Mexico Mexico - David Hartley, 30, Lake Falcon, 30 Sept 2010 #2

[hollyblue]

Just some info on CalFrac if anyone is interested. Didn't find any jobs listed in Colorado. One for a contractor in Canada. I don't think DH was or had attended any classes at any universities....especially in Mexico and haven't read anything in any articles that I know of.

The company is a competitor of Halliburton, and has operations in Arkansas. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Surely there would be some pull to Hillary for help? lol. JK.

http://www.calfrac.com/pdf/IR/2010/C6-30_Corp Prof_v11.pdf

 

[akashana]

Here's the problem I have with her involvement. Why in Gawd's name involve Mexican terrorists, because that's who those cartels are comprised of, in a murder plot? Why throw out descriptions of men who are capable of beheading police investigators? Unless ties are revealed between the couple and these cartels we haven't yet seen, I find it extremely unlikely that this young American woman pulled a bunch of bloodthirsty Mexican outlaws into her alibi/story. It's suicidal.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

What descriptions? She's repeated over and over she can't remember what they looked like. Nor did she, as I recall, ever herself throw out the theory that they were drug cartel members. That came from other sources, like Sheriff Sigi, IIRC.

 

[belimom]

Not sure if this has been posted:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/10/16/wife-gives-nd-statement-border-lake-shooting/

Mexico 'Pirate Attack' Wife Gives New Details

"MEXICO CITY -- The wife of an American tourist reported shot to death by pirates on a border lake has given helpful new details about the incident to Mexican authorities, the federal government said Saturday....(snipped)...

 

[Salem]

The linked article says DH was shot in the neck????? Every story and every article has said shot in the head. Is this just a typo or what? I think it is weird!

Salem

"Mrs. Hartley said that pirates shot her husband in the neck and that she barely escaped when they shot at her when she tried to retrieve him." http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/10/16/wife-gives-nd-statement-border-lake-shooting/

 

[hollyblue]

The linked article says DH was shot in the neck????? Every story and every article has said shot in the head. Is this just a typo or what? I think it is weird!

Salem

"Mrs. Hartley said that pirates shot her husband in the neck and that she barely escaped when they shot at her when she tried to retrieve him." http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/10/16/wife-gives-nd-statement-border-lake-shooting/

There was another report upthread that mentioned him being shot twice....so maybe there was truth in it...but why didn't she say so or did this report come from someone else who may have seen the body? Unnamed sources? Need some clarification for these reports. IMO

 

[Tuffy]

Not sure if this has been posted:

Mexico 'Pirate Attack' Wife Gives New Details

I think it's interesting that she's giving new details two weeks after the shooting. Now that the search has been called off, she gives new details... TWO WEEKS later!?

She has told her story to how many reporters, how many times, and just now there are new details? :sheesh:

 

[rbrnmw2]

I think it's interesting that she's giving new details two weeks after the shooting. Now that the search has been called off, she gives new details... TWO WEEKS later!?

She has told her story to how many reporters, how many times, and just now there are new details? :sheesh:

I have been following this story my theory is that this is a scam that got more attention than they thought it would I don't know I have a feeling he isn't dead

 

[crystalgenie]

On Tuesday, Terry Green stood in front of her mobile home as she watched the sun set behind a U.S. Border Patrol mobile home positioned along the lake's shore. She said she was out on the lake with her husband when the shooting is said to have happened. She didn’t hear any gunshots.

“You don't live in Mexico for years and not make any contacts,” Terry Green said, referring to the time the Hartleys spent in Reynosa, where David Hartley served as a station manager for Calfrac Well Services Ltd., an oil field services firm. “His body was big. (Young-Hartley) said she tried to bring him back. … She would have gotten shot. Everybody has suspicions out here.”

http://www.valleymorningstar.com/news/reputation-82308-taints-tiny.html

At least I'm not alone... in my suspicions.... Things that make you go 'hmmmm'.

 

[Trident]

On Tuesday, Terry Green stood in front of her mobile home as she watched the sun set behind a U.S. Border Patrol mobile home positioned along the lake's shore. She said she was out on the lake with her husband when the shooting is said to have happened. She didn’t hear any gunshots.

“You don't live in Mexico for years and not make any contacts,” Terry Green said, referring to the time the Hartleys spent in Reynosa, where David Hartley served as a station manager for Calfrac Well Services Ltd., an oil field services firm. “His body was big. (Young-Hartley) said she tried to bring him back. … She would have gotten shot. Everybody has suspicions out here.”

http://www.valleymorningstar.com/news/reputation-82308-taints-tiny.html

At least I'm not alone... in my suspicions.... Things that make you go 'hmmmm'.

