GUILTY MI - Jane Bashara, 56, dies in contract killing, Grosse Pointe Park, 25 Jan 2012 #2

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When i watched the arraignment and bob's Lawyer was speaking to how bob cooperated with LE,travelled out of State and returned. Lawyer also mentioned bob had travelled to Canada. Wonder who he knows in Canada he felt he needed to see???? I can only imagine how much there is to bob we still dont know.
 
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I wondered that too but I'm assuming he would of had to fly back out there again and don't recall the media reporting he left town again? So, I wondered if it was someone else in this area that he was stalking? Maybe a threesome partner to him and RG? Maybe a tenant that seen something? IDK.
Some "threesome partner" from "down there in the Dungeon intimate encounters" maybe? :)

P.S.
I recall in many earlier case's headlines there were mentions that it was known (i guess to many people) that Bob's & Jane's marriage was NOT a perfect one (that even though they "loved each other" ... - there were definitely marriage problems... - they saw Marriage Councillor... etc etc.

Would not mind knowing what kind of marital problems they had, even though it will, more likely, never surface...

Their families more likely know about most of those problems (especially Jane's family)

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When i watched the arraignment and bob's Lawyer was speaking to how bob cooperated with LE,travelled out of State and returned. Lawyer also mentioned bob had travelled to Canada. Wonder who he knows in Canada he felt he needed to see???? I can only imagine how much there is to bob we still dont know.
Bob's cousin ... that runs above mentioned "BB's family Facebook page" lives in Canada ;)

Pretty sure her name is Stephanie.
 
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More Twists In Bashara Case: Joe Gentz's Attorney Goes After Bashara's Lawyer

July 1st, 2012, 8:40 AM

At this point, don't be surprised by any craziness and twists and turns in the Bob Bashara case.

The latest: The attorney for Joe Gentz, the man charged with killing Bashara's wife Jane earlier this year, has filed a motion asking that Bashara's attorney be held in contempt of court...

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More at the Source: http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/arti..._gentz_s_attorney_goes_after_bashara_s_lawyer
 
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Ohhhhh, THAT would be an interesting turnout!! Wonder what his piehole will have to say about that if the Judge reprimands him for that?
 
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Today's new "one" from Bob Bashara's family FB page:

"May the road rise up to meet you,
may the wind never be at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
and the rain fall softly on your fields.
And until we meet again,
may God hold you in the hollow of his hands."


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"Jane Bashara’s birth family, the Engelbrecht family, would like to make it clear that they are in no way affiliated with the J4J (Bob Bashara's family) Facebook page which states it is an official, family-run forum."
 
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:D ... hehehe ... :D

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Master Bob and Slave Joe

July 02, 2012

---- AUDIO (Charlie Langton Podcast, part 1 - 10:20 & part 2 - 7:42) ----

Lady Giana returns to the Charlie Langton Show. The dominatrix alleges that Bob Bashara and his handyman/hitman Joe Gentz had a master-slave relationship. Giana claims this relationship would make it easier for Bashara to get Gentz to kill his wife.

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Listen at the Source:

part 1: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/?podcas...ton+Show&station_id=57&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.DET

part 2: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/?podcas...ton+Show&station_id=57&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.DET

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P.S. Come on other sites / crime forums ... "take it" FAST... :D
 
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Dominantrix Says Gentz Was Bashara’s ‘Sex Slave’

July 2, 2012 10:34 AM

DETROIT (Talk Radio 1270) Dominatrix Lady Giana, who was the first person to reveal Bob Bashara’s alleged sex dungeon and ties to the world of sadomasochism, called the Charlie Langton Talk Radio 1270 show Monday with new revelations.

She thinks handyman Joe Gentz, who allegedly killed Jane Bashara at her husband’s request in exchange for some cash and a car, was involved in Bashara’s world as his own personal “sex slave.” Bashara was arrested and charged last week with solicitation of murder for allegedly offering more than one person money in exchange for killing Gentz before his next court hearing.

Prosecutors say Bashara delivered $2,000 to an informant who offered to kill Gentz for him.

“Joe was his slave, Joe would do what he was told,” Lady Giana said on the show. “If Bob was doing any type of demonstration he would probably use Joe as his slave. He would be tying up Joe, flogging him, whipping him, bisexual activity could be going on.

“… He did do demonstrations of the whipping of Joe, bondage of Joe … He was his slave so he would serve Bob in any way, shape or form that he wanted … He could’ve been turned into his sex slave.”

She said this information was gleaned with discussion from 20 or more people she knows in the local S&M scene. “I got phone calls, people were telling me all of what was going on at the parties … and that Joe Gentz was definitely his slave and would do what Bob told him to do.”

