Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #2

[Lilibet]

Wow! I sleep in and wake up to all these brilliant ideas!! I agree that they should be passed on to JR just in case. I know of one WSer still a member of the group, so I will shoot off a pm and ask for help. Keep the ideas coming!!

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[rosesfromangels]

I agree with your assessment on the chances of this information being made available, as I believe there are powerful people in Mexico who are trying to keep this case from being solved. Still, I am hopeful.

I was on the HFJ Facebook forum early on, but was removed by CN due to my lack of diplomacy; my fault as much as hers. I don't have a personal email address for JR, but I am hopeful that he is aware of this Websleuths site and that he or someone close to him is monitoring it.

I still monitor the HFJ Facebook site and I noted that when asked by another member there, JR didn't know the name of the truck GPS monitoring company involved in this case, but he stated that his PI did know the name. Lilibet discovered not only the name of the company and that it is headquartered in the US, but also the type of device installed in all of the carrier's trucks. It really would be well if JR or someone close to him was monitoring this Websleuths site.

Given all the victim bashing he has received on this thread, it's highly unlikely he would participate.

 

[webant]

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Given all the victim bashing he has received on this thread, it's highly unlikely he would participate.

Agreed; but participating is not the same as monitoring for usable information. If it were me looking for a lost loved one, I would at least be monitoring.

 

[Lilibet]

Agreed; but participating is not the same as monitoring for usable information. If it were me looking for a lost loved one, I would at least be monitoring.

Yes, monitoring is what's needed. Although I might add that if JR had joined and participated here he would have benefitted greatly and there likely would have been less criticism. In my pm to the member of his group, I suggested he be warned that he needs a thick skin if he reads back very far on the thread. When someone is publicly looking for a lost loved one (and asking for money), they need a thick skin. I've seen way worse on FB pages for missing people than has ever been said here on WS. The vast majority of us have wanted him to succeed and expressed frustration about how he's apparently gone about things. That's not victim bashing IMO. We do care and want to help or we wouldn't post. JMO

 

[Lilibet]

The WS member of HFG I attempted to pm has a full mailbox. If anyone else is a group member and is willing to contact JR, let me know. I will keep trying to reach the WSer I know is a member. My pm has links to posts here and could just be sent to JR in a pm as is with an explanatory note. Thanks!

 

[GigTu]

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Given all the victim bashing he has received on this thread, it's highly unlikely he would participate.

He has more supporters than bashers. And I will report any victim bashing I see.

 

[Satchie]

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Given all the victim bashing he has received on this thread, it's highly unlikely he would participate.

Agree, he needs to pay attention to the advice of experienced professionals. Plus the suggestions I've read are jobs for the police.

 

[slowpoke]

Agree, he needs to pay attention to the advice of experienced professionals. Plus the suggestions I've read are jobs for the police.

I just want JR to be aware of actions that might be possible that may help find Jenny, so when he talks to his PI or the authorities he can ask good questions. For me, being armed with knowledge always makes me have a better sense of control.

 

[Lilibet]

Agree, he needs to pay attention to the advice of experienced professionals. Plus the suggestions I've read are jobs for the police.

Agree that he needs to pay attention to advice from experienced professionals. But experienced professionals (whether PI, attorney, LE etc) are human and might miss a possibility proposed by an amateur. No harm in being redundant. Yes, the suggestions are jobs for the police, but if JR or his PI haven't thought of these ideas, they can't pressure the police to follow through.

I just want JR to be aware of actions that might be possible that may help find Jenny, so when he talks to his PI or the authorities he can ask good questions. For me, being armed with knowledge always makes me have a better sense of control.

BBM

Exactly. Your last statement about being armed with knowledge providing a better sense of control is so true in any situation. No one cares about finding Jenny as much as JR, and without knowledge he can't be her advocate with his PI, attorney and LE. That isn't disrespecting their knowledge and position, but is being an effective part of a team.

JMO

 

[webant]

Agree, he needs to pay attention to the advice of experienced professionals. Plus the suggestions I've read are jobs for the police.

The suggestions I've made could be acted on by police detectives in the normal course of an investigation, but they could also be taken up by private professionals, such as a private investigator and a technician capable of reading Qualcomm GPS, etc., data.

If JR's PI were able to obtain the Qualcomm data and JR bring it to the US, or if JR were able to obtain this data directly from Qualcomm in the US, there is no reason he could not have it analyzed without police involvement. I don't know about Mexico, but in the US a person could do this and then use the results to conduct their own search of an area, without police involvement. Court involvement may be necessary to obtain the Qualcomm data, but not necessarily police involvement.

Trying to effect the arrest of a suspect would involve the police.

The situation in this case is one in which a women has likely either been murdered or trafficked, so there is potentially a very real danger to the life of one who goes looking to solve this crime. This would be true even if there were no involvement by organized crime or police looking to thwart the investigation. Add either or both of those to the mix and the danger is compounded.

 

[rosesfromangels]

The suggestions I've made could be acted on by police detectives in the normal course of an investigation, but they could also be taken up by private professionals, such as a private investigator and a technician capable of reading Qualcomm GPS, etc., data.

If JR's PI were able to obtain the Qualcomm data and JR bring it to the US, or if JR were able to obtain this data directly from Qualcomm in the US, there is no reason he could not have it analyzed without police involvement. I don't know about Mexico, but in the US a person could do this and then use the results to conduct their own search of an area, without police involvement. Court involvement may be necessary to obtain the Qualcomm data, but not necessarily police involvement.

Trying to effect the arrest of a suspect would involve the police.

The situation in this case is one in which a women has likely either been murdered or trafficked, so there is potentially a very real danger to the life of one who goes looking to solve this crime. This would be true even if there were no involvement by organized crime or police looking to thwart the investigation. Add either or both of those to the mix and the danger is compounded.

