Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #21

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  • #201
"On Saturday, one of Italy’s leading newspapers, La Repubblica, poured scorn on the massive media attention and what it called manipulation by Knox’s “million-dollar public-relations campaign,” and blasted the American networks for buying into it, chiding them over rumors that a private jet is waiting for Knox to sweep her away—most likely straight to a studio in New York. Knox’s parents have been advised by their lawyers not to give any news interviews at all until after the verdict, but there is surely plenty of archived material to fill the void.


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It is lost on no one that the Knox family uses the media as messengers of their daughter’s innocence, and won’t talk to anyone who won’t toe the party line."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...x-trail-awaits-verdict-on-october-3-2011.html


This of course is referring to the media frenzy which PLE created by leaking information and pictures like the pink bathroom to the media that had no issue with the media in 2009 when most of the media was believing of her guilt
 
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what makes it worse is apparently i lost a day (or more aptly my mind) somewhere this week and i thought the verdict would be this morning. it wasn't until about 4 hours ago that i realized it wouldn't be today. LOL. i was checking twitter like a fool.

I blame things like this on my blonde moments :innocent:

Very easy to do considering the time difference btw
 
  • #204
Thank you for the answer.I was looking at that photo wondering how in the hell Amanda could take a shower in that bathroom.I also thought it looked more pinkish as opposed to the color of dried or drying blood.

Glad you asked, as we recently had a discussion over whether that picture leaked by law enforcement was misleading to the public, and someone in defense of the press/LE was arguing that no one would ever think that was blood. Your post furthers the notion that PLE was leaking deliberately misleading information.

Your reaction how in the hell Amanda could take a shower in that bathroom, is exactly what they were going for with that photo.
 
  • #205
This post should surprise me but alas it does not.

How does one attempt to describe something at a link that one does not listen to?

Perhaps you could elaborate on the point you were making. I prefer not to click on random links posted on forums.
 
  • #206
Glad you asked, as we recently had a discussion over whether that picture leaked by law enforcement was misleading to the public, and someone in defense of the press/LE was arguing that no one would ever think that was blood. Your post furthers the notion that PLE was leaking deliberately misleading information.

Your reaction how in the hell Amanda could take a shower in that bathroom, is exactly what they were going for with that photo.

The Dailymail.uk sensationalizes a murder, and we should blame the police in a foreign country ... I don't follow.
 
  • #207
From the article above: "Whether the defence has done enough to sway the judges, however, is moot. A lot rides on her final speech."
Hence my nervousness. Amanda is not well-spoken, IMHO. She is kind of flaky and scattered in thought and speech. I thought her statements in her last trial did not do her any favors. Rather than declare herself innocent, she said things like, "I fear being given the mask of (killer or murderer or monster)." I personally thought that sounded weird. Who cares what someone CALLS you...the important point is that you didn't commit the murder, there is no evidence tying you to the murder room, and there was no motive, the timeline doesn't fit, and everything else was manufactured. THOSE are the important points--not what one fears being called.

She needs to hammer to that jury that their own court-appointed scientific experts debunked each piece of physical evidence that implicated her and those items and that original scientist's findings cannot be trusted.

I fear that she will talk about herself, how awful it is to be in jail, how she misses her family, how terrible to be thought of as a killer, how she has struggled for months to think of the right things to say to the jury, etc., etc. Those points won't win her any friends on this jury.
 
  • #208
Thankfully, the murderer of Meredith Kercher is in prison, though not for nearly long enough. Rudy Guede is the sole perpetrator of this heinous and evil crime.

It does the Kercher family and Meredith, especially, no good to convict 2 innocent people of her murder. The Kercher family should take solace in knowing their daughter's/sister's murderer was caught and is behind bars. No one forgets who the victim is here.

But now there are 2 additional victims who have been wrongfully accused and convicted. Thank goodness Patrick Lumumba wasn't convicted. Now with AK and RS, those wrongs can be and must be righted for there to be justice in this case. If only RG's sentence could be made into a life sentence!

How did you arrive at the conclusion that Guede acted alone? Not even the Supreme Court agrees with that.
 
  • #209
Thank you for the answer.I was looking at that photo wondering how in the hell Amanda could take a shower in that bathroom.I also thought it looked more pinkish as opposed to the color of dried or drying blood.

You know, I'm sure we already had a conversation here (might have been the thread that got nuked) where Fulcanelli insisted that the police would never release an irrelevant or potentially misleading photograph. As part of his argument, I seem to recall him insisting that nobody believed that pink stuff was blood so it was a moot point anyway.

I've come across quite a few people who assumed it was blood. In fact, quite a few people who decided Amanda was guilty in the early stages, cite that photo as the reason for their conclusion.
 
  • #210
The Dailymail.uk sensationalizes a murder, and we should blame the police in a foreign country ... I don't follow.

What was the point in the police giving a newspaper a photo of a bathroom covered in a pink substance?

I'm glad this settles the silly debate of people not ever thinking it could possibly be blood though.
 
