GUILTY MI - Florence Unger, 37, murdered, Benzie County, 24 Oct 2003

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CYBERLAW....I just read on here that Florence and her attorney had met with Unger 4 days before the vacation and he was told that his vices were going to be exposed in court. It sounds like they were trying to get him to back off or they would use the drugs, etc against him. I'll bet he was one ticked off man after hearing that threat.

Granted that he could have murdered her anywhere but when two people are getting a divorce and are battling over their children or anything else and that person is involved in heavy duty drugs you know he could be dangerous. Especially when this guy didn't want a divorce. So the sane person of the two needs to be on guard and not place them selves in a situation where they could easily get hurt. Like going off with him alone.

My daughter had one of the best divorce attorneys in this area. When they went to court her husband didn't show but just in case...after the proceeding was to start the judge allowed only my daughter...her attorney...himself...the bailff and two deputy sheriffs in the room and he made sure that the door was locked. When my daughter left the court the 2 deputys walked her to her car and followed her for a ways. He had threatened her life and the judge and attorney knew that he was dangerous.

Her attorney would never have suggested that she go away with him for a weekend. They also had a child and he threatened to fight for custody. Even that threat wouldn't have gotten my daughter to spend a weekend alone with him. He was also doing drugs and those drugs make a psycopath even crazier.

My daughter's ex did murder her about a month after the divorce was final but it wasn't because she set herself up or made it easier for him to do that.
Her ex planned the murder all out just like Unger did but I still think that was a crazy thing to suggest to Flo. Attorney's aren't always right and sometimes you have to question their suggestions....like a weekend with a dope addict.
It seems to me that a judge would have frowned on that suggestion just knowing how volitile the marriage was. Flo could have explained why she refused to go if that question came up or her attorney could have explained why that wasn't a good idea. Regardless, I'll bet her attorney feels like chit.
 
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Bobbisangel:

I am so sorry to read about your daughter. Hope that guy rots in H*LL!
 
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If I recall he was not a "dope" addict, but he had been in rehab for his past addictions.

So much for going away for the weekend with a dope addict.

My presenation and case to the Jugde, but imagine Mark is standing beside me, like a puppet, and I am speaking in Marks voice.

You see if she did not go away for the weekend, he/we would have said:

Your honor, the children have had a difficult time during the pending divorce, I wanted them to feel loved by both parents, I want them to know that both parents are there for them, that both parents love them and that both parents want the best for the children.

This vacation was about "trying" to reconcile the marriage for the sake of the children, doing what is best for the kids, just because Flo and I are "contemplating" divorce, does not mean that the kids would not be put first and foremost ahead of me at least. Their mother obviously does not feel the same way about putting the kids ahead of her.

But my wife refused to "listen" to me, appreciate that I was "trying" to do what was best for the kids emotionally, as we all know that it is not in the kids best interest to be from a broken family, instead of a two parent home.

My wife wants the divorce your honor, I just want what is best for my kids. Since my wife "refuses" to even consider even talking to me "about fixing" the problems in our marriage, she refuses to even talk to me.



Well you can see that I have sought help for my PAST drug problems, which of course was not court ordered, but on a voluntarly basis, I knew I had a problem, which I sought help for, all for the sake of myself, my wife and kids.

Of course those past addictions are a thing of the past and I am living in the present and the kids are my first and foremost priority.

My wife seems to have used the kids against me....by not going away, not putting the best interest of the children first.

The kids kept asking "why was Mom not here for the weekend", why won't Mom talk to you, why won't Mom want to try to keep our family together.

Heck your honor, they even asked me if Mom still loved them, or was their Mom going to "divorce" them also. The kids feel that it is their "fault" and I spent the better part of the entire weekend telling them that "it is their Mothers" choice not to spend time with them.

I do hope this clarifies my position your honor, I love my kids and I ONLY want what is best for them.

Even if my wife does divorce me, I do wonder if she will put the kids ahead of "her paranoid" delusion of me wanting to do her harm.

Her delusions may keep her from fulfiling her "legal" access obligations, or is she "going" to imagine that I want to harm the kids too and then act upon these delusions.....to the detriment of my children whom want to see and whom I have a court order to see.

My wife may not be "balanced" because there is no evidence at all that I have ever harmed her or the kids.

But she seems to "think" that I want to harm her, that is why she did not go away. But I want to know what the factual basis for her "refusal" to go away with the kids. I told her I wanted "to attempt" to solve and fix the problems within our marriage, now does that seem "logical" that I would want to harm her.

