Methods of putting pressure on a POI (aka "strategy")

[human]

Respectfully edited. At the risk of sounding like a broken record (those of you who are old enough know what this means ), I will repeat what I've said previously on a couple of threads.

If I were a parent who had a child/children at Skyline, I'd be getting very nervous about when and if there will be an arrest in this case. Unless there is some sound evidence that there isn't a child predator on the loose who abducted Kyron from the safety of his elementary school, I would be reluctant to send my child to Skyline come September (or whenever school starts in Portland).

The clock is ticking, and I hope that LE realizes that they have to assure the Skyline community that their children are not in danger because it is believed that this was a "family" situation gone bad. Without that reassurance, many parents are probably going to think twice about the safety of this close-knit school community. jmo

I would be nervous about sending my child to any school.

I would imagine that Skyline will be the most tight of schools.

 

[KeyboardCat]

Respectfully edited. At the risk of sounding like a broken record (those of you who are old enough know what this means ), I will repeat what I've said previously on a couple of threads.

If I were a parent who had a child/children at Skyline, I'd be getting very nervous about when and if there will be an arrest in this case. Unless there is some sound evidence that there isn't a child predator on the loose who abducted Kyron from the safety of his elementary school, I would be reluctant to send my child to Skyline come September (or whenever school starts in Portland).

The clock is ticking, and I hope that LE realizes that they have to assure the Skyline community that their children are not in danger because it is believed that this was a "family" situation gone bad. Without that reassurance, many parents are probably going to think twice about the safety of this close-knit school community. jmo

If I remember correctly, the police did say in a press conference that there was no danger to the community in relation to Kyron's disappearance. I would think that if there was even a small chance of this being the result of a child predator, they would be morally, ethically, and maybe even legally responsible to not make that statement.

I doubt that anyone would be more concerned of the inconvenience caused to that school by putting their security reputation down the pooper than even the small possibility that it would prevent this from happening to another child.

If my memory isn't totally shot, they did reassure other parents.

 

[KeyboardCat]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20007724-504083.html

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"It's not a search-and-rescue operation anymore," Gates said in a press conference.

He added that parents in the area need not take extra precautions with their children. Authorities have said since the earliest days of the investigation that they believe Kyron's disappearance was an isolated case.

"There is no reason to believe that the kids are in any danger here," Gates said.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

..."It's not a search-and-rescue operation anymore," Gates said in a press conference.

He added that parents in the area need not take extra precautions with their children. Authorities have said since the earliest days of the investigation that they believe Kyron's disappearance was an isolated case.

"There is no reason to believe that the kids are in any danger here," Gates said.

Respectfully edited. Yes, LE made this statement very early in the case - June 15. To date, July 9, there has been no arrest, no named suspect, no charges filed, no one in custody in the disappearance of Kyron Horman. I'm not sure that everyone in the Skyline community can feel positively certain that there is no danger to their children. If LE is convinced that this is an isolated case, they will need to act on their suspicions prior to the start of the school year. I would not feel that my child/children were guaranteed to be in a safe environment when little Kyron went missing without a trace from that building. jmo

 

[passionflower]

I have noticed a couple things in he latest pressers.
1. DY does not wear "KYRON MISSING" shirt...........is she sending TH a message???
2. She called Kaine, "YOUR HUSBAND".........not Kyron's dad.
3. DY said she blames TH and thinks that TH had help.
Are these hidden messages to TH???

 

[passionflower]

Another thought, LE may not pressure TH directly as in Trenton Ducket's case.
His mother took her secret to the grave with her by suicide.
If TH is mentally ill, the same thing could happen. JMOO

 

[TxLady2]

If everything that has been put out in the media the past few days is a strategy by LE, then I have to say it is one of the strangest cases I've ever seen. I can't recall any LE allowing the parents to hold press conferences and answer approved questions or to reveal details regarding a case, (they passed LDT's and Terri failed hers.) I can't recall any family picking and choosing which media outlet is allowed into their circle. I can't recall LE encouraging the parents to openly accuse the "suspect" and make statements such as "She is a liar, and has lied ever since I've known her." This is just strange in so many ways.
While my heart breaks for the parents, I can't help but feel like they're backing Terri into a corner and it may end their chances of finding Kyron. She's like a cornered animal... she might bite her own leg off to get out of the trap they've set. Now that she has a good lawyer, he is going to advise her to not say a word. He knows they don't really have sufficient evidence to charge her yet.
If they have focused their entire investigation on Terri, and it ends up being someone else, then a lot of people are going to end up looking pretty stupid.
I think they need a new strategy right about now.