  • #211
Hey I hope I'm wrong too, heck I was wrong about Casey Anthony.

I actually feel really bad for Meredith's family that the case wasn't handled in a less sensationalistic way and that they got the prosecutor the did because I just think anything that man does will be called into question- he isn't an honorable man and I think this trial was always about him redeaming himself not about Meredith.

:welcome:

BBM

I must agree and his appeal begins IIRC in November
 
  • #212
I guess ... if you're okay with the convicted murderer or her family dictating what the public should know ... okay.

I know for a fact no one dictated anything to me thus this statement does not follow a logical reasoning
 
  • #213
Hence my nervousness. Amanda is not well-spoken, IMHO. She is kind of flaky and scattered in thought and speech. I thought her statements in her last trial did not do her any favors. Rather than declare herself innocent, she said things like, "I fear being given the mask of (killer or murderer or monster)." I personally thought that sounded weird. Who cares what someone CALLS you...the important point is that you didn't commit the murder, there is no evidence tying you to the murder room, and there was no motive, the timeline doesn't fit, and everything else was manufactured. THOSE are the important points--not what one fears being called.

She needs to hammer to that jury that their own court-appointed scientific experts debunked each piece of physical evidence that implicated her and those items and that original scientist's findings cannot be trusted.

I fear that she will talk about herself, how awful it is to be in jail, how she misses her family, how terrible to be thought of as a killer, how she has struggled for months to think of the right things to say to the jury, etc., etc. Those points won't win her any friends on this jury.

The professors from Rome didn't actually debunk anything. They agreed that the DNA on the knife could belong to Meredith, but they didn't test it even though they had the equipment to test the LNC DNA. The y haplotype on the bra clasp was rare and a perfect match to Sollecito. The theory given by the professors is that the DNA flew from some unknown place and landed on the clasp.

Perhaps it would do her some good to simply tell the truth about what she did that murderous night.
 
  • #214
How did you arrive at the conclusion that Guede acted alone? Not even the Supreme Court agrees with that.

The Supreme Court expressed no opinion on the matter. It merely rubber-stamped Rudy's conviction as having been arrived at with due process.

Rudy as the lone burglar who was disturbed by Meredith, with the ensuing encounter escalating into sexual assault and murder is not only not contradicted by any of the physical evidence, it is the logical, parsimonious and Occam's-razor-compliant explanation for the observed facts.
 
  • #215
What was the point in the police giving a newspaper a photo of a bathroom covered in a pink substance?

I'm glad this settles the silly debate of people not ever thinking it could possibly be blood though.

We have no idea where the photos came from and whether that was one photo amongst 100 or simply one photo. Regardless, it was the newspaper that published the statement that it was a blood covered bathroom. Perhaps that newspaper should be more responsible if people are taking their sensationalism seriously.
 
  • #216
The professors from Rome didn't actually debunk anything. They agreed that the DNA on the knife could belong to Meredith, but they didn't test it even though they had the equipment to test the LNC DNA. The y haplotype on the bra clasp was rare and a perfect match to Sollecito. The theory given by the professors is that the DNA flew from some unknown place and landed on the clasp.

I'm not quite sure how to deal with quite so much misconception concentrated into one post.

The professors absolutely skewered the work of the forensics team in general and the LCN DNA testing on these two pieces of evidence in particular. If you can't see this, I truly believe you are in denial.
 
  • #217
Perhaps you could elaborate on the point you were making. I prefer not to click on random links posted on forums.

It is a news link :)
 
  • #218
You know, I'm sure we already had a conversation here (might have been the thread that got nuked) where Fulcanelli insisted that the police would never release an irrelevant or potentially misleading photograph. As part of his argument, I seem to recall him insisting that nobody believed that pink stuff was blood so it was a moot point anyway.

I've come across quite a few people who assumed it was blood. In fact, quite a few people who decided Amanda was guilty in the early stages, cite that photo as the reason for their conclusion.

It was this comment that got me:

otto said:
I don't know any ordinary people would look at a picture of pink something in a room and think it's blood ... or whatever people imagined it was. Seriously, why would anyone read a tabloid and think that it had the inside scoop on secret information from the prosecutor's office in a foreign country?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7118965&highlight=pink#post7118965

Otto, I hope you've reconsidered your point of view.
 
  • #219
I'm not quite sure how to deal with quite so much misconception concentrated into one post.

The professors absolutely skewered the work of the forensics team in general and the LCN DNA testing on these two pieces of evidence in particular. If you can't see this, I truly believe you are in denial.

You are mistaken. It is you that is in denial.
 
  • #220
We have no idea where the photos came from and whether that was one photo amongst 100 or simply one photo. Regardless, it was the newspaper that published the statement that it was a blood covered bathroom. Perhaps that newspaper should be more responsible if people are taking their sensationalism seriously.

We do know where they got it from:

In chilling new photographs released by Italian police today

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-scene-reveal-apartment-bloodbath-horror.html

So why did the police give them a photo of a bathroom covered in pink dye?
 
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