Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #21

[otto]

So how is it that Amanda managed to remove just her own DNA? :waitasec:

And Rudy's DNA along with Meredith's DNA was still left intact? Hmmm...???

I think it's unusual that Knox's DNA was not on her bedside lamp.

 

[Malkmus]

So how is it that Amanda managed to remove just her own DNA? :waitasec:

And Rudy's DNA along with Meredith's DNA was still left intact? Hmmm...???

They got a black market DNA removal kit from one of Rudy's contacts.

Seriously, though, on the list of items tested for DNA that I saw a while back the lamp was not on it.

 

[marlame]

So Knox was making jokes about her fingerprints on the knife during the murder investigation?

Using the word joke may not be the right term...my understanding is that Amanda was making the point that it was absurd that the police were tying to claim Meredith's blood was on the knife. She asked a rhetorical question merely for effect. I call this irony. A simple way of putting it is that irony usually signals a difference between the appearance of things and reality.

 

[sherlockh]

So how is it that Amanda managed to remove just her own DNA? :waitasec:

And Rudy's DNA along with Meredith's DNA was still left intact? Hmmm...???

Where did they leave DNA? The violence against Meredith attributed to AK and RS didn't leave any DNA traces to begin with. The stabbings, the head and face wounds, the bruises, the strangle. The simple fact is that if you have a knife in your hand, you will leave DNA on the knife. That is what AK did. Both RS and RG left traces on the bra. Then there is a trace of RG inside of Meredith, and a trace of RG on the sweater. That is all there is of the violence against Meredith. The rest of the traces of RG were left after the murder, because he stayed in the room and the others left.

 

[sleutherontheside]

If nothing else...this case reminds me how lucky Americans are to have our justice system....flaws and all.

 

[marlame]

Where did they leave DNA? The violence against Meredith attributed to AK and RS didn't leave any DNA traces to begin with. The stabbings, the head and face wounds, the bruises, the strangle. The simple fact is that if you have a knife in your hand, you will leave DNA on the knife. That is what AK did. Both RS and RG left traces on the bra. Then there is a trace of RG inside of Meredith, and a trace of RG on the sweater. That is all there is of the violence against Meredith. The rest of the traces of RG were left after the murder, because he stayed in the room and the others left.

They did not leave DNA that I know of...The only reason DNA of Amanda's was on knife is becuase she used it when cutting bread. There was no DNA evidence of Meredith's found on the knife.

BBM...(DNA on bra)
The DNA on bra clasp was rejected. Italian appeals court judge ordered an independent review of crucial DNA evidence. The Forensic experts appointed by the Judge concluded the DNA evidence was flawed and mishandled. At best...The only DNA evidence found in or around Meredith was attributed to RG. NO DNA was found there belonging to RS or AK.

 

[iluvmua]

So when will we hear the verdict?

 

[sherlockh]

They did not leave DNA that I know of...The only reason DNA of Amanda's was on knife is becuase she used it when cutting bread. There was no DNA evidence of Meredith's found on the knife.

BBM...(DNA on bra)
The DNA on bra clasp was rejected. Italian appeals court judge ordered an independent review of crucial DNA evidence. The Forensic experts appointed by the Judge concluded the DNA evidence was flawed and mishandled. At best...The only DNA evidence found in or around Meredith was attributed to RG. NO DNA was found there belonging to RS or AK.

If they did not leave any DNA then you can't use the argument that it is impossible that they must have cleaned it. No need to clean anything that is not there. I did not know the judges already rejected the DNA evidence on the bra. Thanks for that information.

 

[kalekona]

"The absence of evidence is evidence of absence"

Blood Transfer- the room should have been filled with bloody footprints, hand prints of three people not just one. And there would have been blood splatter

Bloody clothing- there was none- no clothing, no shoes

Just how is ALL of that explained away?

Injuries to Assailant, assailants- Raffaele nor Amanda had cuts or bruises Raffaeles glasses weren't even broken or bent.

Blood contamination- there was none- no blood in Amanda's room and none in Raffaeles apt.

Escape- Raffaele not Amanda tried to flee- Rudy Guede did.

 

[Salem]

They did not leave DNA that I know of...The only reason DNA of Amanda's was on knife is becuase she used it when cutting bread. There was no DNA evidence of Meredith's found on the knife.

BBM...(DNA on bra)
The DNA on bra clasp was rejected. Italian appeals court judge ordered an independent review of crucial DNA evidence. The Forensic experts appointed by the Judge concluded the DNA evidence was flawed and mishandled. At best...The only DNA evidence found in or around Meredith was attributed to RG. NO DNA was found there belonging to RS or AK.

