Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #3

[jellybean96]

If I got the right article it's talking about illegal immigrants, including Chinese. I don't see a reference to Jenny. Am I in the right place...The Bxxxxxxxx Report?

The article I think she is referring to is from Breibart . Could be relative to this case.

 

[Lilibet]

The article I think she is referring to is from Breibart . Could be relative to this case.

Yes, I'm in the right place. I figured ********* would be x'd out as not allowed for some reason, so I did it myself. I'm having trouble seeing how this connects to Jenny, unless she was trying to return to the US after her permit ran out and was detained. Is that it?

ETA: Ha! See the asterisks? I was right that it isn't allowed. You misspelled it and it slid by. Funny.

 

[tarabull]

yes sorry :blushing: thats the artcile, perhaps something for consideration.

If Jenny is still alive in Mexico, she is likely in a real pickle now.

:moo: :cow:

 

[Lilibet]

yes sorry :blushing: thats the artcile, perhaps something for consideration.

If Jenny is still alive in Mexico, she is likely in a real pickle now.

:moo: :cow:

Well, it's always good to think of new angles. Yes she certainly is in a pickle if she's alive. So there's always the remote possibility she was detained for some reason and LE isn't talking. Of course they're not talking about the truck driver either. Ugh.

 

[KaaBoom]

I hear you, Kaboom, and that's certainly one way of looking at it. And who knows? You could be right, but we do try to be victim friendly, even though the victims can make it hard at times!

The trouble I was referring to was hiring a PI and an attorney and traveling to Mexico to meet with LE, etc. If this is a hoax of some kind, there is always the danger of that coming back to bite him. So I have decided to assume that he's for real because of taking that risk. I'm not sure what cases you are referring to. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't have any proof he's done anything other than make some shockingly poor decisions and communicate poorly. I'm not willing to leap from that to being guilty of doing something to Jenny at this point.

You're correct in your summary of what we know and that our only source is JR (except for the attorney's radio interview and the Chinese Embassy news release). Given that MSM has not weighed in for months, I'm surprised the thread is still open. I don't know, shall we vote to ask a mod to shut it down? Or do we want to keep watching this trainwreck in hopes there will be answers?

I'm not being victim-unfriendly. I'm just stating the facts. Do you mean the Chinese Embassy news release that said she was alive and well and continuing to travel in Mexico? If you accept that as a source, then that's the end of the story. She is not missing. Case closed. That certainly does not collaborate JRs, story at all.

As for the PI and the attorney, do we have any evidence that he actually hired these people? All we have is some pictures of him eating dinner with some random people in Mexico, and some billboard pictures that look photoshopped. If these people were really working on this case all these months, then wouldn't you expect JR to have some type of results to show for it? At least something more than just the lead that she was seen getting into a Corona truck. If that's all the PI can come up with for seven months of work, he must be the worst PI in history, or else JR didn't really hire him.

 

[charminglane]

KaaBoom

We have a mind meld.:blowkiss:

 

[slowpoke]

snipped by me:

Has he ever spoken a direct message to Jenny in the press or on the missing page?

He did once that I know of, on the Ciro Gómez Leyva radio program.
In the video, JR says:
"My message is for my wife if she can hear me: "Hang in there, I love you, and I will find you."
If I find her, we will live a normal, happy life together, and she won't be allowed to travel alone any longer."


http://www.radioformula.com.mx/notas.asp?Idn=609542&idFC=2016 (original article, in Spanish)
https://translate.google.com/transl...mx/notas.asp?Idn=609542&idFC=2016&prev=search (same article, thru Google Translate)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...axaca-11-April-2016-2&p=12689558#post12689558 (my post, #287, where I transcribed JR's words from the video on that page)

Hi, I'm still here, all, just cutting back my presence since there's been no progress or update by JR. It's now after Thanksgiving, so JR should have been "circling back with the prosecution team for updates" by now, so let's hope he will report what news he has learned.

 

[KaaBoom]

snipped by me:


He did once that I know of, on the Ciro Gómez Leyva radio program.
In the video, JR says:
"My message is for my wife if she can hear me: "Hang in there, I love you, and I will find you."
If I find her, we will live a normal, happy life together, and she won't be allowed to travel alone any longer."


http://www.radioformula.com.mx/notas.asp?Idn=609542&idFC=2016 (original article, in Spanish)
https://translate.google.com/transl...mx/notas.asp?Idn=609542&idFC=2016&prev=search (same article, thru Google Translate)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...axaca-11-April-2016-2&p=12689558#post12689558 (my post, #287, where I transcribed JR's words from the video on that page)

Hi, I'm still here, all, just cutting back my presence since there's been no progress or update by JR. It's now after Thanksgiving, so JR should have been "circling back with the prosecution team for updates" by now, so let's hope he will report what news he has learned.

He just released his typical two line, two week update.

I am waiting for the change in Prosecutor due to the shift in administrations in Oaxaca. I am hoping to have renewed efforts from the new government.

So he is waiting for a new prosecutor AGAIN. What happened to the Special Elite Taskforce that he supposedly got to work on the case five months ago? Now he is waiting for a change in administration. :facepalm:

 

[tarabull]

Justice Reform in Mexico.....
Snipped...

...As stories of crime and violence play out in the headlines, Mexico is in the midst of
a major transformation of its judicial sector. Mexico has been gradually implementing
a series of reforms that advocates hope will dramatically improve public security
and the administration of justice over the next decade. Central to the process of
judicial reform in Mexico is a package of ambitious legislative changes and constitutional
amendments passed by the Mexican Congress in 2008, and to be implemented
throughout the country by 2016.

