Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #3

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Between you and me (and everyone else), I don't think she ran off. But just in case...

She either ran off -in which case I lean towards back to China-, suffered a serious psychiatric crisis while in still in Mexico, after which she either passed away (suicide, manic/reckless behavior, etc.) and has not been found/identified or ended up on the streets, or encountered foul play and is no longer with us (also has not been found/identified), IMO .

Personally, I am of the opinion that all of these scenarios are equally plausible.

At first it seems likely that she is no longer alive because as far as I can tell, there has been no digital footprint of her since April 11th (except for the possible new account -opened on Apr. 26th, 2016?- that someone posted about upthread). What keeps bugging me about that scenario is the timing. She had been hitchhiking for over a month, and then just a few days before she is to meet up with her spouse, she disappears. Jenny had also told JR she would not be in contact with him during that period.

It very well could be a coincidence. She might have even casually told someone who had picked her up, "Yeah, I told my husband he wouldn't be hearing from me for the next couple of days, haha," and the person decided to take advantage of her at that point. I don't know.

But I don't think it would be that difficult to stay hidden, especially if she is outside of the US. There has been very little publicity about her case. As far as SM, she could be using a completely different username or communicating only in Chinese, posting only few pictures, if any, and keeping her accounts private.

We don't know what was going on between Jenny and JR. It seems like such a cruel thing to do to someone, but maybe she had to get away, at least from her perspective ....

 

[Lilibet]

How do we know that Jenny didn't confront him face-to-face about wanting to leave him?

From experience, when you travel things become more clear in your life.... what you want, what you don't want... your mind is clearest at this time because you're not in your daily routine and don't get bogged down by the trivial things. The absence of him could have spoken to her.... It's not an uncommon realization when people travel without their significant other.

And she disappears when she's suppose to meet up with him?

BBM

We don't know that Jenny didn't tell him in Cancun that she wanted to leave him...before disappearing. That's the big elephant in the living room and a dark place to go. He's a victim until shown not to be, so we've skirted that issue on tiptoe. Personally, I don't have a solid reason suspect him of anything, even though we always look sideways at the spouse...and so does LE. We don't know what kind of investigation and vetting of JR happened in Cancun, but we have to assume he's in the clear. He's done everything a spouse should do to find her, so I think he's OK on that score...even though he is not fond of answering questions and is easily angered on FB. There is a lot we are still confused about.

 

[GigTu]

Well said, Lilibet.

 

[GigTu]

Maybe she told him she decided not to go to Cancun, they were finished, and she disappeared into the abyss. Maybe he's in denial.

 

[Lilibet]

Between you and me (and everyone else), I don't think she ran off. But just in case...

I agree. As much as I'd like to think she ran off, I don't think she did either. But that's JMO without a lot to base it on other than what JR tells us. I think the scenarios proposed by IMHO are all plausible, but I still lean toward foul play...risky behavior gone too far...possibly driven by mental health issues.

Well said, Lilibet.

Thanks.

 

[Lilibet]

Maybe she told him she decided not to go to Cancun, they were finished, and she disappeared into the abyss. Maybe he's in denial.

Very expensive denial! But possible. I suppose even if she told him they were finished before getting to Cancun, there's still the possibility of foul play or sex trafficking that he feels compelled to investigate.

I'm with Dex in that I'd really like to know how the PI just happened to run across the storekeeper with Jenny's Chinese signature in the spiral notebook. That's a needle in a haystack discovery. Did he show everyone along that route her photo? Did they see her poster somewhere and come forward? Just curious.

 

[msphilosopher]

New to the thread. Thanks for the welcome Lilibet!

WELCOME ! THIS case is really frustrating due to the wishy-washy ways of JR but aside from that, as far as we know, she is still missing, voluntary or not, so we keep working and sleuthing LOL

Thank you I'm already frustrated lol I'm new

 

[msphilosopher]

BBM

We don't know that Jenny didn't tell him in Cancun that she wanted to leave him...before disappearing. That's the big elephant in the living room and a dark place to go. He's a victim until shown not to be, so we've skirted that issue on tiptoe. Personally, I don't have a solid reason suspect him of anything, even though we always look sideways at the spouse...and so does LE. We don't know what kind of investigation and vetting of JR happened in Cancun, but we have to assume he's in the clear. He's done everything a spouse should do to find her, so I think he's OK on that score...even though he is not fond of answering questions and is easily angered on FB. There is a lot we are still confused about.

This makes sense... agreed. Was there any plea from the family??

I know some cultures shy away from the media instinctively.

Do we know what her career was? Could she be hiding from something?

 

[Lilibet]

This makes sense... agreed. Was there any plea from the family??

I know some cultures shy away from the media instinctively.

