Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #21

[Malkmus]

I won't be staying up all night, or at least will try not to. Thinking of knocking myself out with some Nyquil...

 

[askfornina]

http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/29367841/index.html

this looks like a live stream that starts in an hour.

 

[kalekona]

I thought it was going to be live streamed - BUT I'm never sure about these things.

I was just checking in to see who was up and ask who might be following this tonight?

I expect when I get up, there will be a verdict and this thread will be in major melt-down, regardless of the decision.

So here is fair warning: NO GLOATING FROM EITHER SIDE - none, nada, zip.

If you feel you must gloat, please do it anywhere but here. Please.

Thanks!

Salem

King5 is planing on streaming live- they have no exact time for Amanda's statement
http://www.king5.com/

http://www.kirotv.com/news/29368030/detail.html
"There are three main words to listen for. Confirma means the original verdict will be upheld. Reforma means it has been overturned. Parsiali reforma means the sentences could be lengthened or shortened."

 

[BaileyandBella]

Could they deliberate for a few days like the US?

 

[wasnt_me]

Just pretend it's a movie. Everything seems scripted like that anyways. pretend it's law and order with commerical breaks.
Really, I have a serious problem with them having quick verdicts. I think they did it in the first trial. I have a serious problem with them KNOWING when the verdict will come and the trial hasn't even concluded.

 

[kalekona]

Could they deliberate for a few days like the US?

I just read that they are not allowed to leave the court room until they reach a verdict

A decision could take several hours -- jurors are not allowed to leave the deliberation room until they agree on a verdict.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/sns-rt-us-italy-knox-perugiatre7911e7-20111002,0,6693810.story

 

[BaileyandBella]

Yikes....

 

[sherlockh]

Do you realize how much blood would have been on that floor? Clear evidence of all 3 would have been all over that apt.

40 plus stab wounds and injuries to only one person-that just isn't logical that the person the prosecution claims actually did the stabbing had no cuts or bruises.

So you are saying that AK and RS were clever and smart enough to get rid of all of there cloths, shoes and any trace of blood but took the knife back to his place? All that blood but none at RS"s place? Again not logical.

This is often exaggerated. Sure there was a lot of blood but not instantly. They simply left the room right away and Rudy stayed. His shoe prints were on the pillow case right next to Meredith. That is where he must have stepped in blood. Especially on RS's side there would not have been that much blood. Those cuts are relatively small. On AK's side the cut was bigger and she for sure would have had much blood on her hands, and that is what the trail of blood shows.

They did not clean all their traces as I already listed. The judges will now decide if the bloody footsteps outside the room, the mixed DNA traces, and the clear evidence of cleaning in the bathroom is all just 'normal'. I seriously doubt it.

No matter the outcome, it is still a very sad case. Meredith isn't coming back to life so I can only hope that justice will be served. The 3 killers will be locked up for a long time which I also find very sad. I don't think any of those 3 were really evil. They just did something incredibly stupid.

The media has turned this case into a circus. Nobody cares if AK killed someone. All they care about is when she can be the next guest on the Oprah show. People are even placing bets on the outcome. I am going to turn off my computer and do something useful

 

[kalekona]

Still not logical that they killed her in a sex orgy and yet the only bodily fluids belonged to RG

There was no mixed DNA- there wasn't enough DNA to ID any one person let alone more than one.

According to KIRO news twitter the court room is starting to fill up.

 

[BaileyandBella]

LIVE stream in the courtroom right now

http://www.kirotv.com/video/29369035/index.html

 

[kalekona]

Thanks I got off the computer (stupid job lol) I've got my iPhone so I'll go check it out- I just can't watch and comment here

 

[BaileyandBella]

It's on TV now...CNN

 

[Malkmus]

Still awake...

CNN (on TV) is broadcasting live with translation

Ghirga is literally screaming at the court. This is something else.

 

[kalekona]

CNN has it live- defense still speaking.

I'm totally have to sleep soon and will miss the verdict I bet

My thoughts and prayers are with Amanda & her family as well as RS and his also on my mind tight now is Meredith's family.

 

[BaileyandBella]

Is her former boyfriend going to speak also?