Would Gentz kill for Bashara? Langton asked. “Yes,” Lady Giana said, adding, “Joe, intelligent-wise, he had to be told what to do … His mentality, he had to be told what to do.”

So why didn’t she tell his story as soon as Gentz was arrested?

“The information that I’ve gathered … I didn’t want to say it at the time until he was arrested … I was getting calls, threatening calls,” Lady Giana said. “They did participate in the slave parties together and Bob was the master, Joe being his slave. Joe would do whatever master Bob would tell him to do.”

She said many told her they saw Gentz, who rented from Bashara and reportedly served as his handyman, at the sex dungeon. And she believes Gentz and Bashara may have had some kind of written contract, which is how slaves and masters generally assure their relationship.

“Literally slave contracts are made, with ownership,” she said. “I’m sure maybe when the police dig around a little more they’ll probably find a contract of some sort with Joe.”

Lady Giana knows Bashara and his sex dungeon friends, she said, because he tried to hire her to host parties at his S&M club. She said she knew him only as “Master Bob.”

“It was a complete S&M show underneath his bar,” she said about the Hard Luck Lounge, now closed, that Bashara owned in Grosse Pointe Park.

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Source (Click)
 
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THAT is shocking!!! Big guy like that being a slave!!! But his mind was easily manipulated.

Seems like Lady Gianna was afraid to speak as I'm guessing bb was threatening her. WOW! This whole story sure takes some twists like no other. Good info Darkman!
 
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I don't know about that Lady Giana though...... "she was told this, she was told that"...

And then when that caller calls in and tells / asks Lady Giana: "Um, last time you said Bob's wife attended some of those S&M parties as well, is that so?"

She goes: "Yes she did attend some of them ... and she wasn't a sub, but rather was a dom"

The caller goes then: "Did Charlie attend those parties also?" ... lol
 
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I'm trying to access the Dateline episode so I can catch up with the details with no success. Any suggestions?
 
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Was Joe Gentz Bob Bashara's Sex Slave?

July 2nd, 2012, 10:54 AM

Things of this crazy nature have to be digested with a dose of healthy skepticism.

Nonetheless, Dominatrix Lady Giana who initially disclosed Bob Bashara's sex dungeon and his kinky ways, suggested on the Charlie Langton Talk Radio 1270 show today that handyman Joseph Gentz may have been Bob Bashara's sex slave.

She said Gentz, who is accused of killing Bashara's wife Jane, would do anything Bashara asked.

Lady Giana said she based her statements on discussions with 20 or more people she knows in the local S&M scene.

“I got phone calls, people were telling me all of what was going on at the parties … and that Joe Gentz was definitely his slave and would do what Bob told him to do," she said on the show.

Bashara is behind bars. He's charged with putting a hit out on Gentz. Bashara has not been charged in his wife's murder, though he remains a suspect.

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Source: http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/1038/was_joe_gentz_bob_bashara_s_sex_slave
 
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I'm trying to access the Dateline episode so I can catch up with the details with no success. Any suggestions?
It's in this post ... HERE:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7976274&highlight=dateline#post7976274

I just went there and clicked on the YouTube thingy right there in the post .. and it's working no problem

So not sure why it's not working for you (if you tried in that post) .. maybe your computer is low on memory .. then, i suggest, try rebooting it .. and then try to watch it with a "fresh" computer, maybe it will work then...

If not, then something maybe is off with your computer etc..

You can also try to copy the YouTube link (it's posted at that post mentioned above as well) and then enter that link in your browser, to basically go directly to YouTube and try watching it there, rather than directly from the forum here (I believe on YouTube you can watch it in Full Screen .. not sure if you can do it at the mentioned (above) post .. i didn't try to go "full screen" at the post there.

Good luck!

P.S. I just looked at the post (at the above link) .. and pretty sure you can go Full Screen there as well .. it's the button on your very right.... in the bottom right corner.. (of that YouTube box there)
 
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I don't know about that Lady Giana though...... "she was told this, she was told that"...

And then when that caller calls in and tells / asks Lady Giana: "Um, last time you said Bob's wife attended some of those S&M parties as well, is that so?"

She goes: "Yes she did attend some of them ... and she wasn't a sub, but rather was a dom"

I'm going to guess that he passed off RG as his "wife" in that environment? Isn't that what was mentioned before in one of the links with info?
 
  • #1,295
Got it Darkman --- youtube says the video is unlisted, so I did need your link! :)
 
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I'm going to guess that he passed off RG as his "wife" in that environment? Isn't that what was mentioned before in one of the links with info?
Not 100% sure now ... if it was mentioned like that before or not ...

But all i know is that they are either full of "ka-ka" (Lady Giana and her sources) and she is simply saying whatever to advertise herself so to speak ... or it's true (because pretty sure by now, and even before ... they would know how Jane looks and if it was her at some of those parties or not... Jane and RG look totally different after all... BESIDES .. --- RG at those parties was introduced as Bob's SUB)

As to Joe being Bob's slave / or "possible even sex slave" (how it was suggested) .. - if it's true .. pretty sure LE would know about this then...
As those callers who called Lady Giana could have, as easily, called LE as well and tell all of this to LE (and long ago, at that).

No wonder maybe, user lawman (lawman9 i think) on Hinky Meter, used to say (and not on one occasion) ... that whatever we know is ONLY a "tip of iceberg" .. etc :rolleyes:
 
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Women claim Bob Bashara ran sex dungeon

Published: Friday, February 03, 2012

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Listen to an interview FOX2 News did with a local dominatrix who said Bashara called her. (CLICK to listen to that interview at the link)

... from the article at the Source below:

Bashara apparently had a sex dungeon in the basement of a building he owned on Mack Avenue in Grosse Pointe Park, behind the former Hard Luck Lounge that he frequented. In addition, a former female tenant of his told The Macomb Daily that he wanted her to become his slave but she refused.

“During the course of a conversation, he told me he was a dominatrix or a dominator or something,” said the 45-year-old woman who did not want to be named.

“He must have seen the look on my face and realized his error because he started to backpedal. It was just an odd thing to say. He said I seemed to have a submissive personality, that’s why he said it.”

Bashara — who police have labeled a person of interest in his wife’s death — made the comments as he repaired plumbing at the residence she rented from him in the area of Cadieux and Mack in 2010.

She said Bashara claimed to have female clients who paid for him to dominate them and also once told her she deserved to be spanked. But he also mentioned his wife, the woman claims.

“I thought he said he was either married or had a partner and she knew about (his S&M) relationships,” she said. “I thought ‘what a weirdo.’ Do whatever you want just keep it away from me.”

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Read more at the Source: http://www.theoaklandpress.com/arti...4f2b097ecbab6843592075.txt?viewmode=fullstory
 
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Lady Giana is not too accurate with what she says, by the looks of it (unless she meant RG below, but the source had a typo) .. cuz it goes like this there:

“She (Jane) was submissive, and was engaged to get the parties going, Bob would dominate her, she would participate in parties at the bar,” Lady Geanna said. “She did participate in some of the exercises.”

In today's interview, however, she said that Jane wasn't a sub., but rather a dom. :rolleyes:
Unless she was correcting herself from the 1st time, who knows :rolleyes:
I think it's best to listen to her 1st Charlie Langton interview (below)

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That's from her original interview with Charlie on Feb. 3, 2012

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-- Charlie Langton --

Here is the Source for this: Charlie Langton: Dominatrix Says Bashara Hosted S&M Parties

at the bottom of the link there you can even listen to the entire interview, in 2 parts (I am going to give it "another go" now, to refresh my memory and to see what exactly she said there, lol)

Or you can Listen or even Download it right HERE:

part 1: http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dZ/dR/dX/dM/ZRXM_3.MP3 (8:36)

part 2: http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dZ/dR/dX/dL/ZRXL_3.MP3 (12:34)

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P.S.

Listening to her now ..... Pfffff... In her 1st interview she said about Gentz .. that she heard he occasionally participated as well .. but NOT as much participated as was down there mostly to "keep things in order", as those parties, she said, can go a bit out of hand on occasion.....

Seems like she can't get her story straight.... LOL

at the end of 1st Audio .. she is saying Jane did participate .. and played a submissive role (but today she claimed that Jane was not a sub, but rather a dom)
and at the end of 2nd Audio .. she talks about Bob's wife being there ... but she surely doesn't sound too credible... (to me anyhow) .... - "attention seeker" (softly spoken) :)
she is saying (in 2nd Audio) that Jane not always participated... Bob had other slaves there etc etc...... Go figure :rolleyes:
Maybe today's Bob/Joe = Master/Slave is also a BS ... who da heck knows :rolleyes:
Her stories are NOT too straight... UNLESS between 1st and 2nd interviews she got some additional info from her "buddies" :rolleyes:

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Thanks for all the links and info :seeya: I just cant buy that Jane was ever there. Especially with bob planning a new life with Rachel and another. He wouldn't risk Jane finding anything out. Especially since it appears Jane was never to be anything but murdered so bob could start his new life.
 
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