Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #3

[DexterMorgan]

Ole good lordy.

I would probably take him more serious if his facebook profile picture still didn't consist of him and ANOTHER Woman that he is not kin to. Jmo.

Wth. Your spouse is missing and possibly murdered or sex trafficked in another country.

But 14 months later; You still don't have the decency to show respect and take that other gal out of your Facebook avatar that blatantly shows ya having a wonderful time on the slopes?

Okay. So Johnny has deleted Jenny's Facebook pictures and any negative post or threads on the Find Jenny page.

But hold up.

He still thinks that his skiing trip pic with that other gal should rightfully stay up as his facebook avatar while asking Facebook users for help to find his missing wife?

Wow.

He obviously knows more than us.

Because I have never seen not 1 help find my wife Facebook page where the hubby kept his avatar pic of him and another lady on a skiing trip for the entire 16 months that his wife was missing and presumed dead or abducted and sold.

Wow. Jmo.

Btw. I will bet a million dollars that any new people that visited the page to help find his missing wife; Would probably assume that Jenny (his wife) is the gal in his avatar picture at first.

Jmo.

 

[bears10]

Btw. I will bet a million dollars that any new people that visited the page to help find his missing wife; Would probably assume that Jenny (his wife) is the gal in his avatar picture at first.

Jmo.

I could be wrong but I don't remember his profile pic ever being a missing flyer for Jenny. More often than not family members do that when their loved ones go missing. To spread awareness. Many also post flyers on their pages with pleas for people to share the flyer, to get the word out. JR is quite different in that sense.

 

[slowpoke]

Oh my. Turns out, that latest news story of the almost-trafficked girl in Puebla has turned out to be a hoax, as alerted by a commenter on the HFJ page. The girl made up the story and instead ran off to be with her boyfriend.

Here's one translated link to the update:
https://translate.google.com/transl...-fuga-novio-luego-finge-secuestrada-tratantes

JR had wanted to speak to this girl to ask her if she by chance encountered Jenny. Guess not...

 

[Lilibet]

Btw. I will bet a million dollars that any new people that visited the page to help find his missing wife; Would probably assume that Jenny (his wife) is the gal in his avatar picture at first.

Jmo.

More than one person visiting this thread has wondered about his FB picture. I have never been able to figure out if he is clueless and tone deaf or if he is sending a snarky message to Jenny. You would think that the friend in the photo would encourage him to change the photo. Personally, I have always found it to be disrespectful to Jenny to post a photo with another woman even before she disappeared and leave it there this whole time.

I could be wrong but I don't remember his profile pic ever being a missing flyer for Jenny. More often than not family members do that when their loved ones go missing. To spread awareness. Many also post flyers on their pages with pleas for people to share the flyer, to get the word out. JR is quite different in that sense.

No, you're not wrong. He has never changed his profile picture to a missing flyer or posted much about Jenny except to thank people for money. He's very different IMO.

 

[bears10]

Oh my. Turns out, that latest news story of the almost-trafficked girl in Puebla has turned out to be a hoax, as alerted by a commenter on the HFJ page. The girl made up the story and instead ran off to be with her boyfriend.

Here's one translated link to the update:
https://translate.google.com/transl...-fuga-novio-luego-finge-secuestrada-tratantes

JR had wanted to speak to this girl to ask her if she by chance encountered Jenny. Guess not...

Just an opinion but i don't think she was trafficked. A Chinese woman in Mexico sticks out like a sore thumb. I think she is either no longer with us, or hopefully went back to china. I am hoping she went back to china and that's why her family is quiet. A lot of things just don't add up. Sorry, but if I was to leave the country, especially to go to somewhere as potentially dangerous as mexico, my husband would certainly have my phone number for crying out loud. I think she wanted to get away from him like a bat out of hell. Whether she met foul play along the way is the question.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Just an opinion but i don't think she was trafficked. A Chinese woman in Mexico sticks out like a sore thumb. I think she is either no longer with us, or hopefully went back to china. I am hoping she went back to china and that's why her family is quiet. A lot of things just don't add up. Sorry, but if I was to leave the country, especially to go to somewhere as potentially dangerous as mexico, my husband would certainly have my phone number for crying out loud. I think she wanted to get away from him like a bat out of hell. Whether she met foul play along the way is the question.

Yup. You summed it up perfectly.

 

[Lilibet]

In this post and his comments from a few days ago, JR is all jazzed about starting a foundation... "I am going to take the message to the USA to get justice against those who traffic and enslave women!!"

