Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #4

[webant]

[FONT=&amp] If the shopkeepers were planning, along with this ride-offering friend, to do harm to Jenny, they (the shopkeepers) would not have mentioned the friend and the ride offer to investigators.

If the shopkeepers are innocent, and their friend picked Jenny up, the shopkeepers would have reported this (just like they reported the ride offer, they would have reported a pickup). But that is not what was reported.

If the ride-offering friend got Jenny out of the corona truck after it had already picked Jenny up, the innocent shopkeepers would have had to tell the friend that Jenny had been picked up by the corona truck (having arrived after the corona truck, the friend would not have known this otherwise). If they had told the friend about the corona truck, they would have reported telling the friend about the truck to investigators. But, this is not what the shopkeepers reported (as far as we know).

For me, the most likely scenario remains that of the shopkeepers and their friend being innocent, and that the corona driver picked up Jenny, as reported.
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[GigTu]

Agreed. Corona driver = least resistant explanation

 

[Lilibet]

Agreed. Corona driver = least resistant explanation

Yes, Occam’s Razor for sure. But it’s been interesting to explore other possible scenarios. I would like to know if LE talked to the friend who was going to give Jenny a ride to Cancun. I would really like to know why he would agree to do this huge favor and if his story matches the Lagunas storekeepers. What time did he finally arrive, only to find Jenny gone? Would he have driven in the opposite direction due to teachers’ strikes as the Corona driver did? Or was that a ruse by the Corona driver, as we suspect?

 

[webant]

Yes, Occam’s Razor for sure. But it’s been interesting to explore other possible scenarios. I would like to know if LE talked to the friend who was going to give Jenny a ride to Cancun. I would really like to know why he would agree to do this huge favor and if his story matches the Lagunas storekeepers. What time did he finally arrive, only to find Jenny gone? Would he have driven in the opposite direction due to teachers’ strikes as the Corona driver did? Or was that a ruse by the Corona driver, as we suspect?

There is another vehicle that could have been checked for evidence of Jenny having been in it.

I know many times there are some amazing and unexpected twists and turns in these cases.

 

[Satchie]

There is another vehicle that could have been checked for evidence of Jenny having been in it.

I know many times there are some amazing and unexpected twists and turns in these cases.

That's what police would do in rich countries like the US and Canada, but Mexican police don't use those types of investigative/forensic techniques, and especially not in a remote area like rural Oaxaca.

Here's a press release about US efforts to support the upgrading to basic standards of the 2 big city forensic labs, both are around Mexico City. https://mx.usembassy.gov/helping-co...nal-justice-system-support-forensic-sciences/ and another to support training of investigators https://mx.usembassy.gov/creation-n...olidation-new-criminal-justice-system-mexico/

I'm quite sure there are no mobile forensic labs, police academy-trained detectives, sniffer dogs, etc, available in such a remote area of Oaxaca.

As well, the press releases above refers to the 'new justice system'. This is just developing in places like Mexico city, and will be modeled along lines of police investigation we're familiar with, but will take a long time to reach places like SW Oaxaca.

The old system, which applies throughout Latin America, was based on a society where crime was uncommon and everybody in a community knew each other and watched over each other, because they all lived and worked in close proximity, and no one had vehicles, private rooms, or other means to conceal a crime, unless they were strangers (which is why you would never trust strangers). If a crime happened, the grapevine would ensure everyone would know what happened, the police would be called in and the locals would denounce the accused and provide the information.

Also, individuals in Mexico mostly don't pay taxes. They're poor, it's a cash economy, there's no tax base to pay for highly advanced police services.

I don't think any of this is the fault of Mexico or Mexican people. It's what the US and Canada were like less than 100 years ago.

 

[DexterMorgan]

[FONT=&] If the shopkeepers were planning, along with this ride-offering friend, to do harm to Jenny, they (the shopkeepers) would not have mentioned the friend and the ride offer to investigators.

If the shopkeepers are innocent, and their friend picked Jenny up, the shopkeepers would have reported this (just like they reported the ride offer, they would have reported a pickup). But that is not what was reported.

If the ride-offering friend got Jenny out of the corona truck after it had already picked Jenny up, the innocent shopkeepers would have had to tell the friend that Jenny had been picked up by the corona truck (having arrived after the corona truck, the friend would not have known this otherwise). If they had told the friend about the corona truck, they would have reported telling the friend about the truck to investigators. But, this is not what the shopkeepers reported (as far as we know).

For me, the most likely scenario remains that of the shopkeepers and their friend being innocent, and that the corona driver picked up Jenny, as reported.
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Not if the rideshare driver was a family member that they don't want to get in trouble. Jmo.

Plus they had to mention certain things because they were located as being the last people to take in Jenny.

Plus they wouldn't have known if she posted about them or the supposed ride in a email or text or call to someone.

So the shopkeepers could have easily been covering their basics by giving the information up once they were found.

Because I know they were probably shocked that Jenny's movements were tracked back to them in the first place.

Which I still find unbelievable as well. Jmo. But that quick find of her notebook and the shopkeepers was just too quick for me.

So I still got JR on my hinky list at the moment.

 

[webant]

[FONT=&quot]You could be right, but I am not convinced.

I’ve been to Lagunas Crossing twice since Jenny disappeared. There is very little there. No cyber café. I would not be surprised if there was no Wifi or cell tower signal. In any event, Jenny was with that family for only a short time and quite possibly never out of their sight. If the family knew that their ride-offering friend (friend or possibly family member) had something to hide, and the family wanted to protect this person, I believe they would not have mentioned them at all. Not unless they were first asked about the person by an investigator.