Do we know what her career was? Could she be hiding from something?

The only time we saw or heard about the family was in the Chinese embassy press release mentioned earlier. I'm too lazy to find a link. But it wasn't a direct plea.

She worked in a bank, but quit because it wasn't fulfilling. Supposedly the trip was to take a break while she figured out what she wanted to do. I'm not sure when she quit her job in relationship to leaving for Mexico.

 

[msphilosopher]

The only time we saw or heard about the family was in the Chinese embassy press release mentioned earlier. I'm too lazy to find a link. But it wasn't a direct plea.

She worked in a bank, but quit because it wasn't fulfilling. Supposedly the trip was to take a break while she figured out what she wanted to do. I'm not sure when she quit her job in relationship to leaving for Mexico.

Ah that's right, I did see that post. My apologies, it sounds like the family was involved at least slightly.

Hmmm... the lack of info is frustrating.

 

[KaaBoom]

She either ran off -in which case I lean towards back to China-, suffered a serious psychiatric crisis while in still in Mexico, after which she either passed away (suicide, manic/reckless behavior, etc.) and has not been found/identified or ended up on the streets, or encountered foul play and is no longer with us (also has not been found/identified), IMO .

Personally, I am of the opinion that all of these scenarios are equally plausible.

At first it seems likely that she is no longer alive because as far as I can tell, there has been no digital footprint of her since April 11th (except for the possible new account -opened on Apr. 26th, 2016?- that someone posted about upthread). What keeps bugging me about that scenario is the timing. She had been hitchhiking for over a month, and then just a few days before she is to meet up with her spouse, she disappears. Jenny had also told JR she would not be in contact with him during that period.

It very well could be a coincidence. She might have even casually told someone who had picked her up, "Yeah, I told my husband he wouldn't be hearing from me for the next couple of days, haha," and the person decided to take advantage of her at that point. I don't know.

But I don't think it would be that difficult to stay hidden, especially if she is outside of the US. There has been very little publicity about her case. As far as SM, she could be using a completely different username or communicating only in Chinese, posting only few pictures, if any, and keeping her accounts private.

We don't know what was going on between Jenny and JR. It seems like such a cruel thing to do to someone, but maybe she had to get away, at least from her perspective ....

I don't think they are all equally plausible. Here is why.

1. She ran off, probably back to China.

Highly likely. Why did her Chinese friends and her family who were looking for, suddenly clam up? Her parents traveled to Mexico, meet with officials and were assured that Jenny is alive and well. They thanked the Mexicans and returned to China, never to say anything more about it. Her Chinese friends were asking for help online to find Jenny. After Jenny's parents returned from the trip to Mexico, they all clammed up and have never said another word about it. Why is JR the only one still looking for her? Have her family and friends just given up on finding Jenny, after at first seeking help to find her?

2. She suffered a serious psychiatric crisis while still in Mexico, and is deceased.

Where is the record of this happening? Hospitals in Mexico keep records. If Jenny had checked into a hospital there would be a record of it. The Mexican Secretary of Health, issues Death Certificates. Where is Jenny's Death Certificate? What happened to her body? Why were Jenny's parents told that she is alive and well, if she is dead?

3. She encountered foul play, and is deceased.

Same response as for #2.

Plausibility #1 98%, #2 1%, #3 1%. That's being conservative.

 

[GigTu]

She did publicly denounce China and they saw it. Would there be repercussions if she returned?

 

[scadagirl28]

I hate to be one of those people who has not read all the threads ,so excuse my questions but did she come over on a K-1fiance visa and were they married for two years ?

 

[webant]

Very expensive denial! But possible. I suppose even if she told him they were finished before getting to Cancun, there's still the possibility of foul play or sex trafficking that he feels compelled to investigate.

I'm with Dex in that I'd really like to know how the PI just happened to run across the storekeeper with Jenny's Chinese signature in the spiral notebook. That's a needle in a haystack discovery. Did he show everyone along that route her photo? Did they see her poster somewhere and come forward? Just curious.

If I remember correctly, Jenny was tracked to Lagunas Crossing via having tried to get money from an ATM there. If that is correct, it would be an easy task to ask about Jenny at Lagunas Crossing, because it is a tiny place. Once the PI knew she had been there, he would have been able to talk to everyone there in a couple of hours…probably would have been told where Jenny spent the night after speaking with the first few people at Lagunas Crossing.

 

[Lilibet]

I hate to be one of those people who has not read all the threads ,so excuse my questions but did she come over on a K-1fiance visa and were they married for two years ?

Slacker! I don't blame you for not reading it all. I don't know what visa she came over on, but they were married in 2013. Her green card had recently been extended before she left for Mexico IIRC. I don't remember for how long.

