MI, Grand Blanc - Mass Shooting at Mormon Church, fire, 28 Sept 2025

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Wish I could learn more about this guy, no one lives to 72 without having awesome stories. I'll keep my eye out for obits.

Craig Douglas Hayden
Pilot, GM toolmaker, scoutmaster, husband 51 years, 4 kids, 10 grandkids. A life well lived.
 
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Why do people do things like that and lie about the truth? Drives me nuts. Be honest!

jmopinion
 
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Mormon church raise $200,000 for shooter's family. Not sure if this has been posted yet.

Today It's close to $350,000
imo

 
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Reminds me of the reaction to the Amish schoolhouse in West Nickel Mines. Yesterday was the 19th anniversary.
Amish community members visited and comforted Roberts' widow, parents and parents-in-law. One Amish man held Roberts' sobbing father in his arms, reportedly for as long as an hour, to comfort him. The Amish also established a charitable fund for the family of the shooter.
 
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Today It's close to $350,000
imo


It is amazing but they have to stop somewhere. Otherwise people will be interpreting it in a wrong way.

Also, it is not his parents' fault that the shooter inherited their genes but for sure they had access to VA for his drug issues. So they were in denial.
 
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It is amazing but they have to stop somewhere. Otherwise people will be interpreting it in a wrong way.

Also, it is not his parents' fault that the shooter inherited their genes but for sure they had access to VA for his drug issues. So they were in denial.
I wasn't aware the VA could legally force treatment on an unwilling vet based on his parents' request. Or does it provide treatment/therapy for the parents? I apologize; I'm not understanding your meaning. Could you clarify this what you mean by his parents having access to the VA?

Also, they reported to the police that he stole $15 from them, resulting in his being charged with burglary and receiving a conviction that included mandated treatment. It seems unlikely they were in denial.
 
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I wasn't aware the VA could legally force treatment on an unwilling vet based on his parents' request. Or does it provide treatment/therapy for the parents? I apologize; I'm not understanding your meaning. Could you clarify this what you mean by his parents having access to the VA?

Also, they reported to the police that he stole $15 from them, resulting in his being charged with burglary and receiving a conviction that included mandated treatment. It seems unlikely they were in denial.
Do we know that he was unwilling?
 
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Do we know that he was unwilling?
No, we sure don't. I was responding tp the comment I quoted above that "THEY (his parents) had access to the VA for HIS drug issues".

I wasn't aware that parents of vets have access to VA benefits if their adult offspring have drug addictions. I've never seen that in any of the situations I've personally seen or any cases I have followed, nor in my social work jobs nor in my justice court work. That would be a very usefu benefit to know about and publicize more broadly.
 

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