MI MI - Danielle Stislicki, 28, Southfield, 2 Dec 2016 #12

[msphilosopher]

I looked back and reread a lot of AA posts. There was a lot of talk about the suspicious person (who was definitely not FG) potentially driving a rental car due to out of state plates. If the encounter was related to Dani's disappearance, and if this was a rental vehicle with an accomplice, the whole thing would have had to be very premeditated, IMO. She said this took place around 6:15. That's not a lot of time between Dani last being seen and someone obtaining a rental car and getting roped into being an accomplice.

It would also have to be premeditated in the sense that the perp would have to know where her apartment was and where her car went. Unless one is to make the argument that this was just quickly smart thinking after the fact and looked up her address on her drivers license.

I've never thought of this before but maybe if this person was involved that they were trying to stage a break in/ robbery / abduction? They knew that they would be bringing her car home to show to lead people to believe she made it home... and he was looking for her apartment to case the joint so he could come back later at night?

OR if involved maybe simply looking for her apartment to enter with her keys and place her keys and phone in the apartment to stage she made it back safely. But once running into AA he got spooked and left?

I always felt like it was too big of a coincidence that AA had this very strange and odd encounter at Danielle's apartment complex an hour or so after she vanished from Met Life.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Where did AA's sighting take place?
At Met, at Berkley or at Dani's?

What did this person specifically ask her? And it was around 6 or 6:15?

Did she describe this person?

So basically, the who where what when thing? Thanks!

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I'm having a really hard time picking and choosing - so my apologies in advance if this ends up being quite lengthy.

Here are a few quotes:
"The person I had the encounter with was lost. They were attempting to find a specific address within the complex but it was dark and all the apartments look identical. He was definitely looking for someone's apartment but did not indicate whose or a number. He also abruptly started walking toward me before realizing I was on the phone. The interaction was out of place which it why I reported it."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...thfield-2-Dec-2016-10&p=13132982#post13132982

"My encounter was the same night as Danielle's. Mine was shortly after 6pm, probably around 6:10ish. The person I saw was definitely NOT SG assuming SG = FG."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...thfield-2-Dec-2016-10&p=13132088#post13132088

"Parking is $15 a month. It does not guarantee you a spot which lots of residents take issue with. Many residents have 'their' spot but it's not actually reserved. IGA did have reserved spots for awhile but they have since done away with them. -RSBM- The numbers on the sign [at your parking space] did not match the apartment number so to the casual observer, there is no way to link a sign to a specific apartment -RSBM-. If you have a reserved parking spot, it's because you were grandfathered in before they got rid of the program. From all of the pictures of Danielle's Jeep parked outside of her apartment, her car is not parked in a space with a sign therefore if it is "her" space, it's most likely because of neighbor loyalty."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-9&p=13074157#post13074157

"The information and questions they [LE] had were related to a specific person's name and SM page which can't be discussed here so I don't think the tip was from a fellow WSer. From the questions asked, I think they got a tip and may be putting pieces together, were led to someone who matched the description I gave and decided it warranted another call. Like I said, they didn't indicate it was anything but did say it had 'merit and substance.'"
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-7&p=13060233#post13060233

"No one was nearby. My parking lot was empty of people and remained so the entire time I was talking to him. Basically the only witness I had to the entire thing was my friend on the phone who heard everything and who offered to validate what was said if LE needed.
-RSBM-
I don't know if it was a rental or not but it was definitely out of state plates and definitely not a state neighboring Michigan. -RSBM- I don't know the make or the model of the car either, only what type of vehicle it was if that makes sense (i.e. If it was a truck, I would have told LE 'It was similar in size to an S10, not a Dodge Ram')."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-7&p=13060192#post13060192

"The phone call I had with LE yesterday was the fifth call I've had. They called to ask more specific questions about my encounter. It's not their first time contacting me though.

December 4 - I called them and spoke with dispatch about my encounter. She took my info and said someone would be calling me right back.

December 5 - I called back in the morning and spoke with dispatch again. They took my statement again and said someone would call. They weren't sure why the person from the previous night said someone would call right back because the detectives were not working Sunday evening.

December 5 - Detective called me in the afternoon and took my statement. He had me repeat the story from start to finish twice and then asked some questions. He asked if I could pick the person out of a crowd and I said yes. He said they would call me back.

December XX (I don't remember the exact date but before the Berkley search) - I called LE and spoke with the same detective from December 5. I indicated that I hadn't heard anything and was still uneasy about my encounter. He indicated they were 'relatively positive' my encounter and Danielle's disappearance were NOT related.

December 14 - Berkley search happened. In looking at the person listed as living at the house, it was clear the person I saw and the person possibly being investigated were absolutely not the same person.