Your honor she is "using" this as an excuse to "neglect" her kids emotional well being.

So I really fail to see why she did not put the kids first and go away for a "fun weekend" to spend time with them as a family. Even if our marriage is over, the weekend was "mainly" for the kids. The kids will always come first in my life at least, I don't know about their Mother.

I have grave consideration if she will in the future put her "unfounded" allegations ahead of her children's emotional wellbeing.

Any questions, Bobbiangel......

Now Flo's attorney: Your honor, he is a "bad" man, he wants to take her kids away from her, she is scared of him, she is concerned for the safety of herself and her children. That is why she did not go away. Oh, you mean that she left her kids alone with him all weekend. Well she is more concerned about her safety than the kids. Opps, I mean that he would not harm the kids, but he would harm her "to seek" revenge.

What is the factual basis for this, and my evidence, well let me see. He had a past drug addiction, no, he has never been arrested for any offence, yes, he is "well off", and affluent, no there has never been a "restraining" order, no, no threats on her life either, no, your honor, no threats he has made to other people indicating that he is going to harm her. No, again the Police have never been called to their house for any "fights". No past allegation of abuse.

But she did not go away for the weekend "because she "just knows" that he is a violent man, that he wants to harm her, that he wants to take the kids away.

That is if she did not go away......I don't think Flo thought in a million years thought that Mark would kill her, as she probably thought that he would never leave the kids without a Mom.

This is exactly the technique that lawyers use.......I wonder how I know that....gee let me see.....

Trust me when I say: If Flo did not go away for the weekend, it would have been detrimental in her case of custody of the kids. That is why she went.......
 
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I'm going to go over the problems in the marriage, etc and then I'll be Flo's attorney. Are you a defense attorney or a Prosecutor? Please say that you are a Prosecutor or an ethical defense attorney ;)
 
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Detroit Free Press -- June 20, 2006
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060620/NEWS99/60620007


Detroit News -- June 20, 2006:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060620/UPDATE/606200434

Unger Jury requests readback of pathologist's testimony

Mike Martindale / The Detroit News

BEULAH -- A Benzie Circuit Court jury requested a readback Tuesday of a pathologist's testimony in the trial of a Huntington Woods man charged in the October 25, 2003, death of his wife at a northern Michigan lakeside resort.

Mark Unger, 45, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of his wife, Florence, 37, who was found floating face down in Lower Herring Lake at the Inn of Watervale resort, about 10 miles south of Frankfort. Prosecutors say the woman was knocked off a 12-foot high boathouse deck during an argument with Unger over their pending divorce. They contend that he then put her unconscious body in the lake. Defense attorneys described the death as a tragic accident that occurred while Unger slept with their two sons in a nearby cottage.

The jury asked to hear portions of the testimony from Dr. Stephen Cohle, a Kent County pathologist who did the initial autopsy on Florence Unger. The transcript readback involved Cohle's interpretation of lividity -- pooling of blood in the body and resulting bruising -- found on the woman's body.

It was unclear what significance the readback has on the continuing jury deliberation but is the first transcript rehearing that has been requested in the third day of deliberations.
 
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Go ahead go over the problems in the marriage, unless this man has "harmed" his kids and wife, there again is no "factual" evidence that he ever intended to do them harm.

So again, Flo would have "no legal basis" for declining to go for the weekend.

The point being, he would have been allowed access to the kids, unless he has harmed the kids, in that case, it would have been supervised access.

Just because there are "problems" in a marriage, OMG what a "relevation" that a marriage has problems, does not mean that there is any indication of violence of threats or violent behavior.

But the judge will look at "the best" interest of the kids and was it in the best interest of the kids, not to spend time with Mom and Dad, as a family on vacation. Or did the wife "decide" just not to go away with the kids and put her "unfounded" suspicions or her "ex husband to be" combative behaviour in place of the kids. Did she "decline" to go away, because she put herself ahead of the kids....

Because the courts will always look at parents behaviour in the best interest of the kids.......

Unfortunately Marks is "typical" of husband "wanting revenge" because of course their ego cannot accept that their wife wants to Divorce them.

At least he did not harm the kids also, like so many other "loving" Dads do.
 
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Once you're an "addict," you're always an addict. If the dude was in rehab a "few times," he was an addict. He may have been in recovery at the time, but he's still an addict.
 
