Methods of putting pressure on a POI (aka "strategy")

[GrainneDhu]

I have to wonder what they plan to do next to apply more pressure.

Boy, I can think of so many things (all legal, so far as I know) that it's hard for me to predict which way they might go.

For instance, I believe KH said that LE had examined their computers. TMH seems like a heavy computer user, someone who uses the internet for recreation, emotional support and stress relief. So, citing the ongoing investigation into MFH, get a search warrant and seize her computer (if she has a new one; I assume her old one has already been seized). Pretty soon, money is going to be a big problem for her, so taking away this computer would take away a major part of her life.

Or put a 24/7 tail on her and make it completely obvious she is being followed everywhere she goes. Particularly if she moves in with her parents in Medford (which it seems like she almost has to do).

Figure out some pretext on which to impound the Mustang.

Make the rounds of interviewing her known friends again. They'll surely get back to her about it. And if LE should happen to ask questions about whether they ever saw any evidence that TMH took illegal drugs...

There's just so many ways they could go.

 

[Susan10]

I have to wonder what they plan to do next to apply more pressure.

I really believe this last move to remove TH from the family home is going to cause tremendous pressure. Where will she go? Can she move in with her dad? It will really force her options if effected.
Unless she has substantial money stashed somewhere, how could she afford to stay anywhere else?
It must gall KH pay for the lodging of the person he says had something to do with his son's disappearance.

 

[Forensic fan]

I agree. Having someone hold a child to later be released defies all logic. Involving unnecessary people which could later incriminate her also defies logic.

I hate typing out these words... but I feel that if blessed Kyron is still alive, its because she sold him knowing she would never again know of his safety or whereabouts (and I feel that is improbable), or a real stranger danger abduction. And we all know the statistics of what happens to a child within the first few hours of that happening. I pray for his safe return, but its difficult to remain optimistic. That was my first gut reaction. My second reaction was thinking that with all the confusion over doctor appointments, an unorganized school day due to the fair, no working security cameras... someone has set up a huge lawsuit to Skyline Elementary.[/QUOTE)

I wonder if Terri has a grudge against the school, did they ever refuse her a job, etc. ?

 

[human]

I think moving back with her parents at age 40 is not that appealing.

She did not fight to retain any visitation with her daughter.

If she moves back to Roseburg, I don't think that people will welcome her with open arms there either.

Her attorney is in Portland, but I imagine she could do phone calls .

If it's true her cell phone pings show her on Sauvie, what could be worse than what she is facing now? Why doesn't she tell what she was doing?

 

[eyes4crime]

Narcissistic explosion. I just love that term. I think it means the expert has no idea.

LOL nothing like giving a visual image to the word "rage".

Narcissistic rage = explosion! Soon it will be a torpedo

 

[Donjeta]

If you have someone give a statement like this will it reassure or scare the perp?

Former Multnomah County prosecutor Jim McIntyre said an arrest in this case has not been made because, “You have to be able to identify specifically what crime you’re going to charge. You can’t simply say, ‘you’re under arrest because everyone thinks you did something.’ I mean, you have to have evidence, more likely than not, that you committed a specific crime.”

What's the message the perp takes home? "We know you did it", or "we can't prove anything"?
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98150609.html

 

[21merc7]

I think moving back with her parents at age 40 is not that appealing.

She did not fight to retain any visitation with her daughter.

If she moves back to Roseburg, I don't think that people will welcome her with open arms there either.

Her attorney is in Portland, but I imagine she could do phone calls .

If it's true her cell phone pings show her on Sauvie, what could be worse than what she is facing now? Why doesn't she tell what she was doing?

Living with parents sucks, but she is unemployed, so, you can do whatever you have to comes to mind.

She will be in Court on the 22nd about baby k.

Other two are rhetorical.

Last one, I would think her lawyer knows if she was at Sauvie and why by now. Probably LE by now too.

JMO as always.

 

[21merc7]

If you have someone give a statement like this will it reassure or scare the perp?



What's the message the perp takes home? "We know you did it", or "we can't prove anything"?
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98150609.html

It means Kyron could be anywhere, anyone could have done something with or to him. They simply do not know, they have no evidence of anything yet.

Sad for Kyron.

 

[kbl8201]

my idea of pressure on a poi/suspect is an interrrogation room where the suspect has waived right to counsel.

sure this leads to many false confessions, but in a case liike this, if you get her to lead you to a body you can work from there.

 

[human]

Living with parents sucks, but she is unemployed, so, you can do whatever you have to comes to mind.

She will be in Court on the 22nd about baby k.

Other two are rhetorical.

Last one, I would think her lawyer knows if she was at Sauvie and why by now. Probably LE by now too.

JMO as always.

don't ask me for the link, please_ I have no idea where it is and if it's true. But she had some amount of days to respond to the RO and apparently she didn't.

So if that is true, she doesn't have much of a leg to stand on in custody, I would think.

 

[Donjeta]

don't ask me for the link, please_ I have no idea where it is and if it's true. But she had some amount of days to respond to the RO and apparently she didn't.

So if that is true, she doesn't have much of a leg to stand on in custody, I would think.

Even without the RO she might have a hard time getting custody since the father has an income and the house that the child is used to living in and she does not appear to.

 

[southern_scout]

JEN! What a killer first post!

 

[Donjeta]

I don't know if it was intended that way but the police asking for videos about people who saw the missing child after I did and saying they were dotting their i's and crossing their t's might make me a bit nervous.

 

[JenB]

JEN! What a killer first post!

Ha! Thanks, Scout. First thread, not my first post. I had "strategery" in the title as a tribute to Dubya, but I think it was interpreted as a typo. Or an inappropriate insult.

I have seen people on various boards claiming that there is a new protocol for dealing with missing kids, but none of those people have chimed in here, yet.

 

[TxLady2]

If you have someone give a statement like this will it reassure or scare the perp?



What's the message the perp takes home? "We know you did it", or "we can't prove anything"?
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98150609.html

Depends on the perp, I guess. You could add "yet" to the 2nd sentence, and it might shake someone's sense of security a little.
The point is... he is absolutely right. They do need evidence.. known as probable cause... to arrest and charge someone, AND they have to know what crime was committed. As yet, they apparently don't have that.
Hopefully, they will have it soon.
If they can find Kyron... that will speed it up, I think.

 

[miabellamoure]

If someone else is involved and Terri is aware of it insofar as she cooperated with the accomplice to abduct Kyron, and Kyron is alive, then I firmly believe Terri removed him from the home in a misguided attempt to protect him from something or someone.

In as much of TH's actions have shown us...I'd dare say "protecting" Kyron was the last thing on her list of things she was planning but, more than likely quite the opposite!:furious:

 

[miabellamoure]

If this is being discussed elsewhere, please move the thread as you see fit.

Given KH and DY's long pause when asked about possible accomplices, I wonder if some of their media strategy isn't geared toward another person, in addition to Terri.

It stood out to me that The Oregonian and Willamette Week were two publications pointed out as not "playing nice," and were asked to leave press conferences last week... but it appears KH is giving exclusive interviews to these pubs this week. I wonder if last week's shunning of these outlets was part of a plan that's no longer necessary.

Because the media strategy employed in this case is so different that what I've seen before, I wonder if a discussion of it might provide a useful case study for the future. I've seen people posting about new strategies being used in this case, as though there is a new standard being rolled out to LE for use in dealing with the media in missing persons cases -- is this part of it?

Again, if this thread is inappropriate please move it -- it's my first new thread and I'm nervous!

I also was thinking this same thing...especially with the most recent media coverage of the student who confirmed seeing Kyron in the gym with friends and also mentioning seeing the truck.

At first, I was thinking...why in the heck are his parents allowing him to speak to the media...then, it occurred to me...strategy, it's all a strategy to leak out a little bit at a time of what LE wants leaked out in an effort to corner TH (& accomplice?) with no where to go but, fold & tell all.

I also think that certain things that have been mentioned are done in such a way that to you & I would mean nothing but, EVERYTHING to TH.

At least I hope this is whats going on and I hope it works and Kyron will be returned home to his family sooner than later.

 

[cluciano63]

I am trying to figure out what the charge against Terri will be if Kyron is not found and yet she is charged fairly soon. Usually in cases without a body, no one is charged with murder for quite a while, but that may be different in the case of a child, when the child obviously did not leave to start a new life, as defense attorneys always say. And kidnapping does not sound right, if she had the legal right to remove him from school.

If they can prove Terri left with Kyron, I think it is evident that something happened to him under her care, but what, exactly, is the question. It will be tricky for the defense, as no defense lawyer wants to say, "She didn't kill him, she just...? " Did what with him? What could there be that would not be a felony?