Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #2

[GigTu]

I'm going to give JR what he wants. I'm not spending any more time on this. I'm sorry Jenny.

 

[bajatacos]

For me what continues to be so frustrating about this case is that we only ever hear from JR. This would be okay if he wasn't such a poor communicator, but when the only info about a case comes in the form of convoluted, confusing, unclear messages that often contradict each other and leave out important details, it leaves me banging my head against a wall. Even the "professional" press release was obviously written by JR, complete with tons of grammatical errors and confusing wording, and just as hard to decipher as everything else he's put out there. I'm gonna step away from checking in on Jenny too for now, until there is a REAL update.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Welp. It looks like he removed her posts and photos from her Facebook page. Or he set them to private. But the friend lists is still viewable.

So we can't analyze her posts after 4/5.

 

[Lilibet]

Welp. It looks like he removed her posts and photos from her Facebook page. Or he set them to private. But the friend lists is still viewable.

So we can't analyze her posts after 4/5.

He did that quite awhile ago, Dex. Probably because people were saying negative things about him on Jenny's personal FB page. But it makes it impossible for anyone to help sort out Jenny's thoughts and movements.

 

[DexterMorgan]

He did that quite awhile ago, Dex. Probably because people were saying negative things about him on Jenny's personal FB page. But it makes it impossible for anyone to help sort out Jenny's thoughts and movements.

Why didn't he just turn off the comment portion of her page in the settings tab.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I can't shake this niggling feeling she is still with us, and doing well. Wouldn't that be a lovely turn of events!

Agree. Ole Jenny would be a hoot as a websleuths poster.

Let's just hope our girl is okay.

 

[slowpoke]

More musings. Sorry if I'm not expressing my disorganized thoughts well, lol.

We've got the story according to driver(s):
One driver said he was in a convoy with another driver. He had his family in the truck with him, so it would have been impossible to fit Jenny in his cab.
One driver (Same one or other driver? Unknown to us) "accepted that he stopped and waited for 15 minutes in that crossing."

The story according to witnesses, which I assume includes the shopkeeper:
A Corona truck pulled up on the opposite side of the street from where Jenny was hitching for a ride. The driver and Jenny had a brief conversation, and Jenny got into the truck.

The story the witnesses have given, says Jenny and the driver had "a brief conversation" before she boarded the truck.
In my mind I picture the trucker pulling over (opposite side of street), putting his head out and telling Jenny about the blockade she'll encounter if she tries to travel in the direction she was hitching (northward), then telling her she could go with him southbound for an alternate route. Then, Jenny thinks about it and agrees to get in the cab, and off they go. That would only take a minute or two--not much more than that, and that would constitute, to me, a "brief conversation". OK.

Then, we hear of one driver "accepting that he stopped and waited" at Lagunas crossing for 15 minutes. Now, why would he admit to that if it weren't true? If true, would that mean that he more likely is or is not the one who may have picked up Jenny.
15 minutes seems a lot longer time than needed for the brief conversation, and for Jenny to board and the truck to start moving. Why don't the gps records support this admission, though. And why would he admit to that if it weren't true. If he is the innocent one, what was he doing for 15 minutes there. Getting gas? Taking a break? What did he say? What does it mean "he stopped and waited" there. Waited for what?

Also, do both of the two drivers speak English well enough or Jenny understand enough Spanish that this out of the ordinary conversation would have been understood by Jenny on her own? Or did shopkeeper or someone else translate for Jenny, and that's how they know what was said between the driver and Jenny?

Why would the shopkeeper and other witnesses say they think "the driver meant to bring harm to Jenny." I hope they didn't think that at the time and "let" Jenny board the truck! Otherwise, if they have no idea what happened to Jenny after boarding the truck, why come to the conclusion now that the blame lies with the truck driver?

So many questions. Ugh, things are going round and round in my brain.

 

[Lilibet]

Good morning, all. Just some thoughts I've had (probably ramblings) in response to the press release plus our subsequent posts on it:


So, this is all conjecture, but I was just thinking of scenarios to fill in some of the holes of Jenny's movements once she reached Lagunas Crossing:
JR's press release states the cement truck came from Oaxaca to Lagunas Crossing, so that was a long ride (6 hrs, we've been told). So, maybe:
(1)cement truck guy stopped in to the cafe along with Jenny for a break, or
(2)he ended there because Lagunas crossing was his travel destination.

