MI MI - Oakland County Child Killer, "The Babysitter Murders", 1976-77

[Richard]

Here is a re-cap of the known and suspected victims of this Oakland County serial killer of children.

Note that besides the four children mentioned in recent discussions are four others who are also thought to have been victims of this killer. How do these other four murder victims fit with the recently identified suspect? Are there other possible victims?

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Authorities are certain of a connection in the deaths of four victims, the first being Mark Stebbins, 12, who was abducted in Ferndale while walking to his home on February 13, 1976. His body was found in a parking lot six days afterwards, his corpse meticulously cleaned. Stebbins had been sexually assaulted and smothered to death.

On December 12, twelve-year-old Jill Robinson was abducted in Royal Oak and her body found in Troy. Though no sexual assault was evident and the girl had been killed by a shotgun blast, she had also been scrubbed clean before her disposal.

The next certain victim was Kristine Mihelich, 10, who vanished in Berkley on January 2, 1977, and her corpse located nineteen days later in Franklin Village. Like the others, her body had been cleaned after her killer suffocated her death.

The last of the series seems to be Timothy King, 11, who went missing on March 11 in Birmingham and found dead in a ditch near Livonia with his body scoured clean, his nails manicured, and his clothes freshly washed and ironed. King was also sexually assaulted before his sad death.

By this point the press had picked up on the odd signature of the killings, dubbing the unknown perpetrator "The Babysitter" due to his apparent post-mortem care of the victims.

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Other killings that occurred in the area at the same time have been tentatively linked to the series.

Cynthia Cadieux, 16, was abducted and bludgeoned to death on January 15, 1976. Missing from Roseville she was discovered nude in Bloomfield Township the next day.

Just five days after Cadieux's disappearance Sheila Shrock was raped and shot dead at her home in Birmingham.

Jane Allen, 13, was murdered by carbon monoxide poisoning after accepting a ride in Royal Oak and was found in Miamisburg, Ohio, on August 11, 1976.

The 1972 slaying of teenager Donna Serra in Ray Township has also been mentioned as possibly being connected to the string of murders.

 

[docwho3]

I just did a couple simple web searches to see if anything different turned up
since it has probably been long enough that something new might have surfaced on the web.
I doubt I found anything you all have not already seen but here are a few links.
As always, please check all stories for accuracy:

http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/the-babysitter-killer/Content?oid=1498422

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=5154&pst=881245

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/5433527/detail.html

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/arti...oc4b80a35d9c8d8139257227.txt?viewmode=default

http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2009/11/25/opinion/srv0000006915553.txt?viewmode=fullstory

". ..On October 19, 2009, during a visit to the MSP, two family members of victim
Kristine Mihelich were shown file information about Busch's suicide, including photographs.
One photograph showed Busch dead in a bed with a shotgun next to his body. On the wall
and visible in this photograph was a drawing of a boy closely resembling the first victim,
Mark Stebbins. Another photograph showed bloody ligatures displayed on the floor in
the same room. These ligatures may have been used to bind some of the victims and
which are now described by the MSP as "missing. . ."
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-oakland-county-child-killer-investigation-78692417.html

I admit the silence about further DNA test results has me intrigued.

 

[shellbee]

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Other killings that occurred in the area at the same time have been tentatively linked to the series.

Cynthia Cadieux, 16, was abducted and bludgeoned to death on January 15, 1976. Missing from Roseville she was discovered nude in Bloomfield Township the next day.

Just five days after Cadieux's disappearance Sheila Shrock was raped and shot dead at her home in Birmingham.

Hi Richard. I just wanted to provide an update....

Bobby J. Anglin was convicted for murdering Cynthia Cadieux. Oliver Rhodes Andrews confessed to and is serving time for the murder of Sheila Shrock.

 

[Richard]

Hi Richard. I just wanted to provide an update....

Bobby J. Anglin was convicted for murdering Cynthia Cadieux. Oliver Rhodes Andrews confessed to and is serving time for the murder of Sheila Shrock.

Thank you for the update. How much time passed before they caught these two guys? One wonders how many other victims they terrorized or killed.