What you say is true except the DNA on the bra clasp and the knife have NOT been rejected yet. There is a difference of opinion and I don't think (I could be wrong) the Judges/jury have rejected the evidence yet. The evidence at this point is still in controversy until the verdict comes out.

This is interesting to me because the Judge appointed experts did NOT retest the two pieces of evidence after they made all the hullabaloo about breaking the handle of the knife to obtain access to the inside of the handle. I just can't figure this out......

Salem

 

[mrsu]

I've been following this case from afar. When is this verdict expected??

 

[Monzoo]

So when will we hear the verdict?

Court will be in session at 9:00 am in Perugia (3:00 am EDT).

First will be Amanda's attorney, Ghira, with the last rebuttal. Then Raffaele and Amanda will have about 15 minutes to make a statement.

The panel of judges should begin their deliberations around noon Perugia time. Verdict can be any time after that. If I had to guess, I would say around noon EDT.

 

[emyr]

I hadn't even seen the photo until it was discussed here. Furthermore, anyone that decides someone's guilt based on a photo of a pink bathroom ... I don't know what to say. Strange. Blood simply doesn't turn pink after it leaves the body.

Way back when I saw that photo, I thought it was washed down blood. Also, I wasn't really paying attention. I just remember thinking "Wow. Was she trying to say she took a shower there with the lights off? Completely guilty."

The photo was small and grainy if I remember. Long time ago.

 

[emyr]

The professors from Rome didn't actually debunk anything. They agreed that the DNA on the knife could belong to Meredith, but they didn't test it even though they had the equipment to test the LNC DNA. The y haplotype on the bra clasp was rare and a perfect match to Sollecito. The theory given by the professors is that the DNA flew from some unknown place and landed on the clasp.

Perhaps it would do her some good to simply tell the truth about what she did that murderous night.

Actually, I thought this too, but what happened was they tested the knife and it returned an answer of NO DNA, so they did not proceed further. So your real issue is whether or not they blew up the sample large enough to verify that there was really no LCN DNA left.

The original sample was so small, it would be startling to me if there was any. But I could be wrong. The prosecution's complaint was that they did not actually try and see if they could blow up the test to show a result anyway after the machine returned the answer "NO DNA."

 

[Malkmus]

What you say is true except the DNA on the bra clasp and the knife have NOT been rejected yet. There is a difference of opinion and I don't think (I could be wrong) the Judges/jury have rejected the evidence yet. The evidence at this point is still in controversy until the verdict comes out.

This is interesting to me because the Judge appointed experts did NOT retest the two pieces of evidence after they made all the hullabaloo about breaking the handle of the knife to obtain access to the inside of the handle. I just can't figure this out......

Salem

Salem, i thought someone had answered this in more detail when you brought it up originally, but I could be wrong. The way I understand it is that the bra clasp is impossible to retest because it is corroded. The DNA on the knife blade was destroyed (not sure of a better word) the first time by stefanoni because it was too small to retest. The knife was not opened because of the starch substance found on the inside where the blade and handle meet. That plus a negative test for blood to them meant no need to open it. I might have this last part wrong so someone else can clarify. I haven't read the C&V report yet, but it answers all this.

 

[otto]

They did not leave DNA that I know of...The only reason DNA of Amanda's was on knife is becuase she used it when cutting bread. There was no DNA evidence of Meredith's found on the knife.

BBM...(DNA on bra)
The DNA on bra clasp was rejected. Italian appeals court judge ordered an independent review of crucial DNA evidence. The Forensic experts appointed by the Judge concluded the DNA evidence was flawed and mishandled. At best...The only DNA evidence found in or around Meredith was attributed to RG. NO DNA was found there belonging to RS or AK.

According to the prosecutor during closing arguments, the fingerprints were on the wrong side of the handle to have gotten there while cutting bread.

 

[otto]

Way back when I saw that photo, I thought it was washed down blood. Also, I wasn't really paying attention. I just remember thinking "Wow. Was she trying to say she took a shower there with the lights off? Completely guilty."

The photo was small and grainy if I remember. Long time ago.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-scene-reveal-apartment-bloodbath-horror.html

 

[askfornina]

i believe i read somewhere that the "blood" on the knife was located in the middle, on the dull edge? is that the truth?

 

[emyr]

According to the prosecutor during closing arguments, the fingerprints were on the wrong side of the handle to have gotten there while cutting bread.

So what are you saying? The fingerprints were left over from the murder... and then the rye starch floated through the air and landed on the blade?
:innocent:

 

[Malkmus]

According to the prosecutor during closing arguments, the fingerprints were on the wrong side of the handle to have gotten there while cutting bread.

If they made that argument, it seriously makes no sense. There were no fingerprints, just DNA, and DNA could be deposited anywhere on the knife just from picking it up.