Read more: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/...nge and Challenges in the Judicial Sector.pdf

(Welcome to Mexico...where time stands still.)

 

[Lilibet]

This change of administration in Oaxaca is actually pretty significant. The new governor Alejandro Murat Hinojosa becomes governor tomorrow 11/30. This brings the PRI party back to power in Oaxaca. JR's influencial attorney Everardo Moreno is very well-connected in the PRI, having run in a primary for president of Mexico on the PRI ticket (defeated) in 2006. I would imagine that might give him much more influence with the new prosecutor than he had in the previous administration. If he is still working for JR, that might be cause for optimism. Time will tell. But it's good to keep in mind that the PRI has a history of corruption. Sigh. What else is new?!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Murat_Hinojosa

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_Revolutionary_Party

 

[DexterMorgan]

He just released his typical two line, two week update.



So he is waiting for a new prosecutor AGAIN. What happened to the Special Elite Taskforce that he supposedly got to work on the case five months ago? Now he is waiting for a change in administration. :facepalm:

Wow.

He did it again I see.

Did he atleast put up 1 flyer during his last 7 day trip where he was supposed to be updated on bombshell new findings. Especially since loved ones had to get updated on the help find jenny Facebook page that he was out of cell range.


So another trip just to update of more waiting. Couldnt his lawyer had told him this by phone?

 

[GigTu]

Good for JR, and Mexico in general. I see this transition is briniging new hope, and I hope this transition brings new information as well. Where are you Jenny?

 

[tarabull]

Mothers of Missing Migrants Travel to Oaxaca, Mexico
November 29, 2016

http://www.plenglish.com/index.php?...s-of-missing-migrants-travel-to-oaxaca-mexico

 

[tarabull]

How many of us have a) been to Mexico b) needed assistance??

Think of how long it takes to book spa, excursions, dinner reservations...next consider the hassel involved & how long it takes to make a change or cancel...

For me, it's not so hard to believe how this is playing out....

It would be a living nightmare if a relative was missing in Mexico.

And as ive said before, IMHO the chance of them being alive would be slim to none.

:moo: :cow:

ETA: throw into the mix hitch hiking & couch surfing....

:thud: Jenny Jenny Jenny.....

:shakehead:

 

[tarabull]

Mexican archdiocese closes missing persons registry
November 28, 2016

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/mexican-archdiocese-closes-missing-persons-registry-37595/

 

[tarabull]

Families Push to Work with US Government to Bring Justice
November 24, 2016

http://www.krgv.com/story/33820892/families-push-to-work-with-us-government-to-bring-justice

 

[tarabull]

The number of killings may fluctuate, but a brutal trend is emerging in Mexico
November 23, 2016

http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-homicides-deadly-violence-trend-2016-2016-11

 

[Lilibet]

The number of killings may fluctuate, but a brutal trend is emerging in Mexico
November 23, 2016

http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-homicides-deadly-violence-trend-2016-2016-11

Thanks for these articles, Tarabull. These numbers don't even factor in missing people.

Corruption from the Mexico's president down to governors has led to skewing of data.

"The issue here is that the Peña Nieto administration has been covering a lot of the homicides, and they have told the governors to not report all of the homicides that are taking place in their states," said Vigil, author of of "Metal Coffins: The Blood Alliance Cartel."

"And the reason for that being that it's having a negative impact on tourism, but particularly in terms of foreign investment," he added.

"Every governor, every state is skewing those numbers, and the violence has just gotten worse."
BBM

So why on earth would the Oaxacan government be interested in adding Jenny to their homicide statistics?!! It might hurt tourism and Chinese investment. Just let her remain "missing" and tell her parents she's still backpacking. Sweep her disappearance under the rug, everyone saves face, and trade deals with China can continue without a hitch.

"Money doesn't talk. It swears." Bob Dylan

http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-homicides-deadly-violence-trend-2016-2016-11

 

[GigTu]

I have long felt JRs efforts were futile. He is up against one of the most outwardly corrupt and unaccountable countries in the world. He puts his own life at risk every time goes there poking around, and I completely believe that any reports he's received from a Mexican PI or townspeople are shrouded in falsities, even if a nugget of truth exists at every lie's core.

Jenny chose to travel through Mexico alone, essentially as a transient, and put herself in vulnerable situations nearly every single day. Many of the people in the areas she was traveling through are desperate and opportunistic, including "eye witnesses", who very well may have their own agendas.

I disbelieve most information JR has gathered. The witness I want to have faith in is the cement driver who admitted to picking her up and dropping her off, because it was a voluntary information. Jenny had a journal (which I presume was handed over to JR) and the family that had it could be trusted in that they voluntarily provided information and proof of her having been there.

After that though, I lose faith in any information gathered.

 

[slowpoke]

snipped by me:

Jenny had a journal (which I presume was handed over to JR) and the family that had it could be trusted in that they voluntarily provided information and proof of her having been there.
.

Are you referring to the pad in which Jenny wrote her name in Chinese? JR clarified a while back on the HFJ page (but then removed, inexplicably) that Jenny wrote in a notepad belonging to the shopkeeper. If that's not what you are referring to, I would like to hear more on this journal. Is it the online weibo one, or something else?

I just looked at the HFJ page, and in reply to a question asking if there's any update, JR writes "MY page has info". Does that mean his personal FB page? If so, why do that and not on the HFJ page, I wonder.