MI MI - Elizabeth 'Connie' Converse, 49, Ann Arbor, Aug 1974

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  • #81
hec60504 said:
Both the Michigan State Police and Broward County Medical Examiners are currently in the process of matching the DNA of the UnSub found in Florida in 1974 to that of Connie Converses' father. The process is expected to take a minimum of 6 months, and is being coordinated by Florida.
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HI I note you also gave the info that the PD had her father's DNA too. I was just trying to find police reports regarding Elizabeth Converse and they say they don't have any. Do you know any dates of their filings and where the DNA came from? Thanks
 
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Katzcan said:
HI I note you also gave the info that the PD had her father's DNA too. I was just trying to find police reports regarding Elizabeth Converse and they say they don't have any. Do you know any dates of their filings and where the DNA came from? Thanks
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Welcome to Ws Katzcan!
Just noticed now that you have been posting here, only recently learned of this intriguing case, so cannot help with your research project questions, but will keep my eyes open!
 
  • #83
Katzcan said:
Hi - wondering where you read that she had severe arthritis of the lumbar spine. I've been researching her and found no evidence of such a disease - so please share your source if you can
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Hi sorry it was a while since I looked at this. Are you looking into Connie or the Jane Doe?
 
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Elizabeth Eaton "Connie" Converse
Perhaps the ultimate singer-songwriter never meant for her times, disappeared in 1974, leaving behind scant, ethereal recordings of sadness...

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Elizabeth Eaton Converse, born 1924, went missing i974.

In the 1950s, Connie Converse was a relatively unknown and unsuccessful musician.

Today, she is widely credited as the world’s first true singer-songwriter. Feeling like a failure, she quit music in 1961 and settled down into a quieter life. In 1974, still carrying the heavy burden of regret on her shoulders, she loaded her car, told her friends she was starting a new life, and disappeared, never to be heard from again.

It’s possible she committed suicide or died in some other way, but it’s also possible that she was insanely successful in her fresh start, and lived to see herself get the credit she deserved.

LINKS:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAHTmJf2xus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDVgsPle1Ak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFIMW6XN52E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btTtX6L1U8g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czRo1_qvZ1Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmwKo7AtlSk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N0Vd7v665M
 
  • #85
1977 middle aged female drowning:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

A middle aged woman’s body was pulled out of the Detroit river in 1977, basically an hour east of Ann Arbor. Age, height etc are about right. NAMUS page says “recognisable face”, but no photo posted.

Possibility?
 
  • #86
marv hucker said:
1977 middle aged female drowning:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

A middle aged woman’s body was pulled out of the Detroit river in 1977, basically an hour east of Ann Arbor. Age, height etc are about right. NAMUS page says “recognisable face”, but no photo posted.

Possibility?
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No, not with a three year gap between Connie's disappearance and the discovery of the Jane Doe.

Whatever happened to Connie—could've been suicide, could have been a car crash into a ravine or body of water—must have happened in August or September of '74.
 
  • #87
Why the surety on that? My understanding is her whereabouts and movements after august 1974 are very much unknown. She could have lived - or died - anywhere.
 
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Elizabeth "Connie" Converse
Missing since August 1974

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Elizabeth Eaton “Connie” Converse
BIRTH 3 Aug 1924
Laconia, Belknap County, New Hampshire, USA
DEATH Aug 1974 (aged 49–50)
Ann Arbor Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan, USA
BURIAL Buried or Lost at Sea, Specifically: Missing.

Musician and Composer. Born Elizabeth Converse in Laconia, New Hampshire, she became famous when New York music historian David Garland played some of the recordings of her music in a radio show. Her songs were released in March, 2009 in the album "How sad, how lovely". She is remembered for having her whereabouts unknown after August, 1974.

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Elizabeth Eaton “Connie” Converse (1924-1974) -...
 
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A black pre-1974 Volkswagen Beetle similar to the one owned by Connie.
 
  • #93
Ozoner said:
No, not with a three year gap between Connie's disappearance and the discovery of the Jane Doe.

Whatever happened to Connie—could've been suicide, could have been a car crash into a ravine or body of water—must have happened in August or September of '74.
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In the VAST majority of resolved cases where a person has disappeared along with a vehicle, the vehicle ended up in the water or, occasionally, a ravine or patch of dense brush. A tiny percentage of those disappearances are have turned out to be homicides.

I've never seen a case of someone disappearing with a vehicle, living for three years, and then dying under mysterious circumstances—with the vehicle still missing. You could say that anything is possible, but at some point the odds of a particular event occurring are so infinitesimal that they might as well be zero.
 
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I highly recommend the new book @MrsWatson linked above, If Anyone Should Ever Ask, even though it’s left me kind of depressed.

Well-written and researched, it doesn’t ‘solve the mystery’ , but I think it answers the question (‘what happened to Connie Converse?’) pretty convincingly.

“How sad, how lovely.”
-CC
 
  • #96
cenazoic said:
I highly recommend the new book @MrsWatson linked above, If Anyone Should Ever Ask, even though it’s left me kind of depressed.

Well-written and researched, it doesn’t ‘solve the mystery’ , but I think it answers the question (‘what happened to Connie Converse?’) pretty convincingly.

“How sad, how lovely.”
-CC
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Does the book support the theory of suicide? I think that's been the default theory for most people over the years.

Second on the list would be an accidental drowning in her vehicle. It would be hard to rule out that possibility unless there's compelling evidence that she was suicidal at the time of her disappearance.
 
  • #97
Ozoner said:
Does the book support the theory of suicide?
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It doesn’t ‘support’ it so much as ‘sensitively imply’ that’s the likely case, and why. :)

Of course it’s possible that some malice or misadventure occurred, but probably unlikely.
 
  • #98
cenazoic said:
It doesn’t ‘support’ it so much as ‘sensitively imply’ that’s the likely case, and why. :)

Of course it’s possible that some malice or misadventure occurred, but probably unlikely.
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Got it.

I think that she may have committed suicide by driving her vehicle into a body of water. If that's the case, she and her vehicle may be found some day.

It's also possible that she simply abandoned her vehicle somewhere. I doubt that abandoned vehicles were consistently logged back then. They were probably just hauled to the nearest junkyard.
 
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