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WXYZ-Detroit [channel 7] 5 and 6 p.m. newscasts

Reporter Glenn Zimmerman interviewed Mark Unger's sister, Connie Wohlberg, who stands behind her brother. She would only do the interview if she could repeat that her brother passed two polygraphs [arranged by the defense]. Unger would not submit to a police polygraph. Florence's family will not speak until after the verdict.
 
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Detroit News -- June 20, 2006

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060620/UPDATE/606200443

"Unger jury ends third day of deliberations without a verdict"
story by Mike Martindale

excerpt:
>>On Tuesday, the jury asked for readbacks on the testimony of two witnesses. They first asked to hear portions of the testimony from Dr. Stephen Cohle, a Kent County pathologist who did the initial autopsy on Florence Unger. The transcript readback involved Cohle's interpretation of lividity -- pooling of blood in the body and resulting bruising -- found on the woman's body.
Tuesday afternoon, the jurors asked to be reread portions of testimony provided by Sgt. Bethany Baesch of the Benzie County Sheriff's Department. Baesch was off-duty and at a soccer game when she was called to the death scene at Watervale to interview the Ungers' two sons, Max, then 10, and Tyler, then 7 years old.

Court reporter Kathy J. McBride reread portions of Baesch's testimony in which she recalled how officers also checked the "Mary Ellen" cottage that the Ungers were renting for signs of "blood or disarray or any evidence to tell us what happened the night before."

McBride reread how Baesch had testified that she interviewed the boys separately and they were upset after being told by their father that their mother had died. Unger had taken the boys to the Inn restaurant where he broke the news, Baesch said.

McBride reread how Max told Baesch that his parents had told the boys about the divorce and that the night before -- Oct. 24 -- both adults had gone down to the boathouse deck. The boy told the officer that his mother carried a "blue blanket, believed to be the blue comforter found alongside the boathouse deck the next morning, near Florence Unger's body.

"'Dad said mom said she would be up in a little while,'" Baesch said Max recalled, along with being brushed by his father's whiskers when he was tucked into bed listening to a Detroit Red Wings hockey game on a radio headset.

The jury indicated to Judge James M. Batzer there may be other requests for readback of testimony in the eight-week trial, which began April 26.<<
 
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Cyberlaw,

We could go back and forth for weeks about this :eek:

When a man and a women no longer get along and their home is nothing but a battleground the kindest thing that they can do for their children is to divorce. The kids still have a mom and a dad and can always see both of them. Maybe one person wants the divorce and the other one doesn't but no one can force a person to stay with someone that they can't stand to even look at.

I don't know how long Mark had been using drugs or how ofter he went into treatment but I lived with a alcoholic for a number of years and believe me...when I made up my mind to get a divorce no one could have talked me into trying it again or anything else. And it was in the best interest of my 4 children to go our seperate ways. My middle daughter had wet the bed for ages off and on. She was 7 yrs when we seperated and she totally stopped wetting the bed. It is harmful for children to be raised in the middle of a lot of hostility and fighting.

Evidentally the judge wasn't aware of Mark's drug usage as Florance had just told him along with her attorney that it was going to come out in court. She probably could hardly stand to look at him. Sounds like he wasn't a very nice addict.

For a woman to have to go away for the weekend with someone that she can't stand and wants nothing more than to get away from him.....and for the children to be subjected to more of what they had grown up with is senseless. That is placing the children right back into the same invirnoment that they needed to be away from. That is not in your childs best interet.

I don't see how a judge could think that she was putting herself ahead of her children. Most people divorce because they don't love each other anymore and many because they can't stand each other anymore. Why take a chance on going away for the weekend just to fight and argue all weekend? Besides that it can give the person that might not want the divorce false hope only to be let down again and that can really cause more problems.

Does everyone who is getting a divorce have to spend the weekend together in that town? Even if their gut is telling them it is not a good idea they still have to follow someone elses rules or they will lose their children? Or go just to satisfy some judge? I have never heard of such a thing...ever.

Well, they don't have to worry about her losing her kids now...she is dead and he won't have to worry about custody...I hope...that he is heading to the big house. That just leaves the two children whose best interest the trip was in anyway. Yep, it was really in the best interest of those 2 boys.
 
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What's the holdup with this jury? I believe that this guy out and out murdered his wife. I sure hope that he doesn't get off.
 
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According to WDIV --Channel 4 -- verdict will be read in about 30 minutes.
 
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Verdict will be announced around 3 p.m.
 
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GUILTY of murder in the FIRST DEGREE
 

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