It's a noble and ambitious cause and he discusses it further with JD who runs a missing persons website...they may join forces. But then JR says he will "first focus on fundraising." :facepalm: I feel like this is where we came in.

It will be interesting to see if he goes about this new venture in a more organized and professional way than he conducted publicity about Jenny's disappearance. Will he form a non-profit? Hone his communication skills? Hire a PR person? Time will tell.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/helpfindjenny/permalink/815442431964136/

 

[Lilibet]

Just an opinion but i don't think she was trafficked. A Chinese woman in Mexico sticks out like a sore thumb. I think she is either no longer with us, or hopefully went back to china. I am hoping she went back to china and that's why her family is quiet. A lot of things just don't add up. Sorry, but if I was to leave the country, especially to go to somewhere as potentially dangerous as mexico, my husband would certainly have my phone number for crying out loud. I think she wanted to get away from him like a bat out of hell. Whether she met foul play along the way is the question.

Good post. It boggles my mind that she wouldn't give him her phone number. That's a marrige on the rocks IMO.

I recently posted that I didn't think she went back to China because of the negative things she said about it. But in thinking further...she wasn't that impressed with how things are done in Mexico, so China may have looked pretty good after all. If she was wanting to get away from JR, going back to family makes sense. We can hope. But I'm inclined to think she met with foul play.

 

[GigTu]

She went to all the trouble to woo and finally marry a man from the US so he could get her here. I don't think she went back to China jmo. I also don't think she's alive, but that's a different conversation. jmo

 

[slowpoke]

Bolded by me:

Just an opinion but i don't think she was trafficked. A Chinese woman in Mexico sticks out like a sore thumb. I think she is either no longer with us, or hopefully went back to china. I am hoping she went back to china and that's why her family is quiet. A lot of things just don't add up. Sorry, but if I was to leave the country, especially to go to somewhere as potentially dangerous as mexico, my husband would certainly have my phone number for crying out loud. I think she wanted to get away from him like a bat out of hell. Whether she met foul play along the way is the question.

I do wonder if Jenny's family's silence could be due more to China not being a free, open society, and not that Jenny is actually back home with them.

It seems Jenny was harshly rebuked on Chinese social media for her "I hate China" declaration. Her family, by extension, perhaps got a public shaming as well. Maybe Jenny's attitude wouldn't sit well with the their government, either, though we have no evidence of her having been on the "radar" as an anti-China activist.

Her family might know they could not expect much sympathy or assistance from their country, so they helplessly just leave it up to and wait for JR to find her. So sad for them, if this is the case.
JMO

 

[bajatacos]

Wow, he really deleted her personal Facebook? If a loved one was missing and possibly killed, the last thing I'd ever want is to delete something that represented them so vividly . . . their photos, words, unique spirit. It's like he's erasing her. Not to mention, if he really believes she may still be out there, why eliminate a possible way for her to communicate?

I don't think his "find Jenny" campaign has ever felt like it was really about Jenny at all, which has always been so unsettling to me.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Wow, he really deleted her personal Facebook? If a loved one was missing and possibly killed, the last thing I'd ever want is to delete something that represented them so vividly . . . their photos, words, unique spirit. It's like he's erasing her. Not to mention, if he really believes she may still be out there, why eliminate a possible way for her to communicate?

I don't think his "find Jenny" campaign has ever felt like it was really about Jenny at all, which has always been so unsettling to me.

He's a hinky individual, for sure.

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[Jennifer17]

I lived in Asia for many years and I think that western men think Asian women are throwaway items.

 

[bajatacos]

Yeah, the type of guy who intentionally seeks out a young Asian woman as a wife tends to have pretty messed up views about women in general, I've noticed. Combined with social awkwardness and a lack of charm that makes it hard for them to find girlfriends in their own country. Just based on personal observations . . .

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Just an opinion but i don't think she was trafficked. A Chinese woman in Mexico sticks out like a sore thumb. I think she is either no longer with us, or hopefully went back to china. I am hoping she went back to china and that's why her family is quiet. A lot of things just don't add up. Sorry, but if I was to leave the country, especially to go to somewhere as potentially dangerous as mexico, my husband would certainly have my phone number for crying out loud. I think she wanted to get away from him like a bat out of hell. Whether she met foul play along the way is the question.

Bolded by me:

I do wonder if Jenny's family's silence could be due more to China not being a free, open society, and not that Jenny is actually back home with them.

It seems Jenny was harshly rebuked on Chinese social media for her "I hate China" declaration. Her family, by extension, perhaps got a public shaming as well. Maybe Jenny's attitude wouldn't sit well with the their government, either, though we have no evidence of her having been on the "radar" as an anti-China activist.

