Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #1

[JerseyGirl]

found another post using that same search

Google translate:

[Help us to share the search for the missing girl from China who was traveling in "Mexico".] My companion named "CHEN QUN DAN (JENNY)" is originally from China WenZhouLu, studied at the University of trade in ZheJiang. I get to travel alone to Mexico, and takes more than 15 days to lose touch with her, the last time you contacted us was 21:33 hours schedule BEIJING on 11 April of this, at that time I said that He is staying at the house of a friend who was homosexual, and had a plan to travel to Cancun for 4 days of hitch hiking (which in Mexico is asking for a "Ray"), later and has not been updated states in their social networks, All way to try E communicate with her and failed WE HAVE BEEN ask your help ya share this important message are extremely concerned by relatives Ella "Thank you so much" her husband Contact: .. HTTPS: //www.facebook .com / jonathan.reinhard.9
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http://www.onemex.com/thread-65154-1-1.html

 

[LisaWL7TR]

RSBM

Did the book or movie specifically say her marriage was destroyed? I recall their divorce as amicable and they got matching tattoos but specifically where I got that, I'm not sure. I read the book before seeing the movie, but I'd already known of her as Sugar, well-known for saying in her column that "wanting to leave is enough."

Go, even though you love him.
Go, even though he is kind and faithful and dear to you.
Go, even though he's your best friend and you're his.
Go, even though you can't imagine your life without him.
Go, even though he adores you and your leaving will devastate him.
Go, even though your friends will be disappointed or surprised or pissed off or all three.
Go, even though you once said you would stay.
Go, even though you're afraid of being alone.
Go, even though you're sure no one will ever love you as well as he does.
Go, even though there is nowhere to go.
Go, even though you don't know exactly why you can't stay.
Go, because you want to.
Because wanting to leave is enough.​

I can't shake the feeling that Jenny decided to move on and that JR was well aware of it but not willing to be upfront with others. She was supposed to fly to Cuba and to NY. Has JR or her family mentioned verifying, or even attempting to, whether she did or not? In interviews he's given different dates for when she was supposed to return (to Seattle?) and IIRC one was a specific day in July. Would his hearing something in 30-45 days magically coincide with her planned return?

I posted a link (#776) a few posts back to an interview with JR early June and he mentioned...should know something about Jenny in 30-60 days.

I can search for the link but but on my phone...and not sure how to multi task.

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[LisaWL7TR]

I posted a link (#776) a few posts back to an interview with JR early June and he mentioned...should know something about Jenny in 30-60 days.

I can search for the link but but on my phone...and not sure how to multi task.

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Found it.
http://nwasianweekly.com/2016/06/hu...-of-seattle-was-last-seen-in-april-in-oaxaca/

Comments are interesting and I believe have been discussed before.

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[Jen Darme]

I posted a link (#776) a few posts back to an interview with JR early June and he mentioned...should know something about Jenny in 30-60 days.

I can search for the link but but on my phone...and not sure how to multi task.

No need, thanks! Just the low end of that range, 30 days, seems so nonchalant when referring to a missing person.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

No need, thanks! Just the low end of that range, 30 days, seems so nonchalant when referring to a missing person.

It is above in #820 but does seem as though he knows when she will be found.

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[ninij9]

Following this case, I think I finally have come to these C conclusions:

1. Jenny really is missing.(not an easy conclusion because I don't trust her husband).
2. Mexican Authorities are cooperating with Jenny's Family.
3. Husband is exploiting this situation for attention/financial gain.
4. Husband MAY be complicit. (On fence).
5. Corona is a red herring, and is being exploited for financial gain by husband.
6. Jenny is most likely deceased.
7. Most likely will never know. This is Mexico. They cannot/will not, find their own missing mostly due to corrupted officers and politicians.

Where are you Jenny?

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[fridaybaker]

A couple thoughts here: The comparison between the woman hiker and Chris McCandless of "Into the Wild" is interesting. Of course, it's possible that Jenny was imitating/inspired by/etc. that hiker and had fashioned her own trip based on this kind of thing, but there are really glaring differences as well. The hiker who set off on the PCT and McCandless were embracing wilderness and seclusion in deeply personal soul-searching journeys. They weren't on their i-phones every five minutes and seemingly determined to meet up with and interact with every stranger they could as fast as they could. There is something very singular about Jenny's trip, which I think many here find odd: Her stated motive, at least the only one we've been privy to at this point seems to be to "confront fear". What does that mean? Most of us confront fear every day -the fear of losing our job, the fear of not finding a job, the fear of safety when living in a big city, the fear of growing old with few accomplishments, the fear of losing our life partner, the fear of snakes coming into the house (okay, there was one in my kitchen this morning!) Life is full of fears. I'm just not sure how planning a trip by oneself into a notoriously unsafe, at least right now, and especially for "Americans", country, full of desperate poverty and repeatedly, purposefully, putting oneself at the mercy of absolute strangers, is very constructive in confronting fear. This isn't a world where people meet up with families in little villages dotting the countryside where the inhabitants have been steeped in morality. The world is more depraved than ever. There are precious few places in the world these days where people don't lock their doors at night. Considering the near-constant interaction with media, social and otherwise these days, everyone knows this.

