood was found in Filomena's room appears? Thanks in advance.

I mean, if you are referring to the information in pages 193 - 194 regarding the testing done, you might want to pay attention to the words in CAPITAL LETTERS BELOW

"She pointed out that on the basis of this test, SHE COULD NOT SAY WITH CERTAINTY THAT BLOOD WAS PRESENT... The sample called L1 in the inspection report, taken in Romanelli`s room, corresponded to the genetic profile of the victim; the sample called L2, also from Romanelli`s room, yielded a mixed genetic profile of the victim and Knox".

Could you point me to the bit where that is contradicted in the report and she says the sample was blood?

 

[Fulcanelli]

It causes a violent explosive reaction which coats all surrounding surfaces?

That's sure what it looks like from that very bloody bathroom picture!

It doesn't need to explode to cover surfaces, that's the nature of water..it 'flows'. You have two people that are bloody using that little bathroom...using the sink, the bidet and probably the shower...things are going to get pretty wet.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Watching the gate to what end exactly?

To see if Meredith arrived home (as well as anyone else that may gave potentially interfered, such as Filomena). Also perhaps, to see if Rudy was coming that way. Both common approaches to the cottage could be watched from that position.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Ohh interesting, I've read that toilet paper report and don't recall that being mentioned. Would you be a star and give me the page number where the claim that Meredith's blood was found in Filomena's room appears? Thanks in advance.

I'm not a star I'm afraid. You have the report, use the search function or read the sections regarding Filomena's room. It's not as though the blood with Amanda's DNA isn't well documented.

Perhaps if you read it better and with some care, it may not read like 'toilet paper'.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Could you point me to the bit where that is contradicted in the report and she says the sample was blood?

The trial concluded it was blood. As you'll see when you read the rest.

 

[Ratunta]

To see if Meredith arrived home (as well as anyone else that may gave potentially interfered, such as Filomena). Also perhaps, to see if Rudy was coming that way. Both common approaches to the cottage could be watched from that position.

But Meredith arrived home shortly after 9pm at the latest. They would have missed her. Why would they be waiting for her to come home anyway? And why would they be watching out for Rudy? How would they have known he was going to be coming by?

And what would Filomena potentially have interfered with?

I've put up with some pretty obtuse arguments in this case over the past 4 years, but these are taking the proverbial biscuit.

 

[ChasingMoxie]

Just a quick FYI on the forum buttons: you can quote multiple posts at a time using the "+ button at the bottom of each post that you want to respond to, and then hitting the "quote" button for the final post that you would like to respond to, and all of them will appear in the text box separately quoted for your reply.

 

[Ratunta]

The trial concluded it was blood. As you'll see when you read the rest.

Yeah, I saw their erroneous and scientifically disprovable conclusions. I'm glad you take them at face value. If the report told you the world was flat, would you quote that from it too?

 

[Fulcanelli]

Another article by another typical Knox supporter, they're coming thick and fast now:


Seeking True Justice for Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, Not Personal Gain for the Prosecutors
by Jleznek September 12, 2011

http://www.groundreport.com/Business/Seeking-True-Justice-for-Amanda-Knox-and-Raffaele-/2941305

 

[Fulcanelli]

But Meredith arrived home shortly after 9pm at the latest. They would have missed her. Why would they be waiting for her to come home anyway? And why would they be watching out for Rudy? How would they have known he was going to be coming by?

And what would Filomena potentially have interfered with?

I've put up with some pretty obtuse arguments in this case over the past 4 years, but these are taking the proverbial biscuit.

Yes, but Knox and Sollecito couldn't know that. And because of the shutters, it's virtually impossible to tell from the outside if anyone was home.

As for Rudy, they could have bumped into him in town earlier that day and arranged to meet up later. The basketball court was also a known hangout of his.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Yeah, I saw their erroneous and scientifically disprovable conclusions. I'm glad you take them at face value. If the report told you the world was flat, would you quote that from it too?

I've yet to see the science disprove them.