Her family might know they could not expect much sympathy or assistance from their country, so they helplessly just leave it up to and wait for JR to find her. So sad for them, if this is the case.
JMO

Another possible reason I've thought of for Jenny's family's and friends' silence: Maybe they were able to locate her in Mexico or elsewhere with assistance from the Chinese embassy/the Chinese equivalent of State Department, but she was in a bad place mentally or among the homeless when found. If something like that happened, they might have just quietly taken her back to China.

Though there are vast differences among various Asian cultures, I think one commonality is the shame associated with mental illness. This may not be the case so much these days, but I remember my grandfather hiring a PI to investigate my uncle's and aunt's potential suitors and their families when I was growing up in Japan in the 80's (my dad married an American -my mom-, so they couldn't do that with her, especially back in the 70's ... ha):

"One method of investigation in urban Japan is through a kooshinjo, or detective agency. In rural areas a common investigative method is to personally ask about the family of interest by questioning shopkeepers and neighbors: kuchikiki (“inquiry of mouth”). More recently, the nakōdo gathers information about the family in question by asking around and comparing responses: kikiawaseru/toriawaseru (“inquire variously and compare”). If all criteria are acceptable, the matchmaker arranges an interview for a miai."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miai

"When things progressed accordingly, it was time to hire someone from kooshinjo or a private inquiry agency and investigate each other’s background, especially criminal and mental history of the family."
http://japanesevsamerican.blogspot.com/2008/05/marriage-by-chieko-lowry.html

And through such investigation, if a person is found to suffer from a psychiatric illness, not only that individual, but the entire family can be ostracized by the community.

A scenario like this would also explain the lack of additional information from the embassy, IMO.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

You're right. That slid right by me. Funding has slowed to a drip, not even a trickle. I just read every single one of his 100 updates and the quote on this guy's post of JR asking Jenny to come back is actually an old update, not a new comment.

I wonder if he ever paid the PI...he was way behind paying him months ago.

This is a fundraising update (#82) I don't remember seeing on the HFJ FB page. It's from about three months ago. I know is off limits, but I'm going to post it anyway because it fills in some blanks and answers questions we have. It also convinces me that JR is not involved in Jenny's disappearance.

We are at a standstill in the investigation until we get the police ( they are they only ones who can do this) to extract information from the primary suspects. We also need to obtain vital information from one source ( I can't publicly say which) I am trying to be patient and allow the authorities to do what was promised by the new administration.
What has been done:
Interviews and testimonies by witnesses
Interviews by Corona truck drivers
Jenny's entire route has been mapped and witnesses along the way have been deposed.
Pressure on Corona itself to cooperate.
Testimonies by all who met Jenny along her trip
Jenny's bank information has been examined
Jenny's cell phone information has been examined
GPS data (some) have been examined
I have personally traveled to Mexico 8 times to meet with prosecutors and much more off the record.
There is more to do to discover what happened to my wife, but we need to have the police do their part. Once we have some answers from the suspects,there will be a complete new case and lots of work to be done. I am not and will never give on on Jenny.

Helpful information. However, is JR ever going to say anything about Jenny's passport history since the day she was last seen? Did her 10-year green card arrive in the mail at their address in Seattle?

I know he has complained about the lack of assistance from the American government agencies repeatedly ("Contact the local consulate (for the 5th time)-NO HELP, Thanks for taking my taxes!" [Not that they shouldn't help you, but you have been behind on your taxes for years, too, JR]), but I've come to the conclusion that he is someone who will always find something to complain about everything. I do not mean to criticize; rather, that is just who he is, IMO.

Maybe JR is afraid to look into Jenny's passport history at this point. If he were to do that today and found out she is back in China or slipped back into the US via JFK or something, would he be willing to share that with others? Or would he be too proud to do that after 13 months?

 

[Lilibet]

Wow, he really deleted her personal Facebook? If a loved one was missing and possibly killed, the last thing I'd ever want is to delete something that represented them so vividly . . . their photos, words, unique spirit. It's like he's erasing her. Not to mention, if he really believes she may still be out there, why eliminate a possible way for her to communicate?

I don't think his "find Jenny" campaign has ever felt like it was really about Jenny at all, which has always been so unsettling to me.

I believe the FB page is still there, but he did erase her trip (most of it is still on weibo though). I think he got frustrated about the awful posts someone was posting to Jenny's page accusing him of doing something to her. So rather than delete just those posts, he deleted all her Mexico posts or made them invisible. That just made people more suspicious!