January 9 - LE called about an anonymous tip someone else had called in that related to my encounter. They asked follow up questions, specifically about someone's SM and what the person I saw looked like. They indicated they've received about 180 tips and that my initial phone call and this subsequent follow up have 'merit and substance.' He told me if I remembered anything else to call back and if they needed more, they would call me."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-7&p=13060001#post13060001

"I did not [get a plate number]. I was able to get the state of the car but only because it was out of place for the lot and I specifically told my friend I was on the phone with, 'Some guy from _______ is lost.'"
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-7&p=13059948#post13059948

"Hi, I am the IGA woman with the encounter! The tip was called into LE before I found this site. It did take place around 6pm the day Danielle went missing, December 2. They had dismissed it as coincidence a few weeks ago but called me this morning with more questions. The information they were looking for has not been reported in MSM and revolves around SM stuff so it's nothing that can be freely talked about here as far as I know. I've maintained from my day 1 on here that I would not be giving out the description of the man I encountered and I stick to that, especially because it's seemingly back on the burner, but as I did mention before, he does not match the SG."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-7&p=13058648#post13058648

"Each building has its own specific address. For example, 12345 Independence Court houses apartments 101-106 and 12346 Independence Court houses apartments 107-112 (obviously not real addresses/apartments). If you looked at a driver's license, it would say something like '12345 Independence Court, Apt 103' but when you pull up to that building, the parking spots are not marked."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-7&p=13055681#post13055681

"I'm here . We [AA and Danielle] do not have similar vehicles."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-3&p=13014916#post13014916

"I saw that he was pulling in behind me but it was 6pm on a Friday, nothing out of the ordinary. I stopped and got my mail on the way in and was distracted with my conversation so I have no idea when he ended up behind me until we were actually pulling into the lot. He was in a vehicle that was similar color and size to one my neighbor drives so I just assumed it was them when he parked. If he was looking for an apartment, the gas station or map wouldn't have helped but he didn't ask for specifics, just if all the buildings had the same address. If he had asked for a specific apartment number, I could have pointed him in the general direction because the numbers go up the deeper you go back into the complex."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-2&p=13013813#post13013813

"There was nothing in his hand. There was approximately 10ish feet between our bumpers, maybe a bit more. He did reverse out as he was pulled in a parking spot.
-RSBM-
I feel like I can't explain it. It wasn't necessarily the questions, it was the way it all happened. The personality? Tha mannerisms? I told the police he was remarkably average except that he kept looking around. Like, head moving looking around the entire time we were talking. He very abruptly started walking toward me while still looking around. Questions were very fast, like not waiting for my response before he started talking.
-RSBM-
I hope it was just a guy looking for an apartment but it's that gut feeling that I can't shake."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-2&p=13013722#post13013722

"As posted above, I do not feel comfortable posting the exact questions in case they are part of the investigation. They were about the apartment complex but were odd to be asking. This has been agreed upon by PD and the apartment management."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uthfield-2-Dec-2016-2&p=13009573#post13009573

You can see all of her posts here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?searchid=7258471&pp=&page=1

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

AA's chance encounter in the IGA parking lot might actually turn out to be an important piece of the puzzle :thinking:

 

[LBee]

The attorney stated that he has a prior conviction for operating while impaired...does Michigan collect DNA from that type of crime? I remember some talk of collection for felonies, but not sure if a DD is a felony or not.

My thinking cap is spinning round and round on my head, regarding the DNA. IF Hines Park incident arrest was made possible by DNA comparison to FG's known DNA (which is what I *kinda* undestood from the program last night) how was his DNA in the database to begin with?
Even if they did gather DNA during the searches in regards to the Dani case, there would have already had to be FG's DNA in the database to match it to to 'label' it FG's.
So either...
1. Floyd gave them a DNA sample in cooperation with the Dani investigation (hahaha, pretty sure THAT didn't happen.)
2. At some time in the past he had submitted it for some unknown reason. Not likely, but possible.
3. Were they able to get it from an ancestry-type DNA profile? I have no idea if they would even do that, or if they could do that, or if a warrant would even be issued on such a thing.
4. They followed FG around and grabbed a discarded cigarette butt, pop bottle, etc. I have seen them do this in several other cases when a person being investigated refused to give a DNA sample but there wasn't enough to order to submit to one. Crafty cop work. Crimes have been solved by this method.

We need a layer in here, stat, to help us on this.

 

[missgulfsouth]

If he would do these things out in the open in a public space, can you imagine what he is capable of behind closed doors?

 

[thekarmabus]

The attorney stated that he has a prior conviction for operating while impaired...does Michigan collect DNA from that type of crime? I remember some talk of collection for felonies, but not sure if a DD is a felony or not.

They would not collect DNA for this. I need to watch and find the fox 2 live court room video. I swear I recall the judge stating as he was leaving that also he would need to provide a DNA sample to court. Perhaps I didn't hear it correctly. Trying to
Find the live hearing with sound now.


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[Kadie]

I'm not aware of Michigan collecting DNA for drunk driving convictions.

 

[thekarmabus]

I don't know what I heard but cannot find it now.:/ I watched the video again and heard his attorney whisper ..." we can get a trust bond at a later date... not going to get any traction on it."