This came to me as I wondered why the shopkeepeer knew the detail about Jenny arriving in a cement truck. Of course, it may be that Jenny was being chatty, and simply told her how she arrived there.

If cement guy simply dropped Jenny off at Lagunas crossing, and drove off:
the Pemex is probably well-lit at night, so he dropped her there. She saw the open-late or open-all-night places and popped into the witness shopkeeper's cafe/shop/store/whatever, who we are told was a kindly and trusting sort who let Jenny stay (sleep) there. The Pemex station has showers, so maybe the next morning that is where Jenny showered, then went to the ATM there to try to get some money, only to find it out of service (machine out of money).

I, too, am interested in the statement that the shopkeeper "arranged a ride for her with someone who she trusted." If true, maybe she has many "regulars" who come to Lagunas Crossing, and she knows that that is their destination? Seems quite a coincidence. Maybe not.

I found the fact JR keeps saying about how Jenny only had 40 pesos remaining and was in need of an ATM to get more money something I wonder about. Is that what Jenny told him (when he said he'd send her bus fare), or did Shopkeeper tell JR that is what Jenny claimed? If the latter, I would find that strange that Jenny would be telling her how much money she had. Or maybe Jenny was trying to be safe by saying she had no money (to not get robbed). Another idea crossed my mind was that she said that while working on the shopkeeper to get free food and lodging. That sounds terrible of me, but I was just recalling on her weibo log where she said, But then, why would she then have asked Shopkeeper where was an ATM machine so she could get money? So, the free food/lodging idea doesn't agree with that. Btw, doesn't that sound like Jenny was being too trusting, an unsafe thing to broadcast that you were going to get cash from the ATM?

http://tw.weibo.com/jennycqd
2016年3月17日 3:51

Still, I'd like to hope that because the PI's practice is in Mexico, and he has been at the profession for many years, he has good interrogation skills, and can read people well that we can trust his leads thus far as the ones that will lead to finding Jenny.

You make good points as usual, slowpoke. Regarding the ATM, I think JR offered bus fare so Jenny wouldn't hitchhike, not necessarily because she was low on money. I would really like to know when and where she made her last withdrawal from an ATM and what her balance was at that point.

We only have the shopkeeper's word for what transpired when Jenny arrived at Lagunas Crossing. So any story is possible...or not. For some reason the PI and JR and LE/prosecutor (IIRC) think the witnesses are credible. But we've never been told why they think that. And the story has been told a variety of ways, so we are naturally skeptical.

I honestly don't know what facts we have at this point that lead to Jenny. We've been chasing our tails for over five months.

 

[Lilibet]

More musings. Sorry if I'm not expressing my disorganized thoughts well, lol.

We've got the story according to driver(s):
One driver said he was in a convoy with another driver. He had his family in the truck with him, so it would have been impossible to fit Jenny in his cab.
One driver (Same one or other driver? Unknown to us) "accepted that he stopped and waited for 15 minutes in that crossing."

The story according to witnesses, which I assume includes the shopkeeper:
A Corona truck pulled up on the opposite side of the street from where Jenny was hitching for a ride. The driver and Jenny had a brief conversation, and Jenny got into the truck.

The story the witnesses have given, says Jenny and the driver had "a brief conversation" before she boarded the truck.
In my mind I picture the trucker pulling over (opposite side of street), putting his head out and telling Jenny about the blockade she'll encounter if she tries to travel in the direction she was hitching (northward), then telling her she could go with him southbound for an alternate route. Then, Jenny thinks about it and agrees to get in the cab, and off they go. That would only take a minute or two--not much more than that, and that would constitute, to me, a "brief conversation". OK.

Then, we hear of one driver "accepting that he stopped and waited" at Lagunas crossing for 15 minutes. Now, why would he admit to that if it weren't true? If true, would that mean that he more likely is or is not the one who may have picked up Jenny. 15 minutes seems a lot longer time than needed for the brief conversation, and for Jenny to board and the truck to start moving. Why don't the gps records support this admission, though. And why would he admit to that if it weren't true. If he is the innocent one, what was he doing for 15 minutes there. Getting gas? Taking a break? What did he say? What does it mean "he stopped and waited" there. Waited for what?