 

[Malkmus]

Raffaele addresses the court:

Says he's nervous and drinks water before reading his statement. Says he has suffered for years. He's never in his life hurt anybody. The charges against him are so out of character he has always thought sooner or later things will clear themselves up. Instead that din't happen. He had to endure day by day, it's like living in a nightmare, where things aren't right. Many years have gone by and the prosecution has called him Amanda's boyfriend who has killed for no reason.... It's a game of words. When a person has been condemned to life imprisonment, everything in jail at the end of the day is like a death. He has heard that people say he has accused Amanda. That is false. There are words that have been used. That's what his lawyers have said to him... There were like 30 policemen around them for like ten hours. He just wanted to get home and find someone to help them. That is the reason for those statements that night. The weapon has been discussed. People say he has accused Guede. That is false. He has no interest talking about him. He never met him. He never heard his name before the trial. Not an acquaintance. He knows him better from court. He's passed him by in court and that's it. It's silly having to repeat it, but it's the truth. Amanda and he are in jail for over 1400 days. Tiny things reach an enormous importance, like acaress or comforting word. Those are signs of affection, tenderness that in a way for a minute help you forget problems. Amanda's family are here from the other side of the world just to be with her. My family have done everything, sacrifices so he could confront this process and come out of this situation. From the beginning he thought it would be quickly solved, but that hasn't happened. Says the prosecution has never asked him questions, he doesn't know why. He could explain everything, but they never ask. So he's here to say freely the facts he's gone through and what he is.
He was just days from presenting his phd. Then he met Amanda, a beautiful girl. Shining, happy, very sweet. It was the first weekend they were going to spend together. Herboss had given her free time. His friend Jovana had asked him to go to the bus station. Then she said she didn't need it anymore. They were then free that night. Only wish was to spend the evening in tenderness and hugs, nothing else. What we wished was just to be together, nothing else.
They just want to overcome this. Not much to say otherwise. He wants to make an homage if he's allowed. A bracelet that says "Free Amanda and Raffaele" that he's never taken off. It's yellow now. Now is the moment to take it off. This bracelet... there are lots of emotions in it. The wish of justice, the efforts towards light from this black tunnel. Also, the wish of freedom. The bracelet represents the past. New future, new hopes that he thinks they deserve. Thanks the court.

 

[ziggy]

Amanda is speaking; says she was so much younger four years ago, fundamentally younger with no concept of tragedy etc.

She was thankful for Raf because she was at his house or it could have also been her and for being there for her afterward because she had no one - he was everything to her.

 

[ziggy]

And she trusted LE blindly, put herself completely at their disposal during those days and she says she was manipulated and is not what they say she is, perversity, violence - she respects life and people and has not done the things they say, raped, stolen and she wasn't there, not present at that crime.

She didn't know Rudy, she remembers the police asked her to give a list of people that MK had known and she mentioned a black guy that they had met downstairs, but she didn't even know his name - like so many people she knew a face but did not have contact and she did not know him.

She has never done the things they say she's done...they say it just happens like that. I had a good relationship with the flatmates; she wasn't very tidy, but they were all happy and had a good relationship. She and Meredith were friends. She was always kind to me.

 

[ziggy]

OMG I'm so nervous for her and for Raf. I'm praying that the court will do the right thing and realize the evidence falls short.

 

[Malkmus]

Amanda addresses the court:

"I'ma bit nervous. I'm the same person I was 4 years ago. The only thing different is my suffering. In 4 years I've lost my friends in the most terrible and unexplainable way. My trust in the authorities and police has been damaged. I've had to face charges that are unfair without basis, and I'm paying with my life for something I haven't done. 4 years ago I was younger. But I was also fundamentally younger, because I had never suffered in my life. I didn't know tragedy. It awas something on TV. I never had to face so much fear, tragedy, suffering. I didn't know how to interpret this. Face it. Internalize it when I found out Meredith had been murdered. I couldn't believe it. Howwas it possible? Then I was scared because a person with whom I'd been sharing my life, abedroom next to mine, has been murdered. And if I had been there that night i"d be dead as she is. The only difference was I was at Raffaele's. And also later because I had no one. He was everything to me at that moment. At that time I owe everything to him. I had a sense of duty to the authorities and I trusted them because they were there to find whow as guilty and I trusted them blindly, absolutely. I put myself at their disposal comepletely in those days. The night of the 5th November I had just been arrested, manipulated. I am not what they say I am. Perversity, violence. I repsect life and people, and haven't doe the things they suggest. I haven't raped, murdered, stolen. I wasn't present for that crime. I didn't know Rudy. I remember the police asked me to give a list of all the poeple Meredith and I had met and I mentioned of a black guy that we had met with the boys downstairs, but I didn't even know his name. I never had contact with him. They say I knew him, no. I have never done the things they say I have done. They say 'It just happens like that'. I had a good relationship with my flatmates, I was untidy, but we had a very good relationship. I was sharing ,my life with Meredith. We were friends. We would get worried for me when I would go to work. ALways kimd to me. Meredith has been murdered. And I always wanted justice for her. I never tried toe scape the truth. I insist that after 4 desperate years, our innocence, because it's true and it has to be defended and recognized. I want to go back home, back to my life. I don'r want to be punished, to have my life taken away from me for things I haven't committed because I am innocent. Raffaele is innocent. And (she pauses) I deserve freedom because we have done nothing to deserve this. I have high respect for this court and would like to thank you and for this reason justice."