There's confronting the kind of fear that is integral to life and learning to deal with it, which is what everyone must do in life, and then there's actively putting oneself in dangerous situations and hoping you come out of it without being raped, abducted and sold into slavery, murdered, etc. I think everyone here is interested in figuring out what happened to Jenny and wants to contribute to that, but what information do we have to go on? Virtually nothing, and a situation that seems almost unbelievable. Is she really missing? Is she missing, but one of her relatives doesn't want her found? Is she missing, but she/they planned it? Is she missing, but not from where we've been led to believe? (I find the comment about finding something in 30 - 60 days seems like JR knows what will be found out about her and when.) I certainly wish that all family of missing persons could give us such a timeline.

And here's another question. From what a poster recently wrote here, her brother in China says his family is very concerned, and urged her to come home, that this travel was "unsafe", or words to that effect. Really? No kidding. Wouldn't a husband think the same thing?

I guess I just have more questions than ideas as to what happened to this woman, except that I find it highly likely that a woman in her situation would go missing and, unfortunately, never be found. But where does the strange spouse come in? As a previous poster mentioned -not really part of the picture, except for an "after-the-fact" sort of way, wherein one finds a way to profit from the unforeseen disappearance? My money's on that scenario.

 

[Jen Darme]

Found it.
http://nwasianweekly.com/2016/06/hu...-of-seattle-was-last-seen-in-april-in-oaxaca/

Comments are interesting and I believe have been discussed before.

They are. He seems to spend quite a bit of time controlling the narrative. (Thank you!)

He's quoted using the word "answers" four times in that article: the answer he's seeking will come from the truck driver, close to "some" answers, with coordinated efforts there'll be answers "soon," and "“I firmly believe we’ll have some answers in the next 30 to 60 days.” And when asked if he thought his wife was in trouble, he said, "yes."
:gaah:

Nothing new to the thread but I did find old articles saying she was due back July 4th and July 5th. The Seattle Times article, dated May 19, says she was supposed to be in Cuba that week but "she never got on the flight."

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...co-adventure-turns-into-nightmare-for-family/
http://komonews.com/news/local/seat...oes-missing-during-backpacking-trip-to-mexico

I must have imagined reading that she was (also) expected later in July.

ETA: The article with the 30-60 days quote was published June 9th.

 

[x_files]

Jumping in, haven't read more than the first few posts....apologies for any of these immediate thoughts that have already been discussed or dismissed.
First, this is completely bonkers for this woman to be "couch-surfing" around Mexico on her own. Nutso. I'm sure there are plenty of people who think it's perfectly safe. I vacation in the resort spots a couple times a year, and venture in to some of the remote spots to do some charity work....with several known locals. I can assure you it is absolutely not safe to venture off the path on your own; especially if you are female.

Given her "exotic" looks and petite frame, my first thought is that she has been taken against her will, and is being made to work in a brothel.
The locals in the bars would be happy to escort a potential customer to a brothel for a fee. Alternatively, the local church might be able to help.
If she's in a brothel, she's a money maker, so she will have to be bought to get her out.

I have lots of naive college aged friends who go couch surfing in Mexico, it scares me but they do not see it as dangerous.
I hope Jenny is ok, but since she was married and not a single woman -why did she go alone? Why not with other female friends?

 

[x_files]

Following this case, I think I finally have come to these C conclusions:

1. Jenny really is missing.(not an easy conclusion because I don't trust her husband).
2. Mexican Authorities are cooperating with Jenny's Family.
3. Husband is exploiting this situation for attention/financial gain.
4. Husband MAY be complicit. (On fence).
5. Corona is a red herring, and is being exploited for financial gain by husband.
6. Jenny is most likely deceased.
7. Most likely will never know. This is Mexico. They cannot/will not, find their own missing mostly due to corrupted officers and politicians.

Where are you Jenny?

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any proof she made it to Mexico alive?
Any photos?

 

[ninij9]

any proof she made it to Mexico alive?
Any photos?

Her Facebook page documents her journey up until her missing date.