 

[Ratunta]

Yes, but Knox and Sollecito couldn't know that. And because of the shutters, it's virtually impossible to tell from the outside if anyone was home.

As for Rudy, they could have bumped into him in town earlier that day and arranged to meet up later. The basketball court was also a known hangout of his.

Oh right, what time do you think they arranged to meet him? Amanda didn't know she was going to be off work earlier in the day, and Raf thought he was running an errand for someone. Can you give me a time that would have been convenient for them all that fits in with the known facts of the case?

Secondly, what do you think the reason for their meeting with Rudy would have been?

 

[trillian]

Where and when did this 'admission' (that the police fed Amanda information about Patrick) take place? Not in any court room I'm aware of. And even Amanda admitted, in her testimony on the stand, that they did not.

Edgardo Giobbi made that statement just after the arrests were made. He is really confident that he could ascertain guilt just by her behavior alone.
check him out here: [video=youtube;sWkZPWRS3N0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWkZPWRS3N0[/video]

They knew what she told them to be essentially true because a) it fit the evidence that they had and b) how Amanda spoke and acted when she told them.

What "evidence" matched what she told them? What evidence did they have when they arrested her? Please be specific.

And it was in fact essentially true. All Amanda had done was substitute Patrick Lumumba for Rudy Guede and play down her own role (staying in the kitchen) during the attack.

Actually, according to the conviction, NONE of it was true. Amanda in the kitchen? Patrick in the cottage? The meeting following the text? No, no, and no. Go back and read the early news stories and you will find that all the "incriminating" leaks from the police ended up completely bogus.

The reason she names Patrick and not Rudy was because no one had any clue it was Rudy at the time. But they were looking for a black man, and they did have a "see you later" text to a black man from a roommate. Looks like something could possibly be going on right? But they were wrong!

 

[Ratunta]

I've yet to see the science disprove them.

You can't have been looking very hard. Limiting yourself to two sources of information on the case no doubt, and I bet I know what those sources are...

 

[Chris_Halkides]

The trial concluded it was blood. As you'll see when you read the rest.

No one did a confirmatory blood test. Therefore if Massei concluded it was blood, his report is erroneous in this regard. We have been through this before.

 

[Allusonz]

It causes a violent explosive reaction which coats all surrounding surfaces?

That's sure what it looks like from that very bloody bathroom picture!

:welcome:


gives you a special designer straight jacket as well...truly comes in handy especially for explosive reactions

 

[Allusonz]

I doubt the police would be taking pictures of crime scene tests that had expired and including them in the case file, do you? That is not the purpose of the crime scene photographer. I think therefore we can conclude that the photo was taken during the test during its reaction with blood.

Again...someone else who was never at the trial declaring what wasn't produced. And I'll repeat, produced or not, it would have been in the case file, all of which would have been scrutinised by the court. What the prosecution and the defence chooses to specifically present for discussion is optional on their part and it doesn't then immediately follow that anything they choose not to raise for debate is invalid, doesn't exist or is irrelevant.

Indeed, Judge Massei included several elements in his report as important elements, that were not discussed in open court. In fact, I can still recall the Knox family crying foul about that (they seemed to be under the mistaken belief that only those things discussed can be used in the judgement...not so).

Is it being suggested that someone other than PLE was in the cottage snapping pictures? That would then mean this crime scene was not secure which is a breach of protocol

 

[Allusonz]

An article from a typical Amanda Knox supporter:

AMANDA KNOX: “PRISONER OF WAR!”
by DENVER September 13, 2011

http://www.groundreport.com/World/AMANDA-KNOX-PRISONER-OF-WAR/2941313

Enjoy

I did !!!

 

[Allusonz]

I tend to go with Massei's times, rather then Micheli's.

Why is their hanging out at the Piazza unbelievable? It's the perfect pace to sit and observe the (gate to) cottage without being seen by someone approaching it.

I would love to know how Curatolo was able to identify them in their costumes. Maybe there is additional information that was testified to regarding his identification of them in costume that I missed that convinced Massei?