Sometimes I wonder if we aren't too suspicious of everything that happens because day after day we delve into murder and mayhem. Sometimes, and I think this is one of them, bad things do happen just the way people said they did. I can see no fault in this woman and my heart goes out to her and David's family in their grief.

 

[packerdog]

Sometimes I wonder if we aren't too suspicious of everything that happens because day after day we delve into murder and mayhem. Sometimes, and I think this is one of them, bad things do happen just the way people said they did. I can see no fault in this woman and my heart goes out to her and David's family in their grief.

Amen, Trident. Sometimes bad things happen to good, innocent people.

 

[AnaTeresa]

Sometimes I wonder if we aren't too suspicious of everything that happens because day after day we delve into murder and mayhem. Sometimes, and I think this is one of them, bad things do happen just the way people said they did. I can see no fault in this woman and my heart goes out to her and David's family in their grief.

I agree, Trident. I think sometimes, because we've seen so many crimes here, we expect people to behave a certain way - and when they don't, we presume guilt. It's unfortunate, to me, that TH is viewed with this suspicion, particularly when we have law enforcement stating on the record they believe her account of events. Until more information becomes available, to me, she is simply the victim of tragic circumstances.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I have been following this story my theory is that this is a scam that got more attention than they thought it would I don't know I have a feeling he isn't dead

If a scam, what could the motive be? I don't agree it is a scam, because I do believe what we have heard from family and friends about what a nice couple they were, and what a fine young man he was. How could someone with the character they described have done this to his parents?! That would so horribly cruel, and I can't see what good they (DH and TH) would get out of it, and it seems to me that there would be some law they would be prosecuted for. Fraud?

 

[CathyinTexas]

On Tuesday, Terry Green stood in front of her mobile home as she watched the sun set behind a U.S. Border Patrol mobile home positioned along the lake's shore. She said she was out on the lake with her husband when the shooting is said to have happened. She didn’t hear any gunshots.

“You don't live in Mexico for years and not make any contacts,” Terry Green said, referring to the time the Hartleys spent in Reynosa, where David Hartley served as a station manager for Calfrac Well Services Ltd., an oil field services firm. “His body was big. (Young-Hartley) said she tried to bring him back. … She would have gotten shot. Everybody has suspicions out here.”

http://www.valleymorningstar.com/news/reputation-82308-taints-tiny.html

At least I'm not alone... in my suspicions.... Things that make you go 'hmmmm'.

Interesting, but.... The lake is very long and the distance from the shore the woman is on and the purported shooting incidence is quite far. I am not surprised from that location she didn't hear gun shots. Also, she herself made note of having contacts when living in Mexico. I don't doubt that anyone in that area has come in contact with these drug cartels, but maybe unknowingly. She could be connected to them in some tangible way and out of fear or support for them, may be trying to do damage control, and deflect to help the local economy.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I agree, Trident. I think sometimes, because we've seen so many crimes here, we expect people to behave a certain way - and when they don't, we presume guilt. It's unfortunate, to me, that TH is viewed with this suspicion, particularly when we have law enforcement stating on the record they believe her account of events. Until more information becomes available, to me, she is simply the victim of tragic circumstances.

I have heard the sheriff say they had more credible information that he COULD NOT divulge. This is an investigation and they always keep evidence "close to the vest" Why would we expect for them to share with the public all information or evidence they have in THIS case? Why would they tip off the drug cartels? Maybe the reason they have cleared her is because they KNOW she didn't lie, because of evidence they have. I am surprised that some still believe this didn't happen as she said, because of the tragic murder of the lead Mexican investigator in this case. That should put to rest the doubts, but apparently it hasn't.

 

[hollyblue]

It's very possible they both are innocent....just not probable if the cartel was involved. Not to mention her story has changed numerable times.

Since the FBI is involved...and they start backing in to their finances, I believe it will lend to tell many things. Hinky or not.

Per her facebook, it doesn't seem she had too many close friends to go out and hang around with other than the husband. Curious if her phone records will reveal the same. Just my O, but I think she spent most of her time in TX rather than MX. I don't know how much time he spent away from the home in traveling for his job, nor if the neighborhood was mainly English speaking, as she didn't speak any Spanish....or very little according to her. Don't think she particularly liked living there, but liked the extra money it afforded them. Regarding the seminar, many people go to get ideas for their finances, not just because they are in financial trouble necessarily. The people holding them are looking for financial gain also....either thru a paid program or the selling of tapes, dvr's or books. If he was salaried, more than likely, he could be investing in Carfrac stock also and might have had a nice nest egg building.