 

[cluciano63]

I agree that if LE is behind of all Desiree's, Tony and Kaine's statements, it is not coming off as very professional to me. I don't blame the parents for speaking out, but I am glad that MCSO distanced their offices from what was being said yesterday. I hope they (MCSO) are being truthful in stating that they are not the source of whatever the parents are saying. I can't miagine LE advising them to put this type of relentless pressure on Terri unless they know that Kyron is dead. It has too much potential for backfiring.

 

[Emeralgem]

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Did DY actually say out loud the words she suspected TH had help? In the interviews I heard, she never said it in those words. I'm going daffy!

I think they desperately want to believe she had help.In order to preserve their sanity they need to believe she paid somone to hide Kyron and he is safe.. For them to entertain the thought she acted alone is entrely too painful for them to cope with at this time although I feel certain the thought has crossed their minds..JMO

 

[21merc7]

I have seen a few cases like this. I will not say anyone, including a stranger, is the perp. I do know that an entire family is literally bringing one already in need person down. And a town. I know that this can happen as favors for the ones not being brought down. Show one sign of instability after years of harassment and all of the other side will team against you. You will fall. The team will create situations, bargain, buy, sale souls to get whatever the goal is. You are just a pawn.

I don't know that this is what is happening. I don't know which member flipped their mind, or if it is a stranger.

I sit and wait. I hope an innocent is not being doomed to the now, and a child appears years later never having lost contact with some. Too late, the child's damage is done. No one seems to think of that. The adult's too.

If only one is the participant and it is TH, then the family would have known before. I do feel for her too, she has been driven by this insanity for longer than just this last couple of months, but if responsible, then so be it.

I see all as perps, including strangers, but all of this "stuff" is so out of control. It reminds me of the cases where I have seen just this. Team up, make it happen, and innocent person lives a life of he** for one or two persons desires.

Pressure on TH is not going to show a stable person. The team knows she was breaking he mind before Kyron went missing. She will make major mistakes that look insane now just because they want her too.

Anyone remember the film "Let's scare Jessica to Death"?

I do hope LE and FBI are looking in other directions, could be younger, older, what have you. Just does not feel right with this scary thing. The cases I speak of were wrong, and the perps lived free, but karma came around eventually. (Too late for the innocent accused wrongfully.)

Who is caring for Kyron? Looking for him? Wondering how he feels and will feel about all of this once older if he is alive? Have they killed him b/c their plan backfired?

 

[scandi]

Hi, I don't know where to put this as it could go on many threads.

In a TH discussion on HLN I just heard that Terri walked out of her first poly. That is why there was a 2nd poly given.


I'll keep a watch Mods and if I see a better place to put this, ans I will then delete it here. xox

 

[scandi]

I have to wonder what they plan to do next to apply more pressure.

I think so Kimster. On HLN just now a TH said she believes the intense public pressure being put on Terri right now is being done in case Kyron is alive out there somewhere. And since she has given up nothing, and could against her lawyer's advice if she wanted, this pressure might be the only way to make her give it up.

Maybe the method jives with what would work on a narcissistic or pathological personality :waitasec:


ETA: I read that here BTW, a poster stating the methodology of working with certain personalities. xox

 

[Kat]

Hi, I don't know where to put this as it could go on many threads.

In a TH discussion on HLN I just heard that Terri walked out of her first poly. That is why there was a 2nd poly given.


I'll keep a watch Mods and if I see a better place to put this, ans I will then delete it here. xox

Way off topic but we've seen a few people walk out on LDT's that were later found to be responsible for the crime for which they were getting a LDT...hmmm.

 

[scandi]

There was an interesting comment on JVM from a LE friend of hers. Interesting, that is in relationship to all the public pressure being put on her now by the family and she is still silent:

"How's Terri keeping it all together now? Does she have antifreeze in her veins?"

 

[scandi]

Also on JVM, a TH saying she is not a psychopath but a narcissistic sociopath and might have had a narcissistic explosion.

Hmm, never heard that term, but she was under pressure before he went missing acc to Kaine and the PPD so it could be, eh?

 

[Etilema]

After the round of interviews we saw today, I have a specific picture of what is going on in the investigation at this point. I think LE are sure TH is responsible, but there is no physical evidence of his demise, so they are very methodically going through every scrap of information, bit by bit, to track down what happened and who else may be involved. This means interviews, phone records, internet records, emails, video evidence, anything and everything that will help them find out what happened. The hope is that as they comb through all of this info, the pieces will fall into place. (I think that LE stated they discovered the murder-for-hire plot after finding that TH had hired a lawn guy without KH's knowledge. It caused them to look into that situation more.)

DY and KH said today that they did not believe TH would *ever* talk. That means it is up to the investigators to FIND the truth and find Kyron. Based on that, I don't think they are putting effort into psyching her out at this point, just as they are not putting their energies into a physical search. They are focused on examining every detail of TH's life until they have the evidence they need.

 

[aprilheeler]

All my own opinion, of course:

I have begun to wonder if TH is a little bit like me--I cannot abide factual errors. My dad (from whom I inherited this "disorder") calls it kleptofactomania: when I see a fact, I must possess it. I have, against my better instincts, corrected my boss when he misused a word (it had nothing to do with work, he just used what he thought was a correct colloquialism and he was using it incorrectly). As a child I told a puppeteer who "flew" a marionette ostrich that "Ostriches can't fly!" I'm constitutionally incapable of not going back to fix typos, and if I miss one I'm horrified.

If I had done something awful I'd probably clam up as well, knowing full well about the fifth amendment. Let them prove me guilty; they don't need my help. But if other parties to the case were giving interviews, talking about what they *say* they know of me, or what they *think* they know of me, it would drive me absolutely nuts to hear anything that, to me, was a misstatement. "No, I *wasn't* better after 12 months of PPD! Yes, I *did* cooperate with LE! No, I am *not* a habitual liar and how dare you insinuate that I am! And no, Kyron isn't coming home so kicking me out of the house so he has somewhere to come home to is *ridiculous*! I know what happened and you people don't know what you're talking about!"

It makes me wonder whether each statement that KH and DY make is calculated to add just a little more to the weight that's just got to be pressing down on TH.

I should add a disclaimer that I may be insufferable but I am essentially non-violent. :angel: I shudder to think what my online browsing history (heavy on crime) would do for my defense should I ever find myself suspected of a something unsavory.

 

[21merc7]

I have noticed a couple things in he latest pressers.
1. DY does not wear "KYRON MISSING" shirt...........is she sending TH a message???
2. She called Kaine, "YOUR HUSBAND".........not Kyron's dad.
3. DY said she blames TH and thinks that TH had help.
Are these hidden messages to TH???

I would not think so. Just think DY was burned by TH and KH when KH started romancing TH. DY got burned by TY in her mind and will never be able to like or trust her. She took her husband and raised on of her children so far. Would you like her in any way or trust her in any way? I sure couldn't.

The only hidden message is I hate you, you broke up my family, you are the cause of my misery for all these years and always will be.

DY appealing to TH is just not going to get anywhere really.

 

[GrainneDhu]

In the little bit of presser I got to see yesterday some LE officer said Terri is no longer cooperating and by that he said he meant she is not calling them with helpful info. I hope they are not "waiting" for her to call them, FGS.
That ain't gonna happen IMO> I know she has lawyered up, but can't they still call her to come in (with her atty) and question her, lay out the evidence they have and show her that all points to her, implore upon her to do the right thing....let her know shes screwed anyway and is going to be going away to jail, eventually, for quite awhile so she is gaining nothing by not telling the location of Kyron. Maybe give her some kindof "deal" (as much as I hate to say that) to tell them where this child is so his family can have closure.

SBM

In a word: No. None of the above.

The police have no power to force anyone who is not under arrest to come in and talk to them. They can request such a meeting but they cannot compel it.

If she is under arrest, they can talk to her but they cannot question her if she asserts her constitutional right to have her attorney present. And if her attorney is present, he is going to tell her not to answer anything, to keep asserting her fifth amendment right against self incrimination.

We live in a nation that provides a fair amount of protection for its citizens. Even if a particular case seems to justify bending or setting aside those protections, that is a road that the courts have not accepted.

Personally, I would not want to live in any country that did not have such protections or even to visit such a country. Bad, really bad things happen in such places.

What they could do is offer her immunity in return for her testimony. Such a move would be highly controversial, to say the least. And even if she were offered immunity at the state level, I bet her attorney would want immunity at the federal level as well (very difficult to get).

I don't know what she thinks she is gaining by sitting in KAINES house and saying and doing nothing. Does she think she can hole up there forever and this will just "go away"? I think she needs a serious check-up from the neck-up, she can't be mentally "right".

These are my thoughts right now and JMO.

abbie

Well, as to sitting in Kaine's house, that will be decided in the hearing 22 July.

What do you think she would gain from speaking out at this point? I ask seriously because I can't see any good that could come of it for her unless it is as part of a plea bargain.

And I am almost 100% certain that her lawyer would never advise her to try to cut a plea bargain before she has even been arrested. Why anticipate trouble or help it along? If she has something to proffer for a plea bargain, time enough to do so when it is clear what the charges are and what evidence LE has in their hand.

So, absent arrest and plea bargain, I really don't see any advantage for her from speaking to anyone, including LE, media or other parents. She can, so far as I can see, only harm herself.

 

[saba]

Also on JVM, a TH saying she is not a psychopath but a narcissistic sociopath and might have had a narcissistic explosion.

Hmm, never heard that term, but she was under pressure before he went missing acc to Kaine and the PPD so it could be, eh?

Narcissistic explosion. I just love that term. I think it means the expert has no idea.