Also, do both of the two drivers speak English well enough or Jenny understand enough Spanish that this out of the ordinary conversation would have been understood by Jenny on her own? Or did shopkeeper or someone else translate for Jenny, and that's how they know what was said between the driver and Jenny?

Why would the shopkeeper and other witnesses say they think "the driver meant to bring harm to Jenny." I hope they didn't think that at the time and "let" Jenny board the truck! Otherwise, if they have no idea what happened to Jenny after boarding the truck, why come to the conclusion now that the blame lies with the truck driver?

So many questions. Ugh, things are going round and round in my brain.

BBM

The more I think about it, I think the family guy driver did stop...maybe for a break and to buy food or something. Even if he is the one who picked up Jenny, he probably knows he was seen and the conversation was heard (and perhaps translated, as you theorized). He may not know about the GPS log gap, so he has to cover himself, admit he stopped, and claim his family was with him and that he was in a convoy. Maybe he said he was "waiting" for the other truck to show up. Somehow JR has determined that there was no convoy. He has only given us the log for family guy JSR. We don't know if JSR actually had his family with him. IIRC, JR said early on that they had a description of the drivers. He is still mentioning two drivers, but we don't know how it ties together or which one he suspects.

I have a feeling the witnesses came to the conclusion that the driver meant to harm Jenny when they found out she was missing.

 

[Lilibet]

I agree that it's very strange that Jenny didn't update weibo after 4/5. I think there was a photo of a protesters' bus posted after that on her FB though (perhaps 4/11 as she left Oaxaca), but we don't have a way to check that anymore.

ETA--Here is a post from HFJ showing Jenny's last photos posted on wechat. If you look closely, a couple of them show a date of 4/11.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/helpfindjenny/permalink/604904383017943/

On 3/21 she says its the 1st night she couch surfed (i guess through the site).

So everywhere she stayed before that was with strangers that took her in without prearrangement.

Also. Her daily weibo posts stop on the 4/5. And she mentions she will hitchhike to Cancun.

But thats odd since she still had 10 days to get there. So why didn't she update from 4/6 to 4/12.

She always posted when she was at someone's house.

So she supposedly messaged on 4/11 that she would be out of range. But decided not to update her daily journal that last 5 days.

Does anyone have any other public notes from Jenny after 4/5 ?

BBM

 

[slowpoke]

BBM

The more I think about it, I think the family guy driver did stop...maybe for a break and to buy food or something. Even if he is the one who picked up Jenny, he probably knows he was seen and the conversation was heard (and perhaps translated, as you theorized). He may not know about the GPS log gap, so he has to cover himself, admit he stopped, and claim his family was with him and that he was in a convoy. Maybe he said he was "waiting" for the other truck to show up. Somehow JR has determined that there was no convoy. He has only given us the log for family guy JSR. We don't know if JSR actually had his family with him. IIRC, JR said early on that they had a description of the drivers. He is still mentioning two drivers, but we don't know how it ties together or which one he suspects.

I have a feeling the witnesses came to the conclusion that the driver meant to harm Jenny when they found out she was missing.

That's some good thinking, Lilibet! At least, your theory would semi-complete a scenario based on the bits we have. For this theory, would we have to believe he is lying that his family was with him? I wonder if family guy's family has been questioned. That would give a clue as to whether it is believable they were in the truck with him or not. Even if they said they were, what was the body language like while answering? Did they seem honest, or like they had been told to say that, fearful or deceptive? A perceptive PI should be able to get a read on people, or do I watch too much tv crime shows? lol.

Then again, if the trucks were working in collusion, did he tell the other driver to pick up Jenny for their evil intentions since he had no room?

Good thought, too, for your idea that maybe by "stopped and waited" at Lagunas Crossing he meant was waiting there for the second driver (in said convoy, which JR says gps reports do not support).

Forgot to add: Yes, what about the description of the driver who picked up Jenny that the witnesses gave? Were they ever shown pictures of the two drivers, and did they identify one? That would be BIG if they pointed out one as the guy. Since JR hasn't said, it doesn't sound like that happened. Either they weren't provided photos, or the witnesses couldn't say with any surety that either was the one.