JMO

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I have heard the sheriff say they had more credible information that he COULD NOT divulge. This is an investigation and they always keep evidence "close to the vest" Why would we expect for them to share with the public all information or evidence they have in THIS case? Why would they tip off the drug cartels? Maybe the reason they have cleared her is because they KNOW she didn't lie, because of evidence they have. I am surprised that some still believe this didn't happen as she said, because of the tragic murder of the lead Mexican investigator in this case. That should put to rest the doubts, but apparently it hasn't.

The problem with the murder of the investigator is that it need not have anything to do with the case, per se. The cartels don't want anyone snooping around about anything for any reason, and his murder could have been intended as a reminder of that and nothing more.

 

[hollyblue]

If a scam, what could the motive be? I don't agree it is a scam, because I do believe what we have heard from family and friends about what a nice couple they were, and what a fine young man he was. How could someone with the character they described have done this to his parents?! That would so horribly cruel, and I can't see what good they (DH and TH) would get out of it, and it seems to me that there would be some law they would be prosecuted for. Fraud?

No one knows what goes on behind closed doors between people. Just sayin...

Even tho it was approximately 15 years ago, I'd like to know why he quit HS where he met TH and had to get a GED. According to one article, he was into bull riding while in HS. May be nothing...but may tell a little something of his past and decision making.

Interesting, but.... The lake is very long and the distance from the shore the woman is on and the purported shooting incidence is quite far. I am not surprised from that location she didn't hear gun shots. Also, she herself made note of having contacts when living in Mexico. I don't doubt that anyone in that area has come in contact with these drug cartels, but maybe unknowingly. She could be connected to them in some tangible way and out of fear or support for them, may be trying to do damage control, and deflect to help the local economy.

BBM Huh? Could you expand on this...I'm not quite getting it?

 

[GrapeOne]

Watching TH I don't get the sense that she is lying, she is not looking off to the side as she speaks, yet there are a few things that seem odd about the story as she tells it.

1. In the one interview with just audio, she speaks of his ring she has on, and says it's not the one she gave him for their wedding as if to explain why she would have this ring knowing the body should have a ring on and then she goes on to say that it is the one he wears and then offers another excuse that they leave their rings at home when they jet ski. It's like she's thinking of answers of what others are going to question as she is speaking. I'm curious if there are pictures of her directly after this occurred and is she wearing a ring.?

2. She says David tried to protect her and didn't tell her that he was robbed of their rent money when they lived in Mexico. Then how did she find out?

3. She says she will "think" about taking a polygraph if she is asked instead of saying "of course I will take one, I'll take one now!"

4. She mentioned they felt McAllen was safe to raise their family but then goes on to say a family was her idea not his. She then goes into a big explanation about how he would be as a father and that they talked about that. I find that odd she went on about that. Also, if he did not want a family, this would bring in a reason why she wants him gone.

5. I also find it odd that she said David asked to be cremated. When asked where she would lay him to rest she said "um, actually, he wants to be cremated...so...is what he was wanting." She is using present tense "he wants" and then the past "is what he was wanting." You would say he wants to be cremated when it is someone who is not yet dead but made that request. Why cremation though...if something fishy has happened and they find the body, that destroys the evidence which just makes me wonder...hmmm

Another discrepancy I thought I saw was in some reports there were 2 boats and others there were 3.

If she is completely innocent, I can understand why she might not want to say she saw who was chasing her and who killed her husband as she will end up dead after seeing what happened to the Mexican officer.

 

[fran]

FWIW, in an earlier post I spoke of how my son and his family regularly visited his wife's inlaws in Metamoris. He'd told me previously that Metamoris was safe.....................He told me tonite that they are no longer going to go to Metamoris until things get better. Even his BIL and SIL and their family, who have a beautiful home in Metamoris, not to mention lots of relatives, have moved over to their home in Brownsville. I guess most of the people in Metamoris who have money are fleeing to Brownsville or anywhere else that's safer!

JMHO
fran

PS and YES, I believe Mrs. Hartley...fran



http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/-118189--.html

Private detective: Baby Zetas killed Hartley

EDINBURG — While Mexican officials have put the search for McAllen man David Michael Hartley on hold indefinitely, a local man believes he has many of the answers to the mystery of the disappearance.

Hartley, 30, is widely presumed dead after what his wife, Tiffany Young-Hartley, has described as an attack by cartel "pirates" on the Mexican side of Falcon Reservoir, which spans that country’s border with the United States.

She has said three boats of gunmen opened fire on them, fatally shooting her husband in the head, as the couple rode separate personal watercraft during a sightseeing trip to a partially submerged church in the abandoned Mexican town of Old Guerrero.

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