 

[Terri Lynn]

Hi,
I was the one who posted the post in the Detroit Topix looking for other victims.
I can't possibly post all of what I want to say here ??
Busch was not the killer. He was monster, one of many. But, he didn't kill the four kids.
We think we know who did now ? Even the police are finally looking at this man.
Busch was a part of the Fox Island crew. He liked hurting little boys, not girls But, some of his clients had money. Real money, Fox Island money......not Busch, Greene, Lawson, Lamborgine money. Real money. No one looked at the client list ?? Well, they looked, then it disappeared. Busch and Greene didn't like little girls ?? Yes, they were hurt. Not as bad as the two boys, but hurt. The two boys were tortured. Sorry to say that, but it needs to be known ? Busch didn't kill himself, none of then did - long list now.
Who drew the picture of Mark that was found on the wall at Busch's ??
Someone who was warning others. Busch was getting ready to talk. He didn't. Niether did Hojnaki....Bo.....Flynn.....so many.
I'm here on this thread because you all seem to really care. The more you know, the more the police will have to know they have no choice but to make this right. I still have faith in one detective. He know what's going on now. They all do, so do the families.
It's been 35 years this month that Mark was killed. It's time.

 

[Terri Lynn]

I just did a couple simple web searches to see if anything different turned up
since it has probably been long enough that something new might have surfaced on the web.
I doubt I found anything you all have not already seen but here are a few links.
As always, please check all stories for accuracy:

http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/the-babysitter-killer/Content?oid=1498422

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=5154&pst=881245

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/5433527/detail.html

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/arti...oc4b80a35d9c8d8139257227.txt?viewmode=default

http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2009/11/25/opinion/srv0000006915553.txt?viewmode=fullstory

". ..On October 19, 2009, during a visit to the MSP, two family members of victim
Kristine Mihelich were shown file information about Busch's suicide, including photographs.
One photograph showed Busch dead in a bed with a shotgun next to his body. On the wall
and visible in this photograph was a drawing of a boy closely resembling the first victim,
Mark Stebbins. Another photograph showed bloody ligatures displayed on the floor in
the same room. These ligatures may have been used to bind some of the victims and
which are now described by the MSP as "missing. . ."
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-oakland-county-child-killer-investigation-78692417.html

I admit the silence about further DNA test results has me intrigued.

The Clevescene author made up the story based on what he felt happened to Timmy. But, Lamborgine didn't kill that little boy. I do think Lamborgine has ties to North Fox Island and Oakland County. Given that, he might know - or thinks he knows - who killed Tim. He's not talking, no polygraph. He'd like to live, coward. I think Busch knew too much. Hoj too. How many were found dead ? Lots of suicides and accidents. Lawson has no idea who killed the kids. He named Bobbie Moore, then Lamborgine. Moore's rotting in Hell
In fact, when he died it took a while before someone found him ? His dogs got hungry. Almost Biblical ??
DNA on Busch. Probably done some basic tests. They didn't match. No one's has, yet. There's so much out there on Busch. The police still hope the families will go away. They didn't know how quickly the Busch info would reach the right people. Think about this too ?? People say Busch was driving around with Tim tied up in his car ?? Come on now ?? A HIGH profile kidnapping ?? Everybody looking ? No, he never had Tim. Maybe he and Lamborgine found look alikes ? There were sick enough to be jelous. But, only one man saw Tim. And Tim kind of knew him, kind of, so he went. It didn't happen in the parking lot with a blue Gremlin either.
This is all coming out soon......and it's about time. So, pray they can give the families peace. I hope more people come here to post. I think knowledge is power. The more people who know, the more the police have no choice but to finish this up.
Sorry, I'm a bad speller......

 

[southern_scout]

Intrigued.

 

[Omori]

I've been following this case for some years and I frequently travel Greenfield Road and I notice how easily it gives access to the victims. If you start at Big Beaver Road (aka 16 Mile Road) which is near where Jill Robinson's body was recovered, you can reach Woodward which passes near or through Bloomfield Twp. You take Woodward, which slants towards the southeast, all the way to 14 Mile. At that point, you're near where I read somewhere that Jill Robinson vanished. You turn right onto 14 Mile and go a very short distance--no more than a quarter mile and there's Greenfield on the left. You can't go right because there's just houses there. But if you go over those houses westward as the crow flies one mile up to West Maple Road (aka 15 Mile) you end up right at Maple and Woodward--precisely the spot where Tim King vanished.

Now head east on Greenfield. When you hit 12 Mile, you turn left on it and you can see the 7-11 where Kristine Mihelich vanished. It's visible from Greenfield or nearly so--very close to it. Across the street from the 7-11 is Hartfield Lanes bowling alley where Ms. Dagner's "John" claimed he actually picked up Kristine.