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[moonriverfarm]

RSBM

Did the book or movie specifically say her marriage was destroyed? I recall their divorce as amicable and they got matching tattoos but specifically where I got that, I'm not sure. I read the book before seeing the movie, but I'd already known of her as Sugar, well-known for saying in her column that "wanting to leave is enough."

Go, even though you love him.
Go, even though he is kind and faithful and dear to you.
Go, even though he's your best friend and you're his.
Go, even though you can't imagine your life without him.
Go, even though he adores you and your leaving will devastate him.
Go, even though your friends will be disappointed or surprised or pissed off or all three.
Go, even though you once said you would stay.
Go, even though you're afraid of being alone.
Go, even though you're sure no one will ever love you as well as he does.
Go, even though there is nowhere to go.
Go, even though you don't know exactly why you can't stay.
Go, because you want to.
Because wanting to leave is enough.​

I can't shake the feeling that Jenny decided to move on and that JR was well aware of it but not willing to be upfront with others. She was supposed to fly to Cuba and to NY. Has JR or her family mentioned verifying, or even attempting to, whether she did or not? In interviews he's given different dates for when she was supposed to return (to Seattle?) and IIRC one was a specific day in July. Would his hearing something in 30-45 days magically coincide with her planned return?

Wait - Cheryl Strayed is "Sugar"?

 

[Jen Darme]

Wait - Cheryl Strayed is "Sugar"?

Yep.

The New Yorker: Dear Sugar's True Identity

Vulture: 10 of the Best ‘Dear Sugar’ Advice Columns by Wild Author Cheryl Strayed

Salon: HBO is adapting Cheryl Strayed’s “Dear Sugar” columns: Here are her 5 most essential pieces of advice

 

[walkingdeadgirl]

Is there a strong reason we believe JR's assertion that he never met up with Jenny, as they had planned?

 

[Lilibet]

RSBM

Did the book or movie specifically say her marriage was destroyed? I recall their divorce as amicable and they got matching tattoos but specifically where I got that, I'm not sure. I read the book before seeing the movie, but I'd already known of her as Sugar, well-known for saying in her column that "wanting to leave is enough."

Go, even though you love him.
Go, even though he is kind and faithful and dear to you.
Go, even though he's your best friend and you're his.
Go, even though you can't imagine your life without him.
Go, even though he adores you and your leaving will devastate him.
Go, even though your friends will be disappointed or surprised or pissed off or all three.
Go, even though you once said you would stay.
Go, even though you're afraid of being alone.
Go, even though you're sure no one will ever love you as well as he does.
Go, even though there is nowhere to go.
Go, even though you don't know exactly why you can't stay.
Go, because you want to.
Because wanting to leave is enough.​

I can't shake the feeling that Jenny decided to move on and that JR was well aware of it but not willing to be upfront with others. She was supposed to fly to Cuba and to NY. Has JR or her family mentioned verifying, or even attempting to, whether she did or not? In interviews he's given different dates for when she was supposed to return (to Seattle?) and IIRC one was a specific day in July. Would his hearing something in 30-45 days magically coincide with her planned return?

BBM

I believe it was the Wikipedia article I linked about the movie that said her marriage was destroyed or words to that effect. I've never read the book or seen the movie so I don't know how they presented it. The fact that her ex sent her supplies and supportive notes tells me their relationship was or became amicable.

I agree that it's quite possible Jenny had decided to move on. I believe it was verified that she did not board a flight to Cuba FWIW. Of course, moving on doesn't mean that something bad hasn't happened to her that JR doesn't know about. I certainly hope she is safe.

OT--Beware! Rant ahead--JMO, MOO--I had never seen the piece from Sugar/Cheryl's column. I just have to stand up and say that I think "Wanting to leave is enough" is extremely self-involved and potentially damaging advice. I really hope Jenny didn't follow it. Call me old fashioned. It's OK. I'm very proud and happy that as two children of divorce my husband and I will have the satisfaction and joy of celebrating 50 years of love and adventures in September. There are many times I've wanted to leave for no reason other than my own issues, but I honored my marriage vows/commitment. So has my husband. We are two very imperfect people with lots of baggage who married in college and who periodically strongly clash on certain issues large and small. But we love each other fiercely and vowed to do so in good or bad times, which we have done. It's possible we could have been better off with other partners or alone, but we chose not to find out.

All the "even thoughs" on that list are reasons we have stayed together and did not dispose of our mate. Was it messy and inconvenient at times? Sure. Life is messy and inconvenient. Was it joyful at times. Sure. Life is joyful. Was it boring at times? Sure. Life is boring. And life is not only about me, myself and I. Just "wanting to leave," when you have made a commitment to another human being, is NOT enough. "Earn" your leaving by trying your hardest to stay and make it work. You may be glad you did. We are!