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[Momma2cam]

I don't know what I heard but cannot find it now.:/ I watched the video again and heard his attorney whisper ..." we can get a trust bond at a later date... not going to get any traction on it."


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I heard that as well regarding submitting a DNA sample. It was in the beginning of the hearing when she was reading the charges. According to new laws in 2015, persons arraigned on felony charges are required to give a DNA sample.

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/01/new_michigan_laws_require_dna.html

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[missgulfsouth]

Why would he not be required to submit DNA at the time(s) his home was searched and items seized? Surely they would want his DNA for comparison when those items were tested ......

 

[Kadie]

I don't know what I heard but cannot find it now.:/ I watched the video again and heard his attorney whisper ..." we can get a trust bond at a later date... not going to get any traction on it."


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What is a trust bond?

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

Took place in IGA parking lot around 6 pm. AA was on the phone with a friend and noticed a man looking around and he approached her. She had a gut feeling something was off. He asked about if this was such and such building but never said exactly what building in complex. AA kept talking on her phone and he took off very quickly getting into and driving a vehicle with out of state license plates. AA said in no way did he resemble Floyd...but never gave us a description as it could have compromised the ongoing case.


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I can't remember if I ever wondered if this was a person who was planning on meeting FG there to pick him up? But that would be awfully fast, right? What time did she leave work again? I don't know if at 6pm FG would have been back from his home (from doing whatever), to drop off her car (and really don't think he'd drop off the car in daylight). Unless he took her to his home and locked her up and left to return the car and then friend and him went back to his house? I just don't see him teaming up with another person, though. I could see him returning the car in the evening and taking a bus back but they surely have scoured the buss surveillance by now.

 

[Momma2cam]

Why would he not be required to submit DNA at the time(s) his home was searched and items seized? Surely they would want his DNA for comparison when those items were tested ......

I would assume that as well. But, why then, would the judge order another collection? Standard procedure when reading the charges?

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[thekarmabus]

What is a trust bond?

A trust bond I believe is a short term security bond where basically all equity owned from the individual or those contributing is held by a private firm... of course with a interest rate of sorts and allowed for a bond in court. You run and everyone loses everything. I may be incorrect... been years since I studied different bonds.


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[BetteDavisEyes]

Trust bond: Short term debt security, issued usually by a holding company against securities of its subsidiary firms or by an investment trust against its own bonds or other obligations. Also called collateral trust certificate or collateral trust note.

 

[thekarmabus]

I would assume that as well. But, why then, would the judge order another collection? Standard procedure when reading the charges?

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I am assuming in the previous warrants issued it was for certain items which yes could have his DNA . Obtaining a warrant for his DNA prior to this would more than likely not be approved by a judge under the laws in which what is obtainable with the evidence shown. Now with this attempted rape and kidnapping a true DNA will be provided... they have his DNA though... just can't be used in a trial under the law.


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[BetteDavisEyes]

If he would do these things out in the open in a public space, can you imagine what he is capable of behind closed doors?

FG doesn't look particularly menacing, doesn't appear to be the sharpest crayon in the box, and is, according to Mrs. Stislicki, friendly, approachable, helpful, and shows concern for others. Things are not always as they seem: A proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing is beginning to emerge.

 

[NYArtist]

Or had someone pick him up. Set up the scene so it looks like she made it home and something happened so time is lost focusing on the area that distracts from what really happened. I very much believe there is a huge piece that detectives know that we don't, hence the search warrants. It seems obvious but a lot of people also thought "LE had nothing and was sitting around not doing anything" and now everyone's signing a different tune. I know he technically hasn't been charged for this case but they have him in a good spot I guess you could say.

I also still think that man that was reported asking for a specific building has a role in this somehow. Does Floyd throw someone else under the bus now that he is potentially locked up for awhile with this other case? I feel another shockwave will be hitting us soon just as this jogging incident did.
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I am with you on that theory. I have always felt there is more than one story to this abduction. Even mentioned once about a mistaken identity. Just can't/won't mention what that is. JMO.

 

[bellesnwhistles]

I have a couple theories but they would rely on specific details that I'm not sure of.

Is FGs house in the same direction of Livonia? Perhaps he asked why she was leaving early and she informed him of her plans. He could of said "oh, that's in the direction of my house could I have a ride?" She says yes but has to stop home first to pick up xyz (maybe food she was taking to make dinner?). That way he sees where she parks.

As for the car being parked there - how far is her residence from met life? Could he have walked back? Are there any bus stations by her house? There are MANY plausible scenarios where he could park her car and get back to met life (via an accomplice, walking, public transportation) and then be able to have say oh I was at met life, see check an uber picked me up there. Or his car was there the whole time and he lied to Dani about it either not working or not being there.

 

[monkeypants]

I would assume that as well. But, why then, would the judge order another collection? Standard procedure when reading the charges?

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How did they know to arrest him if DNA wasn't the connection? I just assumed they had samples from her fingernails or a hair and were able to link it once they got the DNA back from his house search?

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