Now continue east on Greenfield past 12 Mile and when you get to 10 Mile, you are at the dumpsite of Mark Stebbins's body. Continue east on Greenfield to 9 Mile. If you make a left on 9 Mile, you pass first through Oak Park and then Ferndale where Stebbins disappeared. In fact, 9 Mile passes right through the heart of Ferndale. I always thought that area resembles Japan the way the street is so narrow and the shops and businesses are so close to the street. The next street you hit is Woodward again.

It seems to me that the killer spent his time cruising that route--Woodward to 14 Mile to Greenfield to 9 Mile to Woodward and then up to 15 Mile. I believe you have to turn at that point and can go left or right. There is a pharmacy there, I don't know if it's the one Tim King was at. I pulled around behind it and there is a big ol' parking lot there and so I drove around in it.

It seems to me, odd that the killer could have met these victims by happenstance. When I was in that parking lot, it hit me that there's no way a predator would just sit there waiting for some kid. He must have followed Tim there and waited for him to exit. How did he know Tim would come out the back? Not sure but Tim had his skateboard so maybe the killer figured the boy would likely want to have an expanse to skate on.

That means, the killer apparently followed each victim and got them when they were isolated. So he would have decided to go after one at a time until he got them all. That's still problematic in the taking of Jill Robinson since she was on her bike. Since it seems unlikely that he pulled her off her bike and got her in his car on a street as busy as Woodward--a major southeast Michigan thoroughfare--he somehow coaxed her to ditch the bike and come along with him willingly but how did he do that? What kid would just leave his or her bike where someone is sure to steal it unless she chained it to something immovable. I know they found the bike behind a hobby store in Royal Oak along Main Street--where I hang out a lot doing open mics and busking on streetcorners when it's warm. I don't know in what state the bike was in when found.

But Greenfield Road and Woodward seemed to the be the killer's main stalking ground. He used them to get himself east and west and could do so in a big hurry because the traffic really moves along both routes. I have driven both of them hundreds of times.

 

[Omori]

I have also noticed a 3 and 1 pattern. Maybe others have noticed it also. This is where three of the victims fit a pattern but one of them does not.

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  Three were abducted or recovered on or the day after holidays: Robinson was abducted just after the winter solstice and her body recovered the day after Christmas. Mihelich was abducted the day after New Year and her body recovered on Martin Luther King’s birthday. Timmy King was abducted the day after the Ides of March (the day that Caesar and Christ were said to have died) and his body was recovered just after the passing of the vernal equinox. There is no reason to believe this is a coincidence since the murders betray a number of other patterns. The holidays, in fact, may have dictated why each victim was held for the length of time they were. Mark Stebbins does not fit this pattern, though. He was abducted the day before President’s Day in 1976 which occurred on February 16th. He was found on the 19th which doesn’t occur on or just after any particular holiday I know of.

• Three victims were found in pristine condition--undamaged in any way. Jill Robinson, however, was shot in the face at close range with a shotgun.

• Three of the victims were kept in captivity for less than a week. Krstine Mihelich, however, was kept for 19 days.

• The most perplexing 3 and 1 to me is the dumping of Tim King's body. The other three were dumped in Oakland County. King was dumped in Wayne County across 8 Mile. The thing is, why there? I heard there was a lot of construction there at the time and signs all over the place redirecting traffic. Why choose that spot? There were better spots perfectly available in Oakland County. Why take the chance of being caught in this area where a car could come out of nowhere? Doesn't seem to be chance. Seems the dumpsites were chosen in advance. When you look at it on a map, it's way out of place from where the other bodies were dumped.

Gill Road is a nice area. I've driven it all the way down to 7 Mile and there's some nice houses out there. If you go west on 7 Mile past Haggerty Road, you'll come across the Northville Psychiatric Hospital. It's just a hulking ruins now and has been since about 2002 or 3 when it was closed. Apparently, the city doesn't know what to do with the land. No takers. Driving past it at night is really spooky. No lights on in the place and the buildings just stand black and silent against the night sky. Really daunting looking. Kids still go there to explore and party. I never have. A lot of the buildings are unsafe. The place just gives me the creeps and it doesn't look that much less daunting in broad daylight. It has tunnels too and they are said to be haunted. Some wonder if the killer could have been a patient there. It was still in operation when the murder spree occurred. It's a fair question. It's the only thing that seems to explain why King's body was laid so far away from Greenfield, Woodward and Telegraph area.