You sound like you know what you are talking about webant.
Aside from your suggestions above, in general, how would you recommend JR proceed at this point?
If she isn't dead, I think she might be in one of the many brothels that serve either the cancun or Tijuana area.
It's a long shot at this point; given the time lapse.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Great thinking. And what about their cell phones? I wonder if their phone records have been obtained. As they drive, isn't their movements tracked as they move from cell tower to cell tower, so you can get an idea where they've been? And of course, their call and text record can show a lot.

I also wonder about the other drivers family. Had his wife seen anything or does she know anything?

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[LisaWL7TR]

The WS member of HFG I attempted to pm has a full mailbox. If anyone else is a group member and is willing to contact JR, let me know. I will keep trying to reach the WSer I know is a member. My pm has links to posts here and could just be sent to JR in a pm as is with an explanatory note. Thanks!

I was friends with JR on Facebook(less than a day) and p .m. once(his personal acct) but after joining here and reading the rules I unfriended him, with explanation. I could send him another p.m. but it would be to his personal acct and I don't want to go against TOS.

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[webant]

You sound like you know what you are talking about webant.
Aside from your suggestions above, in general, how would you recommend JR proceed at this point?
If she isn't dead, I think she might be in one of the many brothels that serve either the cancun or Tijuana area.
It's a long shot at this point; given the time lapse.

I researched online for the law in the US and feel reasonably confident about that (proceeding without police involvement as I wrote previously). Regarding Mexico, I don't know, the law could well be different than it is in the US. The thing is, regarding Mexico, you could try and proceed according to the law there and still not really have a chance of succeeding ( the info on the US Department of State website that I linked to earlier in this thread leaves little doubt about that in my mind: http://www.state.gov/j/tip/rls/tiprpt/countries/2014/226777.htm ).

JR could try approaching his employer, Frontier Communications, about the possibility of financial help. I have no reason to doubt the integrity of his Mexican PI, so I would continue to follow his advice, running suggestions by the Mexican PI from members on this Websleuths site and elsewhere. I would try to get the Qualcomm data for the suspect truck, which still looks like the best lead, and to this end I would contact Qualcomm Headquarters in the US (I would ask the Mexican PI and a US attorney about sending a Spoliation Letter to all of the companies involved, though it might be late for that and I don't know if this is an accepted instrument in Mexico). I would ask the Mexican PI about the advisability of trying to use bribes, if nothing else was working. If a search area or locations could be identified with this data, possibly a ground search with cadaver dogs would be appropriate.

 

[Lilibet]

I was friends with JR on Facebook(less than a day) and p .m. once(his personal acct) but after joining here and reading the rules I unfriended him, with explanation. I could send him another p.m. but it would be to his personal acct and I don't want to go against TOS.

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Thanks for the offer, Lisa. To be on the safe side, I think contact through the HFJ page would be best. As individuals, we have to be careful not to imply that we represent WS. But there is certainly nothing wrong with encouraging someone to read posts on WS and monitor the site. I've been on a thread where a friend of the victim joined and was thrilled with the help she got. I wish JR had that kind of friend, since it's a bit much for him to take on.

I think I'll hear from the member I'm trying to contact soon. I found her on a thread and asked her to empty her mailbox.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I researched online for the law in the US and feel reasonably confident about that (proceeding without police involvement as I wrote previously). Regarding Mexico, I don't know, the law could well be different than it is in the US. The thing is, regarding Mexico, you could try and proceed according to the law there and still not really have a chance of succeeding ( the info on the US Department of State website that I linked to earlier in this thread leaves little doubt about that in my mind: http://www.state.gov/j/tip/rls/tiprpt/countries/2014/226777.htm ).

JR could try approaching his employer, Frontier Communications, about the possibility of financial help. I have no reason to doubt the integrity of his Mexican PI, so I would continue to follow his advice, running suggestions by the Mexican PI from members on this Websleuths site and elsewhere. I would try to get the Qualcomm data for the suspect truck, which still looks like the best lead, and to this end I would contact Qualcomm Headquarters in the US (I would ask the Mexican PI and a US attorney about sending a Spoliation Letter to all of the companies involved, though it might be late for that and I don't know if this is an accepted instrument in Mexico). I would ask the Mexican PI about the advisability of trying to use bribes, if nothing else was working. If a search area or locations could be identified with this data, possibly a ground search with cadaver dogs would be appropriate.

Your insights are greatly appreciated, thank you. We are fortunate to have you on the thread.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Thanks for the offer, Lisa. To be on the safe side, I think contact through the HFJ page would be best. As individuals, we have to be careful not to imply that we represent WS. But there is certainly nothing wrong with encouraging someone to read posts on WS and monitor the site. I've been on a thread where a friend of the victim joined and was thrilled with the help she got. I wish JR had that kind of friend, since it's a bit much for him to take on.

I think I'll hear from the member I'm trying to contact soon. I found her on a thread and asked her to empty her mailbox.

Right, I agree on all above^

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[Lilibet]

Your insights are greatly appreciated, thank you. We are fortunate to have you on the thread.

Seconding that!

 

[Tssiemer]

You sound like you know what you are talking about webant.
Aside from your suggestions above, in general, how would you recommend JR proceed at this point?
If she isn't dead, I think she might be in one of the many brothels that serve either the cancun or Tijuana area.
It's a long shot at this point; given the time lapse.

IMO with my experience of trafficking in the us, she's too old to traffic.


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[tarabull]

IMHO Jenny looks MUCH younger than her actual age & I'm not sure traffickers typically check ID :moo: :cow: