GUILTY MI - Joshua Burns for child abuse, Brighton, 2015

[Snoods]

NOT the way it works with CPS. As an EX Cps worker, I speak for my own self and not from authority any longer. MOM, supports her convicted/not sentenced husband. Therein lies the problem by LAW. State (weak in MI) but strong Federal Law.
JMO

ETA: This is a great case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. LOOK at all the cases here on WS where folks are crying out ... "why didn't CPS DO something" or "CPS overstepped". Take your pick?

Good night/over and out of this case. :seeya: Love you all.

BBM Yes, I thought the exact same thing about this case, Ransom.

I have to admit, the first thing that crossed my mind when I read that she was refusing to give up her address was that her husband was with her. I can understand why CPS is trying to make sure the baby isn't with the man convicted of abusing her. And since she fully supports her husband's innocence, it's not far fetched to think he is with her and their baby until he goes to prison.

That's interesting about the harassment charges against the husband, Ransom. Come backkkk don't leave this case! :loveyou: It's so helpful to hear first hand from a former CPS worker. That must have been a difficult and emotional taxing job.

 

[MyBelle]

If the mother was cleared of any wrongdoing and was given the baby back, I see no reason for CPS to continue their probe into the mother and child. I tend to agree with the attorney on the way CPS operates and their intrusive approach. Surely there are other family members who are aware of the situation and have access to the child that would call authorities if something seemed out of place or if the father tried to visit. CPS is overstepping their authority, imo.

The mother can live where-ever she wants but if the child has ongoing medical problems as a result of the father's abuse then CPS should at least know where she is and ensure she is receiving necessary follow-up.

JMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

So CPS is dammed if they do and dammed if they Don't. My only concern would be the baby!.

If I had nothing to do with abuse of my baby I would welcome any and all surprise checks
from CPS. If I had any knowledge of my husband dropping my baby from his knee. I personally
wouldn't want him around anyway. I don't need an idiot in my life. JMO

You must come from a state where people trust CPS. Once CPS steps into your life, it can be all consuming for years to come with their sometimes unyielding power and people have little control. I haven't personally dealt with their wrath, but have seen it happen. The attorney can provide a judge with updates and CPS doesn't need any involvement with the case unless there is an additional adverse report.

My comments aren't about the father as he was judged already. However, the mother was determined not to be a threat to her child regardless of how she felt about her husband and was given the child to take care of so I don't think there is a problem. If so, CPS made a poor decision to clear her.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

NOT the way it works with CPS. As an EX Cps worker, I speak for my own self and not from authority any longer. MOM, supports her convicted/not sentenced husband. Therein lies the problem by LAW. State (weak in MI) but strong Federal Law.
JMO

ETA: This is a great case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. LOOK at all the cases here on WS where folks are crying out ... "why didn't CPS DO something" or "CPS overstepped". Take your pick?

Good night/over and out of this case. :seeya: Love you all.

I can tell you are not from my state. Our lawmakers called for a complete overhaul of our CPS system. Maybe someday I won't have such a jaded view of CPS, but it is difficult when the system failed so miserably here for so long and on so many levels.

 

[Snoods]

You must come from a state where people trust CPS. Once CPS steps into your life, it can be all consuming for years to come with their sometimes unyielding power and people have little control. I haven't personally dealt with their wrath, but have seen it happen. The attorney can provide a judge with updates and CPS doesn't need any involvement with the case unless there is an additional adverse report.

My comments aren't about the father as he was judged already. However, the mother was determined not to be a threat to her child regardless of how she felt about her husband and was given the child to take care of so I don't think there is a problem. If so, CPS made a poor decision to clear her.

BBM Hi SS! :seeya: I can definitely see both sides the issue, I've heard horror stories from both sides. I'm sorry that your friends have had bad experiences.

I agree with you that CPS may have made the wrong decision to clear her, especially since she didn't show up for the CPS hearing.

 

[Mystymiss]

You must come from a state where people trust CPS. Once CPS steps into your life, it can be all consuming for years to come with their sometimes unyielding power and people have little control. I haven't personally dealt with their wrath, but have seen it happen. The attorney can provide a judge with updates and CPS doesn't need any involvement with the case unless there is an additional adverse report.

My comments aren't about the father as he was judged already. However, the mother was determined not to be a threat to her child regardless of how she felt about her husband and was given the child to take care of so I don't think there is a problem. If so, CPS made a poor decision to clear her.

So? I would welcome CPS involvement! The more the merrier! to watch over my baby. That doesn't scare me cause I wouldn't abuse my baby. I'm like a lion! I would protect my little one from anyone who would be a threat, including said abusive father!! I'm not a desperate woman that I need to have an abusive man, woman, sister, brother etc.. around.
I won't play games!

 

[mmmagique]

I don't think you realize how very intrusive cps can be, Mystymiss. It's one thing to say it, but it's another to live it. Just be glad they are not in your life. There but for the grace of God go any one of us. (and it can get downright ugly)

 

[Mystymiss]

I don't think you realize how very intrusive cps can be, Mystymiss. It's one thing to say it, but it's another to live it. Just be glad they are not in your life. There but for the grace of God go any one of us. (and it can get downright ugly)

Gee you're right! I never ever had CPS over to check on my little ones... Ah maybe cause I never neglected or abused them. No complaints from neighbors, hospitals or police, no brusing, no broken bones, no falling of my knee. Let me just say if anything like this happens to a 2mo old infant the CPS should always be involved. NO excuses please!

 

[MyBelle]

So? I would welcome CPS involvement! The more the merrier! to watch over my baby. That doesn't scare me cause I wouldn't abuse my baby. I'm like a lion! I would protect my little one from anyone who would be a threat, including said abusive father!! I'm not a desperate woman that I need to have an abusive man, woman, sister, brother etc.. around.
I won't play games!

BBM. You might say that but there is no guarantee CPS is going to believe you. They just might believe the father or whoever is making the allegation. CPS doesn't play games and neither do the courts. When allegations are flying, there are no guarantees other than kids caught in the middle and it takes an incredible amount of time to sort it out.

JMO

 

[Steft50]

Gee you're right! I never ever had CPS over to check on my little ones... Ah maybe cause I never neglected or abused them. No complaints from neighbors, hospitals or police, no brusing, no broken bones, no falling of my knee. Let me just say if anything like this happens to a 2mo old infant the CPS should always be involved. NO excuses please!

I had a neighbor call CPS on me in retaliation for me calling the local animal abuse people on him. He would go out after dark and beat his dobermans with a broomstick. I even managed to get it on video. The items he listed were beyond stupid and easily disproved as was his stupidly telling me what he would do so when I made my complaint I told them of the threat. CPS talked to me, watched my interactions with my kids, talked to my kids, my sister (who was living with us), and verified what I had told them about the complainant's threats. I was lucky. I was also told by them that when one is examined with a microscope it's very very rare that anyone comes out clean.

 

[MyBelle]

I had a neighbor call CPS on me in retaliation for me calling the local animal abuse people on him. He would go out after dark and beat his dobermans with a broomstick. I even managed to get it on video. The items he listed were beyond stupid and easily disproved as was his stupidly telling me what he would do so when I made my complaint I told them of the threat. CPS talked to me, watched my interactions with my kids, talked to my kids, my sister (who was living with us), and verified what I had told them about the complainant's threats. I was lucky. I was also told by them that when one is examined with a microscope it's very very rare that anyone comes out clean.

Ruby Ridge started as a land dispute between neighbors followed by letters to authorities with baseless accusations. I believe any report to CPS by a neighbor that is found to be baseless should also be prosecuted just as a false report to police is prosecuted.

Also kinda off topic because this case seems to involve a victim of child abuse at the hands of her father.

JMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

So? I would welcome CPS involvement! The more the merrier! to watch over my baby. That doesn't scare me cause I wouldn't abuse my baby. I'm like a lion! I would protect my little one from anyone who would be a threat, including said abusive father!! I'm not a desperate woman that I need to have an abusive man, woman, sister, brother etc.. around.
I won't play games!

I bet there are many women who believed, just like you, that it couldn't happen to them because they were good parents and didn't play games. Then while their children were being taken away and thrown into foster care because someone called in false allegations of inappropriate actions, they realized too late they were being held at the mercy of an aggressive agency by virtue of an often abused power of the state. The agency then turned life upside down for the entire family as they combed through every detail of their personal lives and racked up every small infraction ever made as a parent or a person. If this didn't get them what they wanted, they would eventually (after the families got a lawyer and threatened court action) give the kids back after they had been in foster care with the real possibility they could have been abused while there. CPS would come back every month to insure the families knew they held the power to do it again at any given time.

This is basically what can and often happens when CPS becomes involved...false allegations or not. It is not a walk in the park for even the most innocent families. It can be a terrifying and long ordeal with grave consequences. There are not enough workers and the kids who suffer horribly are the ones in true trouble overlooked while CPS goes on witch hunts for ex-husbands/ex-wives or in-laws. Sad, but true...in this state our children's protection agency has lost or misplaced several children and some have ended up dead because they screwed up so badly. Hence the call for an overhaul.

Like I said...I have not experienced it personally, but I did some extensive research on the subject. I found some very frightening cases. After talking to some families, it made a huge impression on me of how vulnerable people really are when it comes to this particular state agency.

 

[Mystymiss]

I had a neighbor call CPS on me in retaliation for me calling the local animal abuse people on him. He would go out after dark and beat his dobermans with a broomstick. I even managed to get it on video. The items he listed were beyond stupid and easily disproved as was his stupidly telling me what he would do so when I made my complaint I told them of the threat. CPS talked to me, watched my interactions with my kids, talked to my kids, my sister (who was living with us), and verified what I had told them about the complainant's threats. I was lucky. I was also told by them that when one is examined with a microscope it's very very rare that anyone comes out clean.

Sounds like you came out clean to me. Did CPS harass you after that? Also It was really smart you video the abuse of the Dobermans. I would clearly have done that too!

 

[Mystymiss]

I bet there are many women who believed, just like you, that it couldn't happen to them because they were good parents and didn't play games. Then while their children were being taken away and thrown into foster care because someone called in false allegations of inappropriate actions, they realized too late they were being held at the mercy of an aggressive agency by virtue of an often abused power of the state. The agency then turned life upside down for the entire family as they combed through every detail of their personal lives and racked up every small infraction ever made as a parent or a person. If this didn't get them what they wanted, they would eventually (after the families got a lawyer and threatened court action) give the kids back after they had been in foster care with the real possibility they could have been abused while there. CPS would come back every month to insure the families knew they held the power to do it again at any given time.

This is basically what can and often happens when CPS becomes involved...false allegations or not. It is not a walk in the park for even the most innocent families. It can be a terrifying and long ordeal with grave consequences. There are not enough workers and the kids who suffer horribly are the ones in true trouble overlooked while CPS goes on witch hunts for ex-husbands/ex-wives or in-laws. Sad, but true...in this state our children's protection agency has lost or misplaced several children and some have ended up dead because they screwed up so badly. Hence the call for an overhaul.

Like I said...I have not experienced it personally, but I did some extensive research on the subject. I found some very frightening cases. After talking to some families, it made a huge impression on me of how vulnerable people really are when it comes to this particular state agency.

I'm 60yrs old raised my kids with out a conflict w/ CPS. beside a 2mo old is a 2mo old ( hardly moving yet!). If a 12 jury member panel looked at the evidence and judged the Father abusive that's good enough for me.

 

[Ransom]

You must come from a state where people trust CPS. Once CPS steps into your life, it can be all consuming for years to come with their sometimes unyielding power and people have little control. I haven't personally dealt with their wrath, but have seen it happen. The attorney can provide a judge with updates and CPS doesn't need any involvement with the case unless there is an additional adverse report.

My comments aren't about the father as he was judged already. However, the mother was determined not to be a threat to her child regardless of how she felt about her husband and was given the child to take care of so I don't think there is a problem. If so, CPS made a poor decision to clear her.

Wait ... when did CPS clear Brenda (the mom) ???? I may have missed the link that said that. If so, my apologies in advance. TIA.

 

[MamaJoJo]

Wait ... when did CPS clear Brenda (the mom) ???? I may have missed the link that said that. If so, my apologies in advance. TIA.

In the first post on this thread, one of the articles states that the charges were dropped. It also states that the mother was deemed not responsible for injuring her daughter by the Family Court. Does this constitute being "cleared"? Sounds like it to me.

 

[Ransom]

In the first post on this thread, one of the articles states that the charges were dropped. It also states that the mother was not responsible for injuring her daughter by the Family Court. Does this constitute being "cleared"? Sounds like it to me.

Read that. The COURT cleared the mom, not CPS that the doctor of record called in the first place. COURT is not CPS. They are not the same.

CPS has an ongoing case against Brenda: CPS has filed a new court petition against Brenda, demanding that she provide them with Naomi’s new address.

Same OP link, again for those that don't want to go back to P 1: http://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news...aby-after-cps-continues-to-demand-home-visits

 

[MamaJoJo]

Read that. The COURT cleared the mom, not CPS that the doctor of record called in the first place. COURT is not CPS. They are not the same.

CPS has an ongoing case against Brenda: CPS has filed a new court petition against Brenda, demanding that she provide them with Naomi’s new address.

Same OP link, again for those that don't want to go back to P 1: http://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news...aby-after-cps-continues-to-demand-home-visits

Ah...got it! I now see what you are saying. I assumed that if the court cleared her then CPS would have followed suit. Not so clear cut, eh?

 

[Ransom]

Ah...got it! I now see what you are saying. I assumed that if the court cleared her then CPS would have followed suit. Not so clear cut, eh?

Yep. Sad case. We all so hope Naomi is okay and remains that way.

 

[MamaJoJo]

But, CPS's case against Brenda isn't necessarily ongoing, though. It reads that they have filed a new petition with the courts.

I'm merely nit-picking to try and understand; I'm not trying to start a fight.