But I really have no idea. The Killer might have just been playing up on the haunted tunnels stories by placing a child's body in the area. But I believe the killer had some connection to the area since he seemed to have gone out of his way to dump a body there.

 

[katydid23]

Terri Lynn,

Your posts are fascinating and informative and passionate. How did you come across so much inside information. ???? I hope you are correct.

 

[Omori]

Obviously, the killer was someone the kids trusted. Had to be. For that reason we can eliminate Chris Busch. One look at him and you know there's no way any kid (or for that matter any adult) is getting in a car with that guy. Hastings has simply been investigated and cleared too many times to warrant any further interest unless some new evidence pops up. At best, he had a very peripheral involvement of the "friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend-told-me" type thing.

Right now, I don't trust anybody's suspect. Everybody has their favorite and can reel off three dozen compelling reasons why it's him. You solve the case with your info and I'll believe you but until then I don't trust anybody's suspect. Right now, all we really have to go on is the evidence at hand which isn't a lot.

We can safely eliminate the blue Gremlin thing. That has never produced anything useful and has sent the cops on wild goose chases. Same with the hair found on Tim King's body. That could have come from anybody. The killer could have deliberately planted it. It's not really that good a piece of evidence as many seem to think. At best, it's 50-50 that it ever proves anything.

Putting Robinson's bike in the trunk is reasonable to assume. She wouldn't just leave it there although I have a problem with the killer bringing it back and placing it off Main Street where he could have been observed but that's likely what he did because I can't believe the girl just left the bike to go somewhere with this individual. He probably did it in the wee hours of the morning after the bars closed.

About the girls being molested, we don't have any hard evidence to suggest it. In fact, the impression I get is that the girls were taken for bonding purposes otherwise why was Mihelich kept for so long? The killer bonded with her. I can't think of any other reason. Why was Robinson kept only three days--less than any of the others--and then shot in the face? The evidence showed she was shot where she lay. That indicates she was already incapacitated, dead or unconscious when it happened. IOW, she would have died whether shot or not. Apparently, Robinson wasn't in the bonding mood so the killer got rid of her and then shot her in the face as a show of disrespect. A way of saying, "I didn't like this one."

The two boys had marks showing that they had been bound. They had been sodomized with a dildo or other object. It's reasonable to assume they were bound for this reason.

I think in all cases, the children were told they were going to be set free. Had to be. Otherwise how do you get a child to eat a last meal of fried chicken if he knew he was going to die?

The method of asphyxiation is open to question. I think Dagner thought it was a muscle relaxant. That's actually not a bad assumption. It would answer a lot of questions. No violence has to be committed, no fighting and struggling, no pleading and screaming. You just inject them at a moment that they don't expect it and they just go limp and die within 10 or 15 minutes. That could explain how King's body could still be warm. However, it would depend on what the autopsy found and whether any muscle relaxants were ever tested for.

When you add it up: Girls not molested, one kept 19 days, boys sodomized with an object, clothes washed and pressed, bodies bathed, pedicures and manicures, last meals, no death struggles all point to something not too many give much credence to: the killer could have been a female. If you're a child and a woman calls you to her car, you're probably not going to be wary at all. Even calling the killer "Babysitter" implies a female presence.

But whether male or female, the next issue we must think about is exactly how the killer got the child to their place of captivity without things getting messy. If some man or woman you know says, "Let me drive you home" and then takes off in another direction, you're probably going to fight. If I were Tim King, I would have bashed with you with my skateboard.

That leads me to think there was more than one person in the car. So we probably have at least two people working in collusion. Possibly males were carrying out the orders of a female. In cases like that, it's usually a mother-son thing.

 

[Omori]

He used them to get himself east and west and could do so in a big hurry because the traffic really moves along both routes. I have driven both of them hundreds of times.

Whoops. I should have said north and south--not east and west. Sorry.

 

[AKWILKS]

All of the four definite OCCK abductions or drop offs took place within ONE DAY of Holidays.

Mark Stebbins, abducted 2/15/76, one day after Valentines Day.

Jill Robinson, abducted 12/22/76, Winter Solstice, three days before Christmas, body dropped off on 12/26/76, one day after Christmas.

Kristine Mihelich, abducted 1/2/77, one day after New Years Day.

Timothy King, abducted 3/16/77, one day before St. Patrick's Day, body dropped off on 3/22/77, Spring Exquinox and Pagan/Norse Spring Festival

I noted the appearance of Nature, Wood and Tree themes in the OCCK case. It is true that there are many streets and cities that have such names. So two or maybe even three appearances might be a coincidence. But the number of times they appear seems to be beyond chance; it seemed to be a choice of the killer.

