MI MI - Danielle Stislicki, 28, Southfield, 2 Dec 2016 #12

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I've posted this before but an acquaintance of my husband's disappeared with not a single drop of blood or sign of a struggle, or any forensic evidence of any sort. There was no surveillance video, no eye witness of her with her killer. Her killer was convicted based on cell phone pings, testimony from one of her friends, and her diary. I think these sorts of convictions are getting easier. Juries don't easily believe that the person is just alive and living a new life these days, especially when there is other evidence.

If I were in the jury I would have a hard time convicting someone under these circumstances. Maybe the accused had a crappy lawyer. But of course I don't know any other details than the one you have mentioned here.
Can you tell us who the perp or victim were? Cell phone pings aren't particularly accurate regarding the location of a person.
 
  • #42
If I were in the jury I would have a hard time convicting someone under these circumstances. Maybe the accused had a crappy lawyer. But of course I don't know any other details than the one you have mentioned here.
Can you tell us who the perp or victim were? Cell phone pings aren't particularly accurate regarding the location of a person.

Or, perhaps Leyla Namaranian's jury was just full of reasonable people who did a good job of considering the evidence. The standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt," not "beyond a shadow of a doubt."


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  • #43
Or, perhaps Leyla Namaranian's jury was just full of reasonable people who did a good job of considering the evidence. The standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt," not "beyond a shadow of a doubt."


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Her killer also had a prior history of violence and there was a huge trail of texts etc between them. They were in an on again off again relationship for years. There was also a woman he tried to use as an alibi that didn't back him up. There was a lot of evidence in that case even without a body.

Hopefully Dani has the same trail if she was having an affair with SG.

Unfortunately it took 3 years to arrest that guy. I hope Dani gets justice a heck of a lot quicker.
 
  • #44
Her killer also had a prior history of violence and there was a huge trail of texts etc between them. They were in an on again off again relationship for years. There was also a woman he tried to use as an alibi that didn't back him up. There was a lot of evidence in that case even without a body.

Hopefully Dani has the same trail if she was having an affair with SG.

Unfortunately it took 3 years to arrest that guy. I hope Dani gets justice a heck of a lot quicker.

I just looked up the case. Apparently the killer of Leyla admitted to police that he was at her house,
after initially denying it. That is also an important detail.

In Dani's case I am pessimistic. If the security guard is guilty, and he made contradicting statements to police without a lawyer, I think a conviction without a body is possible. But if he hasn't made any statements and police can only prove that she was at his house at one point, I am not sure if that would be sufficient.
 
  • #45
I so want Dani to come home safe! I hate to say it, but I do not think that will happen:( prayers for her family and friends! They have been put through so much, and remain so strong!


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  • #46
Channel 4 news was on tonight and I only caught a part of it. They mentioned the case and I thought talking with the Stislicki's and to watch tomorrow (Wednesday) at 11 pm
 
  • #47
I just looked up the case. Apparently the killer of Leyla admitted to police that he was at her house,
after initially denying it. That is also an important detail.

In Dani's case I am pessimistic. If the security guard is guilty, and he made contradicting statements to police without a lawyer, I think a conviction without a body is possible. But if he hasn't made any statements and police can only prove that she was at his house at one point, I am not sure if that would be sufficient.

I don't know why anyone would be making pessimistic judgments at this time without any real knowledge of what evidence might or might not be present. All we know is that they took a mattress and floorboards, which seems like they could yield some pretty good evidence depending on what that evidence is. For all we know, there is video footage, forensic evidence in her car, and so and so-forth. We do know that a conviction without a body is possible, even without extensive forensics, which was my point. Juries do not need a body. They do not need forensics. A jury comprising sensible people needs evidence that taken as a whole leaves them without a reasonable doubt as to who committed a crime.

I hope to God that this is all moot and that Dani will be home with her family, but to express pessimism that if she is a victim of a crime that her crime will result in a conviction unless she is found seems premature and uninformed to me.
 
  • #48
Channel 4 news was on tonight and I only caught a part of it. They mentioned the case and I thought talking with the Stislicki's and to watch tomorrow (Wednesday) at 11 pm

They just showed a preview for it. It's an interview with her parents airing tonight at 11.


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Great graphic! I'm glad you said, "At least . . .." The more I think it over, the more probable it seems that someone must have assisted after the fact (although I'd say you were being mighty magnanimous in using the word "person;" that sure isn't one of the terms that comes to mind when I think about her victimizer).
 
  • #52
"Danielle was our potential, the best of us,"

I wish on the stars I see so bright at night, we will find out who did this with all of our might
I wish we could hold you just one more time, and that they didn't have to say you were a victim of a crime
I wish and pray for you each day, and hope we find truth before the end of May
We will not give up the search for you, with all my love and hugs to you Danielle, 'Olive Juice'

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...ng-with-her-disappearance-for-nearly-6-months
 
  • #53
Yep. I'm angry and she's not my daughter. John Walsh's anger fueled an entire career and sea change in the way these cases are handled. God bless these parents for what they have to endure at the hands of the sickos among us. If only justice were meted out as swiftly as the evil they inflict.
 
  • #54
They have the suspect, everyone knows who it is. The DA isn't going to rush into charges though, they only get one shot at him. At this point they can't even reasonably prove she's dead and that a murder took place, not enough time has passed since her disappearance. If they charge him now, having not recovered Danielle and he beat the charges, and she was then recovered a month later with rock solid evidence, they couldn't touch him. Charging him without a body is a last resort. It would have to be years before they did that.

Michigan is a huge outdoor sportsman state, tons of hunters and fisherman. Come this fall when the leaves are off the trees, fields are harvested, and thousands of people enter remote areas to hunt/fish the odds of recovering her will go up exponentially. I think they'll find her within 24 months.

Unfortunately these kind of cases take years and years for the legal system to play out. Kylr Yust still hasn't been charged with murder after the remains of Jessica Runions were discovered and likely Kara Kopetsky's as well. They may be waiting for a positive ID on Kara so they can charge him with both homocides at once as opposed to just Jessica's. But it just goes to show how long these things take. He killed at least two girls, he was convicted of burning Jessica's car after she disappeared, she's been recovered, and still no murder charges.

I could only imagine the anger and frustration of not knowing where your daughter is, not knowing what happened to her, knowing she was killed and who did it, but not being able to do anything about it and having to watch him walk around free.
 
  • #55
I agree that everyone knows who the suspect is. I agree that the DA isn't going to rush in to anything either.

Hoping her remains are recovered soon. I hear Rouge Park is quite lovely in the summertime.
 
  • #56
lol, Rouge Park is never really lovely IMO... Ahem...
 
  • #57
I agree that everyone knows who the suspect is. I agree that the DA isn't going to rush in to anything either.

Hoping her remains are recovered soon. I hear Rouge Park is quite lovely in the summertime.

(Sorry, totally OT - Nina, may I steal that unknown quote from your sig line? I'd like to have it as mine too, it is beautiful.)
 
  • #58
As I worked today, I had Dateline (Nicole Waller's story) playing in the background. I will admit I didn't pay attention to the details of the story, but a couple things caught my attention. It was a story about a man convicted of murder (life in prison), no body, and was seen moving the woman's vehicle to a new spot. A witness testified that he helped move the vehicle. He lied to police during interviews and court. I couldn't help but think of Dani's story.

http://flatheadbeacon.com/2017/05/18/dateline-nbc-air-episode-kalispell-womans-homicide/

http://www.ktvq.com/story/35475116/dateline-nbc-to-feature-murder-of-montana-woman

I know a few other different stories have been mentioned lately, so sorry if this has already been mentioned.
 
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Bumping for Dani.
 

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  • #60
Danielle and the wonderful people in her life who love her are in my thoughts today.
 
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