I don't mean this rant as a criticism of anyone who has ended their marriage or relationship. I just feel the need to counteract this particular advice with my personal experience and opinion, in the hope that anyone who thinks "wanting to leave is enough" will give it some thought before leaving. I realize many will disagree with me and that's OK. I don't want to derail the thread. End rant.

ETA--I didn't realize until reading a link about Sugar's advice that "Wanting to leave is enough" was written to her twenty-year-old self about breaking up with a college boyfriend. That's a quite different context than leaving a committed relationship, and in that case, I agree. But I do stand by my opinion that it's poor advice for anyone in a committed relationship who reads it as applying to everyone. JMO

 

[Lilibet]

Is there a strong reason we believe JR's assertion that he never met up with Jenny, as they had planned?

AFAIK We only have JR's word that Jenny did not show up in Cancun. So I guess whether that's a strong reason to believe him is up to LE. Personally, I'm not sure whether I believe him. The only thing tipping the balance for me to believe him is that he has publicized Jenny's disappearance. But even that isn't absolutely conclusive evidence for me to believe him. When he was questioned about Jenny's whereabouts by her family, he may have had to spring into "action" such as it is. JMO

 

[fridaybaker]

"Go, even though you love him.
Go, even though he is kind and faithful and dear to you.
Go, even though he's your best friend and you're his.
Go, even though you can't imagine your life without him.
Go, even though he adores you and your leaving will devastate him.
Go, even though your friends will be disappointed or surprised or pissed off or all three.
Go, even though you once said you would stay.
Go, even though you're afraid of being alone.
Go, even though you're sure no one will ever love you as well as he does.
Go, even though there is nowhere to go.
Go, even though you don't know exactly why you can't stay.
Go, because you want to.
Because wanting to leave is enough."


Words fail me.

 

[walkingdeadgirl]

AFAIK We only have JR's word that Jenny did not show up in Cancun. So I guess whether that's a strong reason to believe him is up to LE. Personally, I'm not sure whether I believe him. The only thing tipping the balance for me to believe him is that he has publicized Jenny's disappearance. But even that isn't absolutely conclusive evidence for me to believe him. When he was questioned about Jenny's whereabouts by her family, he may have had to spring into "action" such as it is. JMO

He makes me think of Tricia Todd. Her ex-husband acted concerned that she was missing, and donated money to the search efforts for her, to throw off LE.

Except JR is using everyone else's money.

Moo.

 

[Lilibet]

He makes me think of Tricia Todd. Her ex-husband acted concerned that she was missing, and donated money to the search efforts for her, to throw off LE.

Except JR is using everyone else's money.

Moo.

I hadn't followed Tricia's case. How tragic. And how creepy of her husband.

 

[Claudius]

That notebook to me looks like a drug ledger. "Kilos de tortilla" with the frequent dates is very odd to me. That's a lot of tortillas to buy in such a short amount of time. One kilo of tortillas has about 20 tortillas in it. ~200 tortillas really stands out to me, especially with the lack of accompaniments, like meat or cheese or vegetable.
"El Sacudo" means "the Mosquito", which sounds like a cartel nickname.
She also mentions "descontar de cta", which means "taken/deducted from credit". She also mentions an "Antonio's" account, meaning that the balance would be taken from whatever funds or arrangements or stockpiles he has. Makes me think of a dealers account.
"Cacahuates" means peanuts. Peanuts are super cheap in Mexico. Cacahuates is also slang for methamphetamines, which are super popular in MX right now. She further does not mention a weight (peanuts are usually sold by the kilo) or by measure (1-2 packets), which is odd to me.
Her note mentions 18 "medias". Medias are pantyhose, while socks are "calcetines" or "calcetas". I don't know why she would need 18 pairs of pantyhose.
This note is very, very odd, and I fear she may have been mixed up with, or has found herself preyed upon by unsavory characters.

I grew up in a more dangerous part of Mexico. I don't mean to offend or anger anyone. This is just what my experiences tell me. I hope I am wrong.

I hope you don't mind my digging up this old post. I haven't gotten it out of my mind. I know that JR deleted posts asking about the notebook, and recently he changed his tune about it being her writing (other than her name written in Chinese). Whether or not it is her writing, is anybody else familiar with spots' posting about drug dealers' slang? I found it so interesting! Let's just say there is something to this.... could explain why JR is distancing Jenny from these entries.

If this were drug related, wouldn't the PI have picked up on that? Sorry if it's already been discussed to death.