Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #21

[darnudes]

Seriously though, "Knowing" is kinda like "see you later."

Someone can say to me, "you know that guy who always comes and looks in the green bin on 5th street?" and I'll say, "Yeah, I know him!"

That is NOT the same as me saying, "I know my mom, and she wouldn't say that."

I can also say i "know" my co-workers. I have worked with them 6 months now. NOT ONE of them has been to my house and I haven't been to theirs. We do not hang out, but if the police asked me if I know them, I'd say "yeah, I know so-in-so." I guess the confusion is maybe it ought to be "know of" so-in-so. Or am "aware of" so-in-so.

But, this is where I think the debate does go awry, because we should all "know" what people mean when they say "know" somebody. This debate is getting like when Clinton said, "Depends on what the definition of is is."

This is exactly my point the question is not if she knew him or not, she did end of story by her own admission, now whether she knew him well enough to do a drug deal/robbery or let him into the house that is another story and one we would have to hear from Amanda herself and being a betting person my guess is we will not hear anything from her on this.

 

[gitana1]

I am sorry but I disagree, seeing a bloody dead body will throw you into shock, and I have also seen many victim's of crimes and noone does cartwheels....never, I know everyone reacts different, some friend and families fall to the ground and scream, others get mad, some say nothing, but I have yet to see one like Amanda!

Yes, that would. But Knox never saw Meredith's body, according to her. She heard her roommate shout "foot" when they opened Meredith's door, she stated she tried to go to the room but was held back.

Also, I don't think I'd classify Knox as a crime victim. Her roommate of two months was murdered. Very horrific but not the same as a family member or good friend being killed or seeing a stranger violently die before you.

Still, I'll admit doing cartwheels anywhere near such a time is bizarre. I would have been huddled on a chair, I think, shaking and calling every family member in the world.

In fact, the reports on her behavior were what convinced me of her guilt. Since I have seen the review of the evidence however, and have learned more about the case, I have changed my mind. It makes no sense to me at all. It fits no known crime parameters.

Umm, she met him at the house and was introduced to him then subsequently saw him at the bar - in other words, she knows him, period, by her own words.


LOL - see this is what I mean about not being able to have a serious debate about this case because no matter what evidence anyone brings to the debate against Amanda it is ALWAYS contradicted.

Even when you have Amanda's own words.

Seriously annoying! I guess we could always have an arguement on the definition of 'knowing' but personally I could not be bothered.

I was asked to provide the information and I did.

You did provide it. I agree, she knew who he was and your proved that. I agree with the other poster too, that meeting someone and then seeing them once is not like really "knowing" someone but she did know him. She could name him and say where she had met and seen him. And that is much more than I thought was the case.

 

[Allusonz]

Does anyone know if the other 2 young ladies who lived in the flat with Meredith and Amanda [ sorry -- I can't remember their names right now ] have made any statements ?

I am curious ... and I sure would like to know what they have to say about today's decision.

TIA !

Not to my knowledge. The last time AK spoke to Filomena was the 5th. They were discussing the details of moving to a different place when she was interrupted by PLE at 10:40 and finished the call

 

[lonetraveler]

So if the family missed red flags so did her entire community - her school, her soccer coaches, her University, her friends- everyone who ever met Amanda prior to these murders missed the red flags.. and none have come forward to say "you know I knew she was crazy"

There were no red flags because Amanda isn't Casey Anthony.

Just a reminder- AK & RS were not acquitted on bad evidence collection, contamination the were acquitted because they did not commit the crime- that was the Jury's verdict.

Can someone explain to me why she is guilty because she lied about he boss in her "confession" but the "confession" is to be believed 100% ?

So you really think that Knox's parents and past school pals would come to Italy and testify that she was a bit different????

 

[emyr]

It could have gone down something like this -

Amanda and RS wandering round the streets, decide to go to the house to get some money to buy some more pot, run into Rudy who they know but not well, he says he can hook them up with the drugs, go to the house to get money run into Meredith big fight ensues, things get out of control, Amanda and RS run off and Rudy rapes and kills Meredith, Amanda and RS won't tell the truth because they feel guilty they let Rudy into the house - it would certainly account for all the lies they told and wouldn't make them guilty of the murder - would make them guilty of covering up the crime though which is what I believe they did.

Or

Maybe they set up Rudy to rob Meredith to get the money for drugs and it got out of hand.

There's just too many damn lies from both of them to make them completely innocent.

I appreciate the fact that your scenarios have Rudy actually robbing Meredith. The problem remains that Amanda had $4k in her bank account, and there were plenty of ATMs nearby. Meredith's rent money was worth about $400. Raffaelle also had plenty of access to money.

I think any scenario that makes them guilty would have to not have them participating in the actual murder, for Rudy's burglaring to make any sense. They could have been there and invovled in a cover up because they didn't want to get caught with drugs? They cleaned the house out of drug paraphenelia?

Except I really don't think they were there, so I don't know why I'm trying to be helpful and coming up with scenarios to put them there.

 

[wasnt_me]

BBM
I'm still waiting for someone to explain why it's ok for the police, the convicted criminal prosecutor, the head of the forensic team, the civil lawyers to lie in court, but Amanda is guilty of murder because she lied during a statement.

I think it's because the police have guns.

:crazy:

 

[darnudes]

Yes, that would. But Knox never saw Meredith's body, according to her. She heard her roommate shout "foot" when they opened Meredith's door, she stated she tried to go to the room but was held back.

Also, I don't think I'd classify Knox as a crime victim. Her roommate of two months was murdered. Very horrific but not the same as a family member or good friend being killed or seeing a stranger violently die before you.

Still, I'll admit doing cartwheels anywhere near such a time is bizarre. I would have been huddled on a chair, I think, shaking and calling every family member in the world.

In fact, the reports on her behavior were what convinced me of her guilt. Since I have seen the review of the evidence however, and have learned more about the case, I have changed my mind. It makes no sense to me at all. It fits no known crime parameters.



You did provide it. I agree, she knew who he was and your proved that. I agree with the other poster too, that meeting someone and then seeing them once is not like really "knowing" someone but she did know him. She could name him and say where she had met and seen him. And that is much more than I thought was the case.

Roomate of ONE month not two.

And agreed, it is not if she knew him or not but how well did she know him.

Amanda seems to me to be a girl of little to no boundries so for me the question of how well she knew Rudy is moot anyway. They spent time socialising and smoking pot that does bring people together who might not know each other very well (think strangers gathered round the smoking area outside) I still think Amanda let Rudy into the house and that it probably had something to do with drugs.

Don't forget Gitana that Amanda used to walk past Rudy all the time when he was playing basketball - there are some clips on youtube of her walk home from school past the courts that are quite interesting. I'm still looking for them and will post them when I find them.

 

[wasnt_me]

This is exactly my point the question is not if she knew him or not, she did end of story by her own admission, now whether she knew him well enough to do a drug deal/robbery or let him into the house that is another story and one we would have to hear from Amanda herself and being a betting person my guess is we will not hear anything from her on this.

I'm confused because we have heard this from AK herself. She sat right up in court and made a declaration after RG's testimony and so did RS. They both swore in open court that they did not know RG, and the first time that the three of them were together in one room was that very day in court, where RG was on the stand and they were sitting at the defense tables.

So when she said that, I took that to mean she ain't never sat around in her own house with RG and RS doing drugs, murder, and robbery. Are you saying that her declaration of this in open court didn't happen? Or she lied? I'm confused.

 

[kalekona]

I am sorry but I disagree, seeing a bloody dead body will throw you into shock, and I have also seen many victim's of crimes and noone does cartwheels....never, I know everyone reacts different, some friend and families fall to the ground and scream, others get mad, some say nothing, but I have yet to see one like Amanda!

Did you see her do cartwheels? no- you read about it- using the term "cartwheel" was just another way to sensationalize this case and to paint Amanda in a bad light.

It would not be inappropriate if you saw someone pop a Xanax in a time of great grief and stress- correct?

Well there are plenty of people in this world who use exercise as a way to calm themselves.

 

[Allusonz]

So you really think that Knox's parents and past school pals would come to Italy and testify that she was a bit different????

The press descended upon Seattle speaking with friends etc. With all the vetting they did the best they could come up with is a noise violation. After 4 years, and all the media attention, if there was something there you would think someone would of spoke up thus I don't believe there was anything there for her parents to miss

 

[wasnt_me]

Roomate of ONE month not two.

And agreed, it is not if she knew him or not but how well did she know him.

Amanda seems to me to be a girl of little to no boundries so for me the question of how well she knew Rudy is moot anyway. They spent time socialising and smoking pot that does bring people together who might not know each other very well (think strangers gathered round the smoking area outside) I still think Amanda let Rudy into the house and that it probably had something to do with drugs.

Don't forget Gitana that Amanda used to walk past Rudy all the time when he was playing basketball - there are some clips on youtube of her walk home from school past the courts that are quite interesting. I'm still looking for them and will post them when I find them.

We do not know how often Ak walked past those courts and at the same time RG was there playing basketball.

I hate to bring others into it, but MK sat right down there in the boys' apartment and smoked with RG, too, and her boyfriend actually PLAYED basketball with RG. How likely is it that MK watched games with her BF and RG?

So....does that mean MK invited RG into the house like RG said? No way.

Suppositions and leaps of logic are dangerous.

 

[kalekona]

So you really think that Knox's parents and past school pals would come to Italy and testify that she was a bit different????

Someone would have said something to the media by now- but that hasn't happened period.

 

[wasnt_me]

Did you see her do cartwheels? no- you read about it- using the term "cartwheel" was just another way to sensationalize this case and to paint Amanda in a bad light.

It would not be inappropriate if you saw someone pop a Xanax in a time of great grief and stress- correct?