First victim Mark Stebbins lived in and was abducted from FERNDALE. A FERN is a type of plant, and DALE, comes from Norse word DALR, is an open VALLEY. Body discovered on GREENFIELD Road, the border between OAK Park and SouthFIELD, laid out on SNOW.

Second victim Jill Robinson lived in and was abducted from Royal OAK. Body found near Big BEAVER Road, laid out on SNOW.

Third victim Kristine Mihelich abducted on or near OAKshire Street in Berkley. Body found on Bruce Lane, between FOREST and HICKORY Streets, laid out on SNOW, near CREEK and TREES.

Fourth victim Timothy King abducted on or near MAPLE Street in Birmingham. Body found on GILL Road (not far from RIVERSIDE Street).

Message from man called "Allen", claiming to be accomplice of killer, and who I think was the killer, demanded message in front page of paper saying TREES to BLOOM and TREES BLOOM.

Mark's body was placed on GREENFIELD Road, and both Kristine and Timothy were abducted near GREENFIELD Road.

The victims lived in and were abducted from, in order, Ferndale, Royal Oak, Berkley and Birmingham. This is the same order as these cities appear when you travel northwest on WOODward Road.

Just looking at the confirmed cases, they go in a nortwest direction up WOODward. Are there other patterns?

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I've never heard of this case until today when I stumbled upon it. I have only read the last 2 pages of the thread and I must compliment you all on your insightful contributions!

My first instinct....? I agree with Omori. My gut instinct says this perp is a female. MOO

Okay, i am off to begin reading at thread 1 and catch up. Thanks all for your fascinating insight! I am not a local so there is not much i can contribut but will follow along with you all and learn as I go

wm

 

[Terri Lynn]

Terri Lynn,

Your posts are fascinating and informative and passionate. How did you come across so much inside information. ???? I hope you are correct.

Friend of the King family, I know who found this info, and I know the accused's friend.
I hope "they" are right too. All I did was find someone who new things, contacted the Kings, and offered up what I knew.
I didn't know I had been talking to a friend of the current suspect.
I was hurt by Lawson as a child. You look for answers after that, you just keep looking.

 

[Terri Lynn]

I agree. We have to wait for DNA testing to come back to know if this man is the killer or not. We're pretty sure it's the killer's DNA because it was found in a mouth, placed on purpose. He might have thought about blood typing, but didn't count on DNA in the future. So, we hope it's his hair, but it must be.
I wish it would have been Hastings. Case solved. Same for the rest of them. But, this isn't my suspect. I thought it was Lamborgine myself.....but, it's not. I think they have the right man which is sad because now we know what most likely happened to the kids

