Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #21

[Malkmus]

i believe i read somewhere that the "blood" on the knife was located in the middle, on the dull edge? is that the truth?

No, there was no blood found, just DNA, and I believe it was on the "sharp" side.

 

[emyr]

"For months we've had a representation of us which is more like a caricature," says Perugia's mayor, Wladimiro Boccali.
"We've been damaged by this negative image that we have to deal with when we sell ourselves as a university town. At first blush, we've been described as a town overwhelmed with drugs and extreme sex games."


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel...knox-murder-20111003-1l4ro.html#ixzz1ZgYGCQhq


Now replace the town with Amanda. In order to say she is a murdress, she has to be portrayed a certain way. In order for that to make sense, the town gets portrayed a certain way.

And the end result is the town is mad at Amanda and not at the newspapers and not at Rudy either. Just bizarre.

 

[wasnt_me]

I have now changed my mind....... it was Halloween, Amanda would more than likely be with her boyfriend..... Why would they go back to her place if they wanted to be alone when they could go back to his place where they would be insured privacy.

Why do you mention this? I must have missed the conversation, but I wanted to state what I know about the halloween night. as I understand it, RS and AK were not together at the onset of the evening. They hooked up later and then went to his house. This is why it was believed that RS got HIS nights confused, too, when he said AK wasn't with him the whole night. What I find odd is that everybody is getting their days confused. If MK hadn't gone to her friend's house the next night, I'd be worried that she was really killed on Halloween--unless her friends got their nights wrong, too...

 

[otto]

So what are you saying? The fingerprints were left over from the murder... and then the rye starch floated through the air and landed on the blade?
:innocent:

What the prosecutor was saying is that the location of the prints was inconsistent with someone holding the knife while cutting bread.

 

[otto]

If they made that argument, it seriously makes no sense. There were no fingerprints, just DNA, and DNA could be deposited anywhere on the knife just from picking it up.

Knox fingerprints were on the handle of the knife.

 

[sherlockh]

"The absence of evidence is evidence of absence"

Blood Transfer- the room should have been filled with bloody footprints, hand prints of three people not just one. And there would have been blood splatter

Bloody clothing- there was none- no clothing, no shoes

Just how is ALL of that explained away?

Injuries to Assailant, assailants- Raffaele nor Amanda had cuts or bruises Raffaeles glasses weren't even broken or bent.

Blood contamination- there was none- no blood in Amanda's room and none in Raffaeles apt.

Escape- Raffaele not Amanda tried to flee- Rudy Guede did.

The room wasn't filled with handprints so I guess there was no murder? If you can't identify exactly where they must have left DNA of fingerprints or footprints then it is a rather moot argument. They stabbed Meredith and left the room. They touched the door with blood but that didn't leave any fingerprint. Same goes for the bathroom door and the scene in the bathroom. Whoever touched the q-tip box or the light switch didn't leave a fingerprint. It happens. They didn't stay in the room like RG did when he stepped in blood right next Meredith's wounds.

However, they did get blood on their hands from the stabbings. Amanda did leave a trail of blood and DNA. No less than 5 mixed blood/DNA spots were found. The excuse that that is normal because she lived there is an impossibility. A stranger would leave his DNA mixed with Meredith's blood, not AK's. This excuse was already rejected in the first trial and I don't see why it would be accepted now.

Obviously there is disagreement about the nature of the luminol footprints. During rebuttals AK's defense admitted the footprints were hers but made in soap. RS's defense claimed the male prints were RG's because he lost his shoe during the struggle. Then there is the bathmat print attributed to RS clearly made in blood.

No wounds on RG, RS, AK and lack of defense wounds on MK is actually a prosecutions argument as evidence of multiple attackers.

No bloody clothes goes for all 3. They had enough time to wash them or get rid of them.

AK lived there. Instead of fleeing they chose to stage the crime scene and lie to the police.

In conclusion, even without the knife and bra clasp, we still have a covered body which is a sign of the killer being close to the victim, a locked door which points to the killer living there, a staged crime scene which also points to the killer living there, 5 mixed blood/DNA traces, luminol footprints, bathmat footprint, suspicious behavior/false alibis/false accusation, and several witnesses. I can't believe that any websleuth wouldn't at least be a little bit suspicious. JMO.

 

[askfornina]

No, there was no blood found, just DNA, and I believe it was on the "sharp" side.

thank you! the misinformation thrown around in this case is crazy

 

[Allusonz]

What the prosecutor was saying is that the location of the prints was inconsistent with someone holding the knife while cutting bread.

No prints found on the knife nice try

 

[Allusonz]

From the experts report

Some samples (A-E-F-H-I) and in particular sample “H”, show granules with a characteristic circular/hexagonal morphology and a radial central structure. A more detailed microscopic study, along with a review of the data present in the literature, allowed it to be determined that the structures in question are attributable to starch granules: therefore material of a vegetable nature.
Taking note that no DNA suitable for further laboratory investigations (amplification, electrophoresis) was present either on the swabs [tamponature] (A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H-I) taken from Exhibit 36 (knife) or on those (L-M) taken from Exhibit 165B (hooks of the bra), the experts verbally informed the consultants of the parties that they would proceed to a detailed examination of the Technical Report drawn up by the Scientific Police, as according to the task formulated during the assignment hearing

http://knoxdnareport.wordpress.com/contents/conclusions-1/

 

[Allusonz]

Regarding Stephanoni's analysis which they were mandated to review

Both B & C were both TOO LOW but Stephanoni decided that sample B had something and over-rode the machine settings which perplexes the consultants as to why it was done in the first place and secondly why not do the same to sample C

"On the other hand, it is not possible to comprehend the criteria adopted in the assessment of the positive quantification result for sample B and the negative result for sample C, given that the same result, “too low”, was obtained for both samples: that is, a value which must be considered not only below the sensitivity threshold of the Fluorimeter indicated by the manual (DNA concentrations equal to 0.2 ng/μl), but below 0.08 ng/μl, a value which the Fluorimeter detected for sample A.

Nor is it comprehensible, considering the negative results on sample B, what Dr. Stefanoni reported during the GUP questioning (page 178) where she stated that the DNA in sample B, quantified with Real Time PCR (it is recalled that such quantification as confirmed during the hearing was never carried out or, at least, no documentation was provided to support this claim), was “in the order of some hundreds of picograms”, a value which does not appear in any of the documents provided to us (SAL, Fluorimeter report, Real Time report, RTIGF). "

http://knoxdnareport.wordpress.com/...egarding-item-36-knife/quantification-of-dna/

 

[Madeleine74]

<modsnip> We see this all the time. Here we have forensic evidence that the judge's new experts have cast significant doubt upon, certainly more than enough to prove reasonable doubt, and the hyperbole of who and what AK appears to be leads the way. To my mind, those scientists who pointed out how untrustworthy Stefonini's results were should really take center stage in each of the juror's minds. The core of the case is one of physical evidence (and lack thereof).

A bloody and small crime scene that contains no evidence of 2 of the supposed perps should (and really must) cause each of those jurors to reconsider why AK and RS were even charged, let alone convicted back in 2009. Unconscionable is what that conviction was, IMHO.

 

[wasnt_me]

Last thoughts about Rudy:

His right hand had a cut. He said he got the cut from defending himself against the knife welding man who killed Meredith. It seems most likely he got the cut from the broken glass from the burglary. More indications that the burglary wasn't staged.

Also, the day of his arrest, he stated that Meredith came in and opened a drawer beside her bed, and discovered her money was stolen. So, he knows that there was money in the drawer beside her bed. And he knows it was stolen.

His DNA was also found on her purse. So he not only knows about the money from her drawer, but he also took additional items from her purse. If the burglary was staged after he left, how would he know where the money was?

The answer seems most likely that he stole the money.

How would he have had the opportunity to steal both items moments after a spontaneous murder? How unlikely is it that he just happened to rob Meredith BEFORE a spontatneous murder committed by Amanda and Raffaelle?

To play devil's advocate on this:

RG knew the money was in the drawer because an angry MK came out her room and said, "I was going in there to find us some condoms and do you know that <modsnip> AK went in my drawer and stole my money? wait, let me go in the bathroom and steal her condoms!"

His DNA is on the purse because he searched it to find a cell phone to call for help. That's what I'd say if I were him and knew for a fact that I'd taken the cell phones. Maybe he took the phones because she wasn't dead when he left and he thought she'd call the police. Awful.

Cut on his hand, no blood on window or in FR's room. Probably his blood all over those towels they couldn't test.

 

[otto]

No prints found on the knife nice try

Fingerprints were found on the handle of the knife and they were discussed during the appeal. The prosecutor specifically said that the were in the wrong place if someone was holding the knife to cut bread, and encouraged the court panel of judges/layjudges to try it themselves to see how the knife was held to get the prints arranged as they were on the knife.

"This alleged murder weapon was found not at the crime scene but in the kitchen of Sollecito's flat, two weeks later. Knox's fingerprints were on the handle ..."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-amanda-knox-about-to-walk-free-2359360.html

 

[Allusonz]

"The only forensic evidence against Knox was a knife which the prosecution claimed was the murder weapon &#8211; but it is this, along with the clasp of Ms Kercher's bra on which, it is alleged, there were traces of Sollecito's DNA, that has been the prosecution's undoing during the appeal.

This alleged murder weapon was found not at the crime scene but in the kitchen of Sollecito's flat, two weeks later. Knox's fingerprints were on the handle ..."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-amanda-knox-about-to-walk-free-2359360.html

No they were not. DNA was found NOT her FINGERPRINTS

It is all in the experts report including the fact of perjury Stephanoni stated in her testimony it is all there in black and white. Science does not recognize countries or international boundries

 

[Madeleine74]

I wish I had more faith in my fellow man/woman. I wish I could know that what is being looked at and deliberated about will be only the salient facts of this case. But I have my fears and doubts. So much presented in the courtroom by the prosecutors ranged from fanciful theories to downright deception. Mignini is a disgrace to Perugia and why he's allowed to continue in any legal capacity is beyond me. I don't know if he even believes his own lies and stories or if he is so determined to "save face" that throwing 2 innocent people in jail for life is just a normal day's work for him.

 

[Malkmus]

Fingerprints were found on the handle of the knife and they were discussed during the appeal. The prosecutor specifically said that the were in the wrong place if someone was holding the knife to cut bread, and encouraged the court panel of judges/layjudges to try it themselves to see how the knife was held to get the prints arranged as they were on the knife.

"The only forensic evidence against Knox was a knife which the prosecution claimed was the murder weapon &#8211; but it is this, along with the clasp of Ms Kercher's bra on which, it is alleged, there were traces of Sollecito's DNA, that has been the prosecution's undoing during the appeal.

This alleged murder weapon was found not at the crime scene but in the kitchen of Sollecito's flat, two weeks later. Knox's fingerprints were on the handle ..."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-amanda-knox-about-to-walk-free-2359360.html

The author seems to have confused DNA with prints.

What could clear this up, Otto, is if you could cite this argument you mentioned from the prosecution about the location of prints on the handle proving she didn't use it to cut bread.

 

[otto]

The author seems to have confused DNA with prints.

What could clear this up, Otto, is if you could cite this argument you mentioned from the prosecution about the location of prints on the handle proving she didn't use it to cut bread.

There was a whole week of testimony and twitter posts ... there is no way that I can locate the remarks again without spending a lot of time on it, and I will not do that.

It doesn't matter. There is no evidence according to many of the posts here. I have no idea what all the lawyers have been discussing for four years, since there is no evidence, but they spent all of last week again in court doing who knows what since there is no evidence.

 

[Malkmus]

There was a whole week of testimony and twitter posts ... there is no way that I can locate the remarks again without spending a lot of time on it, and I will not do that.

It doesn't matter. There is no evidence according to many of the posts here. I have no idea what all the lawyers have been discussing for four years, since there is no evidence, but they spent all of last week again in court doing who knows what since there is no evidence.

In that case, I think it's safe to assume you misread or were misinformed about there being fingerprints on the knife.

The prosecution spent last week painting Amanda Knox as a witch. That's the long and short of it. The defense spent a good deal of time arguing time of death, conflicting eyewitness testimony, how the break-in was not staged, and the demolition of the DNA evidence.

 

[Malkmus]

@morsels
court begins in less than 2 hrs. amanda knox and raffaele sollecito both expected to speak on their own behalfs. #amandaknox

 

[Malkmus]

This must be what you were referring to, Otto:

Meredith&#8217;s murder: pm &#8220;the one who held the knife was Amanda Knox&#8221;

&#8220;The one holding the knife (that killed Meredith Kercher, ed) was Amanda Knox&#8221;. The prosecutor Manuela Comodi, said in court mimicking the manner in which, according to the reconstruction of the accusation, that knife would have been held by the killer of Meredith.

&#8220;They will tell you - said Comodi - she could have used it at any other time since she frequented Sollecito's house, but the DNA of Amanda was found in that spot because she wielded it inappropriately&#8221;

&#8220;Give it a try'- said the magistrate - you will see that in cutting bread, or meat, the hand rests on the back and not [in that spot] there&#8221;.

http://www.libero-news.it/news/829511/Omicidio-Meredith-pm-chi-impugnava-il-coltello-era-Amanda.html