GUILTY MI - Jane Bashara, 56, dies in contract killing, Grosse Pointe Park, 25 Jan 2012 #2

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  • #721
I'm confused as someone pointed out that BB hasn't even been charged yet, only a POI so far. Why does Griem sound as if he's already preparing for trial?
Griem states that asking for handwriting samples is like some form of witchcraft. :what: He states it's not a science therefore it's like witchcraft!
Maybe Griem needs to take a competency exam - lol!
 
  • #722
Griem wants to fight every little thingy by the looks of it :)

As to JG's competency exam ... it was already given ... and the results reportedly came back already (rumors are that he passed the exam).

They "put a rush" on this exam ... - so it came somewhat faster than the general time frame for those....

But Joe Gentz's next court appearance was re-scheduled to May 4, 2012 ... - so they probably decided to wait till then to reveal test's results...
Possibly neatly preparing for it's presentation .. getting all the paperwork and facts together etc...

Or postponing the "dog and pony" show somewhat... (maybe in their eyes "what's the rush anyhow, let BB sweat it out a bit) :D
 
  • #723
Judge denies Bashara attorney's request to be present for handwriting samples

Published On: Apr 18 2012 05:39:06 PM EDT

---- VIDEO added ---- (from court ... Bashara's comments ... Griem's comments etc)

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The lawyer for Bob Bashara has lost his request to be present when Bashara gives a handwriting sample to Wayne County prosecutors.

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...les/-/1719418/11004876/-/9prjhxz/-/index.html

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--- TEXT & the same VIDEO is HERE: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...les/-/1719314/10989970/-/7bi14az/-/index.html

"For the reasons stated on the record, the defendant's motion is denied," Wayne County Circut Court Judge Timothy Kenny said.

Bob Bashara said he didn't consider the judge's ruling a set back.

"No, I wouldn't say so at all," he said.

Griem said he had no plans to appeal.

"They had to go through a dog and pony show and it looks like today the dog lost and the pony won. Have a good day," Griem said.

A date for the handwriting samples to be submitted has not yet been set.

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  • #724
On podcast Griem wants us to know that the Prosecutor has,

- dictated - subjected - barred him from locked room with police - no reason given - forced me not to be present - first case ever in US history that atty is locked out of locked room - POI can be kept forever - leaks galore, more than all G's other cases combined - poisoning jury pool by prosecutor and LE - charade - refused to show me/refused to turn any findings over - lack of forensic evidence - we would 'stipulate' but they didn't cooperate (who's da boss?) - letter, greeting card, check found?/refuse to tell - BB is the only one cooperating; it's a one way street - looking out for sharks and there's too many cooks in the kitchen.

Any eyewitness to murder? No, only JG.
 
  • #725
Probably LE is trying to figure out if RG is involved and, if so, to what extent.
 
  • #726
Bob Bashara to Give Writing Sample Without Attorney Griem Present

Grosse Pointe Park investigators will be able to gather a handwriting sample from Bob Bashara without his attorney present after a ruling was issued Wednesday.

By Sara Eaton Martin, 4:18 pm

One week after attorney David Griem argued to be present for the gathering of a handwriting sample from his client Bob Bashara, a Third Circuit Court Judge denied the request.

Judge Timothy Kenny denied Griem's request Wednesday during a brief hearing, during which he explained Griem is not legally entitled to be present since Bashara is not under arrest, Kenny's court clerk told Patch Wednesday...

...Patch is awaiting a return call from Griem seeking comment about today's decision.

Meanwhile, Grosse Pointe Park Public Safety Director David Hiller said last week the case is still being actively investigated three months after her death.

The next major date is a hearing in early May for Gentz during which his competency will be determined.

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More at the Source: Gross Pointe Patch
 
  • #727
Bashara court hearing
1 hr 5 mins ago - WXYZ-Detroit 2:11

A judge has ordered that bob Bashara does not have the right to have his lawyer present when he gives a handwriting sample.

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----- Good VIDEO ----- (more details than in another video, mentioned earlier)

-- They learned that Bob Bashara will give the handwriting sample "Friday afternoon" (April the 20th, 2012, i guess)

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-- "Do you still have the full support of your family and friends?" (reporter)

-- "Absolutely, I do." (Bob)


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Source: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region...ave-lawyer-present-when-giving-writing-sample

or can watch it here in "FULL Screen": http://news.yahoo.com/video/detroitwxyz-20910802/bashara-court-hearing-29000086.html :)

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  • #728
I wonder how Big Bob felt about being part of a "dog and pony show" where the "dog" (Griem's client) lost :what:, and the "pony" (the Prosecutor) won?
 
  • #729
Possibly he would prefer if it was a "slave and master" show instead? :D
 
  • #730
Bob Bashara must give writing samples without attorney present, judge says
April 19, 2012

Only murder suspect Bob Bashara and investigators will be there when Bashara gives court-ordered handwriting samples and signatures as part of the investigation into his wife's slaying, a Wayne County Circuit judge ruled Wednesday.

Defense attorney David Griem argued that he or a representative should be on hand when Bashara gives dozens of writing samples and signatures for comparison with an envelope, a check, a greeting card, a card attached to flowers and a letter.

But Presiding Judge Timothy Kenny said Bashara has not been charged with a crime and his lawyer has "no legal right to peer over the shoulder of the investigators." The writing examples, like a blood sample or voice identification, "is not a critical stage" that requires a lawyer's presence, Kenny said.

Courts protect rights but leave the detective work to police, he said. It's not clear what role the writing samples have in the murder investigation.

"This court does not run or supervise investigations," Kenny told Griem and assistant Wayne County prosecutors Lisa Lindsey and Rob Moran...

More at the Source: http://www.freep.com/article/201204...g-samples-without-attorney-present-judge-says


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Judge rules against Bashara request to have lawyer present for writing sample
By Mitch Hotts
[email protected]

Posted: 04/19/12 12:01 am
Updated: 04/19/12 12:32 am

...Presiding Judge Timothy Kenny denied a motion by defense attorney David Griem to be there when Bashara gives a sample of his handwriting because he hasn’t yet been charged with a crime and therefore doesn’t have the legal right to have counsel present

Kenny said Bashara does not “have the right to peer over the shoulder of the investigators during the investigation.” He went on to say that would also apply to a blood draw, voice identification or signature samples.

“The issue is not whether to keep Griem out, but whether he can be present while the police carry on their investigation,” the judge continued. “The answer is no.”

Griem said he would not appeal the ruling because “this is just one battle. Most likely, there is a war to be fought here.” He said Bashara had already agreed to provide the handwriting sample, but prosecutors would not first let the defense see the documents in question that his writing would be compared to. Prosecutors reportedly want to verify Bashara’s signature on a check, a letter and a greeting card they confiscated. The check is believed to have been a payment made from Bashara to handyman Joe Gentz, while the card allegedly was addressed to Rachel Gillette, a female companion of Bashara.

...“They had to go to a dog-and-pony show and today it looks like the dog lost and the pony won,” Griem said.

While waiting for an elevator in the hallway, Bashara said he didn’t consider the judge’s decision a setback.

“I wouldn’t say that at all,” he said without elaborating.

In response to reporters’ questions, Bashara said his children are “doing fine.” Asked if he felt he still has the support of his family and friends, Bashara answered, “Absolutely I do.”

The entire story is at the Source: http://macombdaily.com/article/2012...r-present-for-writing-sample&pager=full_story
 
  • #731
-- AUDIO --- (Podcast, 11:11)

from lauriej (thanks!)

lauriej said:
Is the writing on the wall for Bashara?

April 16, 2012
Attorney David Griem tells Charlie why the Bashara case is the strangest and most bizarre case he has ever worked on.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/?podcas...+Langton&station_id=57&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.DET

--charlie langton audio interview w/ david griem--
Charlie Langton said (in above mentioned Podcast): "The ruling is on Wednesday ... We will follow up on Thursday" (which is tomorrow)
Sure thing! ... A new podcast today ... and it's pretty good!

-- AUDIO --- (Podcast, 10:26)

Bashara Attorney Griem on "Dogs and Ponies"
April 19, 2012

Attorney David Griem tells Charlie he is incredulous at the court's decision to not allow him to be present at his client's handwriting sample session in front of investigators. Griem also explains what he means by "dog and pony."

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/?podcas...+Langton&station_id=57&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.DET

... Charlie: What is "dog and pony"?

... Griem: defense (begins with "d") = dog .... prosecution, plaintiff (begin with "p") = pony ... -- I am an old dog

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... Charlie: When will this handwriting take place?

... Griem: Tomorrow (Friday, Apr. 20, 2012)

... Charlie: Oh! .. OK ... Where at?

... Griem: At Michigan State Police (post on Taylor?? .. or something like that) .... Behind closed doors .. with who knows how many investigators present .. there are four investigation agencies involved .. etc
 
  • #732
... Griem: At Michigan State Police (post on Taylor?? .. or something like that) .... Behind closed doors .. with who knows how many investigators present .. there are four investigation agencies involved .. etc
At Michigan State Police post in Taylor (at 1:00 p.m.)

"They can bring in a cast of every investigator who has ever worked on this case. … Mr. Bashara will be on his own, behind closed doors"

Source: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120419/METRO/204190399

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  • #733
  • #734
Bob Bashara submits handwriting samples in wife's murder investigation
Grosse Pointe Park father says he is cooperating, wants to find out who killed Jane.

Published On: Apr 20 2012 12:47:25 PM EDT

DETROIT -
Bob Bashara was 30 minutes early Friday when he arrived at the Michigan State Police post in Taylor to submit handwriting samples.

The Local 4 Defenders were there as Bashara went into the building with a retired FBI agent at his side. Bashara told the Local 4 Defenders that he always has, and will continue to, cooperate with authorities.

Bashara said he just wants to find out who killed his wife.

Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...ion/-/1719314/11244158/-/l1tdtaz/-/index.html
 
  • #735
Sorry, Bette .. i didn't refresh the screen :D
 
  • #736
April 20, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Robert Bashara at Michigan State Police post to give handwriting sample

By Christine Ferretti and George Hunter
The Detroit News

The Grosse Pointe Park man, arrived in an SUV at the Taylor post on Telegraph around 12:30 p.m. Friday with his own private investigator. He was scheduled to provide the sample at 1 p.m. Bashara told a group of reporters outside that he just wants to know who is responsible for his wife's January killing.

"Throughout this whole mess … we have fully cooperated and we continue to do so," Bashara said before entering the building. "Bob Bashara wants to find out who killed his wife." ...

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120420/METRO01/204200410#ixzz1sbPSaRsV
 
  • #737
DH heard an interview with the Griem Reaper on WJR-760 Radio (Detroit) this morning, but there is no audio or text on the website. If someone comes across anything from the interview, please post it. Thanks.
 
  • #738
DH heard ?

Who or what is DH? :D
 
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