"Unsettling" is a good word for his "find Jenny" campaign. He seems to be someone who just reacts rather than thinks about what he's doing or saying. It's all about him. From the beginning, he seemed to have an "agenda" to slam the government for not helping. This always seemed highly ironic to me, considering his lengthy scofflaw history with unpaid traffic/parking tickets, a history of business lawsuits against him and having a recent IRS lien (or something) put in place right before Jenny disappeared. There's more, but I'm pushing the sleuthing envelope. He had the nerve to ask, when he couldn't get help from his congressman, "Why do we pay taxes?" (Or words to that effect) I kid you not!

 

[Lilibet]

Helpful information. However, is JR ever going to say anything about Jenny's passport history since the day she was last seen? Did her 10-year green card arrive in the mail at their address in Seattle?

I know he has complained about the lack of assistance from the American government agencies repeatedly ("Contact the local consulate (for the 5th time)-NO HELP, Thanks for taking my taxes!" [Not that they shouldn't help you, but you have been behind on your taxes for years, too, JR]), but I've come to the conclusion that he is someone who will always find something to complain about everything. I do not mean to criticize; rather, that is just who he is, IMO.

Maybe JR is afraid to look into Jenny's passport history at this point. If he were to do that today and found out she is back in China or slipped back into the US via JFK or something, would he be willing to share that with others? Or would he be too proud to do that after 13 months?

BBM

Ha! I was typing while you posted. Thanks for digging up the exact quote about taxes.

I'm inclined to believe he would not share passport info that indicated that Jenny had "escaped."

 

[Lilibet]

Bolded by me:

I do wonder if Jenny's family's silence could be due more to China not being a free, open society, and not that Jenny is actually back home with them.

It seems Jenny was harshly rebuked on Chinese social media for her "I hate China" declaration. Her family, by extension, perhaps got a public shaming as well. Maybe Jenny's attitude wouldn't sit well with the their government, either, though we have no evidence of her having been on the "radar" as an anti-China activist.

Her family might know they could not expect much sympathy or assistance from their country, so they helplessly just leave it up to and wait for JR to find her. So sad for them, if this is the case.
JMO

BBM

I agree that the family's silence may be connected to Jenny's anti-China comments. The embassy did help, but that may be all they would do. I doubt the family can say much.

Another possible reason I've thought of for Jenny's family's and friends' silence: Maybe they were able to locate her in Mexico or elsewhere with assistance from the Chinese embassy/the Chinese equivalent of State Department, but she was in a bad place mentally or among the homeless when found. If something like that happened, they might have just quietly taken her back to China.

Though there are vast differences among various Asian cultures, I think one commonality is the shame associated with mental illness.

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And through such investigation, if a person is found to suffer from a psychiatric illness, not only that individual, but the entire family can be ostracized by the community.

A scenario like this would also explain the lack of additional information from the embassy, IMO.

BBM

I believe Jenny wrote extensively about her curiosity about mental illness, partly because it is something not spoken of in China due to shame. So your scenario that they may have quietly taken her back to China for this reason is a real possibility.

Thanks for your interesting information about the investigation process.

Yeah, the type of guy who intentionally seeks out a young Asian woman as a wife tends to have pretty messed up views about women in general, I've noticed. Combined with social awkwardness and a lack of charm that makes it hard for them to find girlfriends in their own country. Just based on personal observations . . .

BBM

Interesting observation. Thanks. I was actually surprised to learn that JR had been married before in WA. I'm not sure for how long, but a number of years. That doesn't argue against what you're saying at all IMO.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I believe the FB page is still there, but he did erase her trip (most of it is still on weibo though). I think he got frustrated about the awful posts someone was posting to Jenny's page accusing him of doing something to her. So rather than delete just those posts, he deleted all her Mexico posts or made them invisible. That just made people more suspicious!

"Unsettling" is a good word for his "find Jenny" campaign. He seems to be someone who just reacts rather than thinks about what he's doing or saying. It's all about him. From the beginning, he seemed to have an "agenda" to slam the government for not helping. This always seemed highly ironic to me, considering his lengthy scofflaw history with unpaid traffic/parking tickets, a history of business lawsuits against him and having a recent IRS lien (or something) put in place right before Jenny disappeared. There's more, but I'm pushing the sleuthing envelope. He had the nerve to ask, when he couldn't get help from his congressman, "Why do we pay taxes?" (Or words to that effect) I kid you not!

But since he has access to her Facebook page. He could have left up her pictures and simply set her page for no comments. But he chose to totally erase her page while leaving it up.

But. Lol. I guess he never had her weibo password since Jenny probably started hiding information from him. Idk