Regarding the need to acknowledge having taken in Jenny for the night, I agree that the family would have needed to say something to investigators about this, as Jenny could have been seen leaving their residence and hitchhiking in front of the residence the following day. If the family had anything to hide, all they would need to say is ‘yes, Jenny stayed with us and then left the next day to hitchhike…we didn’t see who picked her up.’ No reason for an investigator to doubt that statement.

Jenny was tracked by her attempted use of an ATM and then the PI making inquiries from that point, in the direction of travel that Jenny would have been known to have been heading in. It doesn’t surprise or alarm me that the PI located her in Lagunas Crossing relatively quickly.
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[webant]

I'm quite sure there are no mobile forensic labs, police academy-trained detectives, sniffer dogs, etc, available in such a remote area of Oaxaca..

I wouldn’t expect a mobile forensics lab (not sure you would get one in the States either). I would expect the vehicle(s) to be transported to the lab.

Helping to Consolidate Mexico’s New Criminal Justice System through support for Forensic Sciences
https://mx.usembassy.gov/helping-co...nal-justice-system-support-forensic-sciences/
“One area of focus of US government assistance is aiding Mexican forensic laboratories to achieve accreditation to ISO 17020 and ISO 17025 standards by the ANSI-ASQ National Accreditation Board (ANAB) in six core disciplines – ballistics, fingerprints, genetics/DNA, chemistry, questioned documents, crime scene investigation…Since the program began in December 2015, the PGR forensics laboratory in Mexico City has achieved accreditation to ISO 17025 standards in the disciplines of ballistics, questioned documents, genetics/DNA, chemistry; and the forensics laboratory in State of Queretaro has been accredited to ISO 17020 standards in the discipline of crime scene investigation.”

This program had begun well before Jenny disappeared. Reason enough for the truck to have been 'sold'?

 

[DexterMorgan]

Why hasn't he shown us his worried text messages and emails and sm post that he was sending to her the 4 days that he was out there to meet her?

But I think I know why.

There is none. Jmo

 

[webant]

Why hasn't he shown us his worried text messages and emails and sm post that he was sending to her the 4 days that he was out there to meet her?

But I think I know why.

There is none. Jmo

I doubt JR would feel the need to share them with us.

He also might not have saved them.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I doubt JR would feel the need to share them with us.

He also might not have saved them.

They automatically save. We seen posts that her friends were commenting on. But none from him.

But in all honesty Web. I think Jenny ran back to China or the U.S under a different name or something.

Atleast we hope she did.

 

[webant]

[FONT=&quot]Did JR ever communicate with Jenny via SM? I mean even before she disappeared.

Text messages and emails are easily deleted by the user; however, LE detectives can retrieve them.
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[DexterMorgan]

[FONT="]Did JR ever communicate with Jenny via SM? I mean even before she disappeared.

Text messages and emails are easily deleted by the user; however, LE detectives can retrieve them.
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Well why delete texts and emails that you are frantically sending to your missing spouse?

You have to personally delete those if so.

Plus Jr supposedly didn't have her new phone number. So he should have been at least sending her his updates via social media or social media messaging.

Especially since he was flying down there to meet his wife that never showed up. Jmo.

Those messages should still be around. Jmo

 

[webant]

I wouldn’t expect a mobile forensics lab (not sure you would get one in the States either). I would expect the vehicle(s) to be transported to the lab.

That is, if the truck were still in Mexico. That truck could have been sold outside of Mexico, to a person or entity in one of the Central American countries south of the border. Sold in such a way as to render it irretrievable by Mexican LE.

 

[webant]

Well why delete texts and emails that you are frantically sending to your missing spouse?

You have to personally delete those if so.

Plus Jr supposedly didn't have her new phone number. So he should have been at least sending her his updates via social media or social media messaging.

Especially since he was flying down there to meet his wife that never showed up. Jmo.

Those messages should still be around. Jmo

JR might indeed still have the text and email messages, but I doubt he would feel the need to share them with us, even if he were reading Websleuths posts.

Would JR communicate via SM, where anyone in the world could read what would likely be considered private. I wouldn't. Maybe after she disappeared he would make an emergency post, but maybe not...if he were not already in the habit of communicating with her that way.

 

[DexterMorgan]

JR might indeed still have the text and email messages, but I doubt he would feel the need to share them with us, even if he were reading Websleuths posts.

Would JR communicate via SM, where anyone in the world could read what would likely be considered private. I wouldn't. Maybe after she disappeared he would make an emergency post, but maybe not...if he were not already in the habit of communicating with her that way.

Jr was down there and asking for money to help. Now just because the U.S Government didn't investigate his emails. He should at least prove to his followers that he tried everything possible to contact his wife. Jmo.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Btw. Jr deleted most of her Facebook posts. But most husbands would keep up every loving memory that their wife shared of the good times. Jmo.

So he didn't privatise her Facebook postings. He simply deleted her ventures.

Jmo.

 

[Lilibet]

Btw. Jr deleted most of her Facebook posts. But most husbands would keep up every loving memory that their wife shared of the good times. Jmo.

So he didn't privatise her Facebook postings. He simply deleted her ventures.

Jmo.

The posts were “deleted” when someone started posting accusations about JR to the page and commenting on some of Jenny’s posts. I don’t blame him for shutting this person down and I don’t know if the posts were actually deleted or just hidden. In any case, Jenny posted most of the same things simultaneously to Weibo, so they are still visible and linked on the Timeline/Media thread.

 

[Satchie]

The "victim friendly" rule extends to the family members of victims and suspects. Sleuthing family members, friends, and others who have not been designated as suspects is not allowed. Don't make random accusations, suggest their involvement, nor bash and attack them

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...iquette-amp-Information&p=2279603#post2279603

 

[Tssiemer]

We’re still no closer to finding her.


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