Welcome!

 

[Lilibet]

If I remember correctly, Jenny was tracked to Lagunas Crossing via having tried to get money from an ATM there. If that is correct, it would be an easy task to ask about Jenny at Lagunas Crossing, because it is a tiny place. Once the PI knew she had been there, he would have been able to talk to everyone there in a couple of hours…probably would have been told where Jenny spent the night after speaking with the first few people at Lagunas Crossing.

BBM

I don't remember the bit about tracking her through her ATM attempt (does that register with the bank?), but if that is possible and accurate it would explain how the PI zeroed in on Lagunas Crossing.

 

[Lilibet]

She did publicly denounce China and they saw it. Would there be repercussions if she returned?

And would there be repercussions if her family and friends pushed the issue after being reassured by LE and the Chinese Embassy? I'm not sure the government would take kindly to further efforts on Jenny's behalf, especially after her criticism of China. But I really know nothing about all that.

 

[Lilibet]

I don't think they are all equally plausible. Here is why.

1. She ran off, probably back to China.

Highly likely. Why did her Chinese friends and her family who were looking for, suddenly clam up? Her parents traveled to Mexico, meet with officials and were assured that Jenny is alive and well. They thanked the Mexicans and returned to China, never to say anything more about it. Her Chinese friends were asking for help online to find Jenny. After Jenny's parents returned from the trip to Mexico, they all clammed up and have never said another word about it. Why is JR the only one still looking for her? Have her family and friends just given up on finding Jenny, after at first seeking help to find her?

2. She suffered a serious psychiatric crisis while still in Mexico, and is deceased.

Where is the record of this happening? Hospitals in Mexico keep records. If Jenny had checked into a hospital there would be a record of it. The Mexican Secretary of Health, issues Death Certificates. Where is Jenny's Death Certificate? What happened to her body? Why were Jenny's parents told that she is alive and well, if she is dead?

3. She encountered foul play, and is deceased.

Same response as for #2.

Plausibility #1 98%, #2 1%, #3 1%. That's being conservative.

BBM

I'm not sure they're equally possible either, but here is my take on your reasons.

1. I wondered in my previous post if there would be repercussions if family and friends pursued the matter after the embassy had handled things. So their silence could mean she has returned to the China she scorned. But given her criticism of China, silence could also mean they need to be silent for their own protection.

2. A mental health crisis doesn't always result in hospitalization even in the U.S. Bodies can take time to be discovered if there is suicide or other cause of death during an episode (from exposure, snake bite, fall, etc). I know of several cases that took months, and I know of one that was never are found despite the vehicle being found and indications that there was suicide. So this scenario doesn't necessarily require records or a death certificate to be possible.

3. Same as #2. Victims of foul play are sometimes not found for years or ever (see Stephanie Warner's case in my signature). I'm not sure why Jenny's parents were told she had been seen alive if she wasn't, unless it was a case of mistaken identity and her body hadn't been found, so they assumed it was Jenny. Or it was a flat-out lie to pacify them and not upset trade relations between China and Mexico (my theory).

4. I'll add the possibility of a tragic accident/incident to round out the possibilities. Getting lost, falling, snake bite, fatal illness (she had visited a hospital earlier), dehydration etc. Again, bodies can take years to find, if ever.

Given what JR has posted, if accurate, and keeping it simple, I think foul play is 90-95% likely. I divide her taking off (to China or elsewhere), being sex trafficked, having an accident and committing suicide into the remaining percentage, not necessarily evenly.

Needless to say, my hope is that she took off and is still alive and well.

 

[webant]

BBM

I don't remember the bit about tracking her through her ATM attempt (does that register with the bank?), but if that is possible and accurate it would explain how the PI zeroed in on Lagunas Crossing.

I might be wrong about the ATM being in Lagunas Crossing, but the fact that she tried to get money from an ATM, either in Lagunas Crossing or not far from there, has been mentioned a couple of times (don't know where and I can't find it now). Also, on the HFJ Facebook site, CN stated that there was video of Jenny at this ATM (can't find this now either).

What I feel I can state with high confidence, is that if the PI started asking about Jenny in Lagunas Crossing, either because something (like the ATM) led him there, or because it was the first place that Jenny would have gone through on her way to Cancun, after she left Juchitan, he (the PI) would stand a very good chance of finding the family Jenny stayed with in short order. I've been through Lagunas Crossing twice and can verify that it is a tiny place.

 

[KaaBoom]

I hate to be one of those people who has not read all the threads ,so excuse my questions but did she come over on a K-1fiance visa and were they married for two years ?

I believe it was a K-3 Spousal Visa, not K-1. They married in 2012, and she moved to the US in 2013.