Hmm! Thanks for thinking things through with me. We still don't have the whole true story, and I guess the problem is, JR doesn't either. Our brains got their exercise today!

 

[Lilibet]

I think we've all done a great job brainstorming and researching for Jenny. Yay us!!

I've reached the end of my thinking ability with the limited and confusing information we have been given. So I'm going to let go and take a break until there is something unambiguous and definitive to talk about that doesn't scramble my brain. :scared: I'll keep an eye on the HFJ page and I hope JR gets answers. I wish him the best.

Like rosesfromangels, I'd like to think Jenny is alive and doing well somewhere. I'd like to think she had an epiphany at Lagunas Crossing after catching a ride, and decided not to go to Cancun. I'd like to think a kind truck driver helped her go somewhere safe so she could figure out what she wants to do. I'd like to think that we will know what happened someday.

I'm sure I'll see you around. :seeya:

 

[ninij9]

Hmmm. Plus paying the person for their time of the actual driving would be even more expensive.

So why would Jenny agree to that. Maybe she did at first but was headstrong on hitchhiking.

I see they have planes from Oaxaca to Cancun as well and the flight is 4hrs and change. But I think its Oaxaca city or something. Idk.

But you are right. The bus would have been cheaper and easier.

I'm just surprised that the shopkeeper found a friend that was willing to drive a hitchhiker 20 hrs one way and then 20 hrs back.

Thats like driving from California to Philadelphia and back. Lol.

I don't understand why hubby is taking the shopkeepers word as Bible here anyway.

Every time I come to this thread I shake my head. Mexico is so very frustrating. No one can trust the politicians or the police. How can you get ANY answers for Jenny?

As far as the Corona drivers, in a country as corrupt as Mexico, I would be afraid for my life if I was a driver to get involved here. Perhaps even these drivers are forced to move drugs for Cartels as well during their routes. I feel like the husband is endangering innocent people when he pursues certain leads.

But mostly I posted here to let you know Dexter Morgan, (and there are others Lilibet, Rosesfrom Angels etc)that you are doing an outstanding job on this thread. Bravo. You are really keeping the search for Jenny active here. Nice work. Thank you.

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[webant]

The recent press release on the HFJ Facebook site is not opening for me now. I was wondering if it has been updated with Lilibet's cleaned-up version, or any cleaned-up version, or does it still show the previous rough draft?

 

[Lilibet]

The recent press release on the HFJ Facebook site is not opening for me now. I was wondering if it has been updated with Lilibet's cleaned-up version, or any cleaned-up version, or does it still show the previous rough draft?

It's the same one, webant...as far as I can tell. He'd better pay me if he uses mine.

Search for Jenny ChenStrange inconsistencies in provided information by Suspects and their employers.​

On around May 15th, after exhaustive and unsuccessful search for witnesses and clues in South East Oaxaca, Mexico, my private investigator finally found a break in the case. Multiple witnesses at a dangerous truck crossing called Lagunas Crossing came forward and identified Jenny and explained her last sighting. Early morning on April 12th 2016, Jenny arrived at Lagunas crossing from Oaxaca by hitching a ride with a cement mixer. A shop keeper, who is also a witness was kind enough to welcome Jenny into their home to stay the night. Jenny only had 40 peso’s and was in the need of a bank ATM. The next morning, Jenny showered, and ate with the shop keeper’s family. My wife had stated that she was on her way to Cancun, and needed to be there by the 15th of April. The shopkeeper had arranged a ride for her with someone who she trusted. After several hours of waiting Jenny became impatient and decided to go out to the road and hold up a “CANCUN” sign. Knowing my wife’s stubbornness, this was accurate. After a while of waiting, a truck with the Corona logos’ pulled up on the opposite side of the street, the driver and Jenny had a brief conversation, and Jenny was convinced to get in the truck. Again, Jenny’s first order of business was to make it to a bank ATM. She never made it, according to her bank records and the cards that she had been using the entire trip.Once hearing this information, I immediately flew to Mexico and met with these witnesses. They showed me a pad of paper that Jenny was teaching the family Chinese writing, in which Jenny had written her name. There is no doubt Jenny was there on April 12th. I asked the witnesses what they thought happened;they stated “the driver meant to bring harm to Jenny”.That was almost five months ago.After hearing the witness’s testimonies, we immediately contacted the police and tried to reach Corona. The first contact was a Corona security official referred by my PI’s contacts. Once contacted, the individual acknowledged the situation and promised immediate action. Almost 6 days later, nothing happened, and the security official never returned calls. Finally he was reached, and stated “if you keep bothering me, you can try on your own”. This arrogance inspired me to launch a multinational social campaign to get Corona Modelo’s attention, and it did, after three weeks of trying. After another couple weeks of back and forth, and allot of anger on my end, Corona finally reached out and offered support in the investigation. Corona stated that they contact several truck companies to haul their beverages throughout Mexico, and refereed me to one in particular; Kugar. Corona initially provided GPS coordinates to the authorities and to my PI.I flew down to Mexico to meet with the police, Corona and the truck companies in June 24th, 1½ months after the witness sightings. This is a summary of that trip:

• The initial prosecutor’s team went to interview the twotruck drivers from Kugar (Truck Company) these were drivers who were in the area that Jenny was picked up. The first driver said he was in a convoy with another driver, and he could not “was with his family” so it was impossible to fit Jenny in his cab. This was accepted by the police, and they moved on to random Chinese girl sightings throughout Southeast Mexico. They advised me to move the investigation to Veracruz, where there was a sighting by another truck driver at a tool booth. Of course, the video evidence did not corroborate this story. At this point, I felt the police in Oaxaca wanted me “out of their hair”.​

• The meeting with Corona was very productive. Corona showed and eagerness to help, they were kind and supportive. They introduced me to the truck company’s management representatives and they also appeared to want to help. The transport company representatives told me that according to their GPS records, neither driver one stopped at the area where Jenny was picked up. Also if they did stop, (even if the engine was running, there would be a GPS alert. This is due to the amount of truck robberies in this area. The company will know if something is wrong of the truck takes an unscheduled stop. This is inconsistent with one truck driver’s testimony that accepted that he stopped and waited for 15 minutes in that crossing.​

• I also hired an attorney, Everado Moreno who assisted in escalating the case to a special task force with a new prosecutor.​

Everything has stalled since then.This is what we have discovered:

- The name of the suspect Corona trucks contracted company is KUGAR​

• http://www.kugar.com.mx/​

- We have two drivers who were driving in the time an area that Jenny disappeared. They said they were in a convoy, and one claims he was driving with his family; but the GPS shows there were not in convoy.​

- It seems to me that one driver is covering the other and they have both initially refused polygraph tests.​

- The GPS data that Kugar supplied shows tracking information every 5 minutes EXCEPT for the day that Jenny Chen​ went missing (8 hours of data was deleted from the system) of one truck.​

- The truck that is most likely used to pick up Jenny was just sold when my investigator tried to go to inspect.See below GPS Data​

• -We can only get the true GPS data from the actual GPS company, and Corona nor the police have given us access.​

- The police promised to attempt to polygraph the drivers 40 days ago and 20 days after my 5th visit. Nothing has happened.​

• I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I absolutely feel like I am getting the run around from ALL involved parties​

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[webant]

Thanks Lilibet. It is the same original press release (I saved it when it first came out and I could open it on a computer that handles DOCX files). So, either JR did not see your cleaned-up version, or he did and didn't feel the need to update his. A bit disappointing to me in any event.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Wouldn't the Pemex or truck stop do Debit/Cash Back ?

Or is that only in stores in the United States?

 

[DexterMorgan]

I agree about the press release. I think Jonathan needs to sit down and retype it with way more details and clarification. (Click the photo below)

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Does anyone know if JR has done anything with the press release? If I were him, I would be bombarding various news organizations, relevant TV networks, shows, etc., with it -whether via email or Twitter- every day, especially with the sixth "anniversary" of Jenny's disappearance coming up in just a few days.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Jonathan was able to travel to different foreign countries for his job or jobs.

So this means that he was a delegate for the company in other countries for the sake of promoting the business .

So why can't he delegate a simple press release about his missing (china) wife in Mexico.

Especially since his job allowed him to move and delegate in both countries of China and Mexico. Jmo.

He was employed as sales and tech or communications and was allowed to stay in other countries while doing the job.

So why is he seeming so lack of information with a simple press release about his missing wife. Jmo