Well there are plenty of people in this world who use exercise as a way to calm themselves.

yes, read about it in quotes from people on the team that published the pink bathroom photos, hung her picture on the walls with killers, and said she was guilty by the wiggle of her hips.

It's time to take the microscope OFF AK and put on her accusers.

 

[darnudes]

It's interesting going back over some of the things Amanda has lied about....

In her 6 November note Amanda claimed to have seen Diya Lumumba at the basketball court at Piazza Grimana; and outside her front door. He was actually at his bar.

Very interesting that the basketball court comes up (where Rudy played all the time and Amanda walked past every day) - seems like she put Diya/Patrick in place where Rudy should be at the courts and the scene of the crime.

 

[darnudes]

We do not know how often Ak walked past those courts and at the same time RG was there playing basketball.

I hate to bring others into it, but MK sat right down there in the boys' apartment and smoked with RG, too, and her boyfriend actually PLAYED basketball with RG. How likely is it that MK watched games with her BF and RG?

So....does that mean MK invited RG into the house like RG said? No way.

Suppositions and leaps of logic are dangerous.

The courts are right outside her school, it is virtually impossible for her to walk home without walking past the courts.

 

[Madeleine74]

It's interesting, now that all the physical evidence has been debunked, thwarted, called into question, and impeached, that the only thing left are the imagined behaviors and imagined statements of AK. Rumors and more rumors and stories, and gossip...that's it. That's the only thing left to try and use to suggest AK committed this murder. It's pitiful that a corrupt prosecutor and exaggerated police claims are what is clung to in order to make the continued claim of AK's guilt.

All that's left is coerced police interrogation with no recordings made. How convenient that the police didn't bother to record anything.

The beliefs cannot be changed with logic because they defy all logic. The evidence doesn't support the wild fallacies made up by Mignini. The evidence only shows one killer of MK. But beliefs are beliefs and they remain regardless of fact.

Now every other behavior of Amanda will be insinuated and used to try and show her to be an evil person, when she was a typical kind of flaky 20 yr old college student. She was not just acquitted of a murder. She was declared innocent.

People don't know AK, have never met AK, but that won't stop them from thinking they do and imagining every evil deed their mind can conjure. Small minds, small beliefs, no evidence, indeed.

 

[wasnt_me]

It's interesting going back over some of the things Amanda has lied about....

In her 6 November note Amanda claimed to have seen Diya Lumumba at the basketball court at Piazza Grimana; and outside her front door. He was actually at his bar.

Very interesting that the basketball court comes up (where Rudy played all the time and Amanda walked past every day) - seems like she put Diya/Patrick in place where Rudy should be at the courts and the scene of the crime.

OR

The police kept asking her where she met PL and suggested the basketball court, and she just said "maybe" and they wrote it down as fact, like they did some of her other "maybe" statements.

 

[revampz]

Thought I;d add my opinion, but might upset a few people. I actually feel sorry for the italian boyfriend that got roped into all of this. I think Amanda Knox is very similar to Casey Anthony and I dont know if she murdered Meredith, but I do think she was involved and it was her and rudy........I also think that it was about stolen money........at first.

 

[Allusonz]

BBM
I'm still waiting for someone to explain why it's ok for the police, the convicted criminal prosecutor, the head of the forensic team, the civil lawyers to lie in court, but Amanda is guilty of murder because she lied during a statement.

Yup so am I. This was even done under oath in testimony by PLE. I do believe there should be an investigation into PLE. Prosecutors in Italy are virtually unchecked and have a great deal of power in which there appears to be little to no checks and balances in place. There is as well currently another case virtually the same to this going on in Italy the Scazzi case. As well there have been a number of geologists charged for not predicting an earthquake in time.

I am hoping that some good will come of what was exposed during this case.

 

[darnudes]

It's interesting, now that all the physical evidence has been debunked, thwarted, called into question, and impeached, that the only thing left are the imagined behaviors and imagined statements of AK. Rumors and more rumors and stories, and gossip...that's it. That's the only thing left to try and use to suggest AK committed this murder. It's pitiful that a corrupt prosecutor and exaggerated police claims are what is clung to in order to make the continued claim of AK's guilt.

All that's left is coerced police interrogation with no recordings made. How convenient that the police didn't bother to record anything.

The beliefs cannot be changed with logic because they defy all logic. The evidence doesn't support the wild fallacies made up by Mignini. The evidence only shows one killer of MK. But beliefs are beliefs and they remain regardless of fact.

Now every other behavior of Amanda will be insinuated and used to try and show her to be an evil person, when she was a typical kind of flaky 20 yr old college student. She was not just acquitted of a murder. She was declared innocent.

Sorry don't agree with this at all - I don't believe the evidence has been debunked - I'm just not willing to do a re-hash of all the DNA evidence again. Other people can go back and forward all they like on the subject, I just find it pointless.

I'm perfectly happy to go back on my belief if/when Amanda Knox decides to clear up all the lies she has told, until then I still believe that she was there and had something to do with it.