Jill's bike ? We'll never know. This man is dead. Even if they prove it to be him, he's not around to talk to.
I don't like talking about the sexual abuse....out of common respect ? But, the boys were tied and they were hurt......very bad. More than I care to think about. They didn't go gently. I've seen the picture of Mark left at Busch's It fits with what we know he did to him. The girls were orally raped, they were hurt in other ways. Things.....well, BTK didn't rape every victim, but they were hurt and tortured in other ways that brought him sexual gratification There was no 'Bonding" Don't think of him as a baby sitter, he wasn't. He didn't do a single kind thing to these kids. No one knows what they ate or wore, what they did. They were found clean, it was part of his ritual. Nothing in being nice. Same for the food. I think Jill was shot because that's what she feared the most. He talked to these kids when he drew them. They watched tv. Saw their families on tv. All part of his pleasure. I think they thought they were going home too. But, if you were in their place, you'd eat if he told you to. I think the police let little information out there over the years and I'm glad they didn't. No one was ready to think someone would hurt children in this way ?? Then four of them ? And the cops can't find him ? Can you imagine ? I would have moved ?? Plus, the families didn't want things made public. They still don't.
I'm waiting for permission to name the man. But, I can't yet. I think the King's will go public soon. But, I still think the details of what happened to the kids should be left out. It's just the right thing to do and the families deserve that.
I'm looking at the comments above........Ok. They did die slowly, he used no drugs. That was part of the pain he enjoyed causing. Nothing went easy for the kids. They were small, abused, weak, hurt, raped....easy to control He tortured them. He was a monster, not a baby sitter.
A second person is possible, but so far doesn't seem to be the case.
He knew these kids. He was never a suspect. He was from the area. He was right in their faces ?? No one knew ?? I think deep down his friend is starting to except it. His wife is dead, the kids the police will deal with. But, no one knew.....
The holidays ? Just happened to be that way. Maybe easier on his schedule or the kids ? I think we try to fit every little thing in to what we know ? Some of it is just coincidence ? (spelling?) We're looking for a killer, so we look at all of it. But, we need to ?? We do.
The police have the entire story now. They've had it about two weeks now. So how long this will take, I have no idea ? Only DNA will convict this dead man. But, if he went to trial today. I think he'd be found guilty. I almost wish he were alive to confess. But, he would have kept killing. I'll tell you this - the people who killed him were sure he was the right man. They made that well known in the way they killed him ! If they were right, they're heroes !! But, they were into the same thing, kids...just not like this man. He wanted something special. He wanted his fantasy. He went out and got it. If it was him, I'm glad he was killed in the way he was. If he didn't do it, I feel bad. Really bad, for what he went through. These were professionals who killed him. I don't think they had the wrong man.
Many men were killed during that time including Busch. None were killed like he was.
The other men were just kind of higher up low lives on the kiddie /kiddie trade chain.
Busch, Hojnacki, Flynn, Johnston, Bobbie Moore, Pierce....others. Why Lawson and Lamborgine are alive I don't know ? I'd like to see them both get the same thing. They're evil and cruel. Redmond is alive in California. The police will not go get him. When this all comes out, we need to demand that things like that be done !! I don't care how long it's been !! His victims are alive ?? Lock him up 'til he dies !
Ok....woman ? No one found. Just men. So, if he was helped, it was a man.
If the kids were held where we think ?? Lamborgine and Redmond knew the place well. So did Busch and Greene. Bennett too. He's free in Alabama. Oh ya -- the papers had reported that Busch, Greene, and Bennett were arrested together. Now it says Busch, Greene, and Gunnels ?? Can some one explain that to us ?? Gunnels was a victim. He stayed with them for a bit when he was older, but hurt no one. He just wanted out and he got out. He's been in jail off and on for small drug charges. He just got out. I was talking to him in jail. He doesn't get it either and doesn't trust anyone right now. I don't blame him ?? Something like that could put his life in danger ?? Bennett should be in for life ! See, when this comes out, we need to demand the police quit hiding their screw ups and do the right thing ! The Cass Corridor and Fox Island kids count too. They helped solve much of this.

 

[Terri Lynn]

Too tired tonight.......Alan was real. He thought, and with good reason, that the Cass crew was killing the kids
He helped convict Lawson and Lamborgine.......then he took his own life.
Something his friends are still having a hard time with.
I never met him. I hear he was a sweet kid, good man. He was being held by Bobbie Moore.
The word games ?? Well, only the killer knows what they meant to him ? He did everything as he planned. It all went his way, until Timmy. That was a quick drop off.
You look at all of it......you'll see Busch and the other crews didn't do this. This man was a genious. He wanted each child's experience to be perfected to his plans. Sadly, he got that. Happily, he was stopped. And it seems his killers enjoyed themselves.

 

[Terri Lynn]

Oh, I haven't done it, but with your map up there I will.....I guess either the pick up or drop off patterns made a diamond shape ? I haven't tried it. Curious though....
There were only four victims. They were taken because he wanted "them". No name play there. But, the drop off patterns were planned.

 

[Omori]

I'm doubting your information, Terri Lynn, because how could this much time pass--34 years since the last victim--and suddenly here's THE ultimate suspect? I've heard this before many times and it has never panned out.

If you are certain who this guy is, tell us. If you're not certain then why are you talking as though you are, as though you know exactly what he did to those kids and how? How could you know that and not be certain this man is the killer? So if you are certain--tell us who it is.

It's time for you posters who keep talking like you know something no one else does to start proving it. Allen was real? Tell us who he is then. What's his name, how was he involved?

I keep reading posts all over the net by people who talk like they have the inside track on this case and know who all the players are and how it was all done but won't quite put their money where their mouth is. And 34 years later the case remains unsolved.

Yes, I'm calling you on this one. You're talking like you know too much and if you do--out with it already. If you're so certain you know who the killer is then the DNA will confirm it.

This case has gone unsolved long enough.

 

[katydid23]

I think the King family has asked her not to name the suspect publicly. Maybe she can PM
his name to you so she can respect their wishes.
It seems she was one of their victims when she was a child so maybe we can be gentle with her. Just sayin...