GUILTY MI - Paul DeWolf, 25, fatally shot in Ann Arbor frat house, 23 July 2013

[SapphireSteel]

I am not concerned about this. First of all, I really don't think that the
Ypsilanti case and the Ann Arbor case are related. The MO is quite different,
and the sex of the victims is not the same. Also, serial killers usually kill
for the thrill. Strangulation, torture etc. It is an expression of rage.
Such a killer would not get much satisfaction from shooting someone
with a single bullet.

It looks more like a mobster hit (not saying that it is one). But a mobster
would not bother trying to get into someones basement to kill someone,
if he did not have any good reason.

The Washington snipers did, so did Son of Sam.

There is another unsolved shooting involving a student living in housing just off campus at EMU.

Renee Welka was killed with a single shot back in 94.

Renee was sitting in her car when a gunman ran up and fired.

Crime unsolved.

I dunno, sounds kind of similar to me. :dunno:

http://www.annarbor.com/news/15-years-later-emu-students-killing-remains-unsolved/

 

[colette]

Renee Welka's murder reminds me of Rebecca Huismann, a topless dancer shot in the face with a .45-caliber gun and left for dead in her Lansing driveway in 1999 by Drew Planten.
He lived an hour away, was going to college at the time and may have easily gone to the area. I just sent an email to LE involved in Renee's case to possibly look at Planten.



Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2005/11/13/46036/suspects-mother-fled-with-sons.html#storylink=cpy

 

[black_squirrel]

The Washington snipers did, so did Son of Sam.

There is another unsolved shooting involving a student living in housing just off campus at EMU.

You are right, there are some serial killers like that. In fact,
here in Michigan we had our own mad shooter.

http://annarbor.com/news/freeway-shooting-suspect-raulie-casteel-faces-january-trial/

Fortunately, he did not kill anyone, but he could have. (He most likely was in custody during the DeWolf murder.) Still, unless there are other recent murders with a similar MO, I do not assume that this is the work of a serial killer.

 

[SapphireSteel]

It's because I'm Australian I think.
.
Our students just don't get murdered, on campus or off of it.

At least, they don't get murdered "execution style" with no leads, suspects, rhyme or reason.

It just seems beyond strange to me that 3 students are murdered in unusual, non passionate, inexplicable ways in the same county, and folks are saying "there's no similarities".

:dunno:

 

[SapphireSteel]

You are right, there are some serial killers like that. In fact,
here in Michigan we had our own mad shooter.

http://annarbor.com/news/freeway-shooting-suspect-raulie-casteel-faces-january-trial/

Fortunately, he did not kill anyone, but he could have. (He most likely was in custody during the DeWolf murder.) Still, unless there are other recent murders with a similar MO, I do not assume that this is the work of a serial killer.

Gah....it's your gun laws.

The more guns in a society, the more people get hurt, it's as simple as that.

 

[danzn16]

Well we do have 15x the amount of citizens than Australia does and it's still a rare event. Also I wouldn't blame gun laws when there a variety of factors involved in crime, most being cultural. But really... Lets get back on topic.


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[IHAVENOCLUE]

Gah....it's your gun laws.

The more guns in a society, the more people get hurt, it's as simple as that.

I disagree...

And find that judgemental remark offensive to our country...

JMO

 

[animlzrule]

Well we do have 15x the amount of citizens than Australia does and it's still a rare event. Also I wouldn't blame gun laws when there a variety of factors involved in crime, most being cultural. But really... Lets get back on topic.


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Well, the guns certainly aren't helping anything.

 

[black_squirrel]

I disagree...

And find that judgemental remark offensive to our country...

JMO

It may be offensive to you, but it cannot be offensive to the country.
Countries don't have feeling. Besides, many Americans would not
be offended by it. Anyway, I would be tempted to go into a gun
control discussion but that would be off topic. Are there any
forums here where such a discussion would be appropriate?

 

[LambChop]

It may be offensive to you, but it cannot be offensive to the country.
Countries don't have feeling. Besides, many Americans would not
be offended by it. Anyway, I would be tempted to go into a gun
control discussion but that would be off topic. Are there any
forums here where such a discussion would be appropriate?

black_squirrel: I don't think it is possible to have a thread where people could agree to have a civil conversation about gun control issues. It's like religion. lol

 

[SapphireSteel]

It is relevant only because I find the chances of two students being shot with no evidence, motive, or suspects, to be statistically so unlikely, that I can't accept it.

However.

In Australia, it's never ever happened before, so the odds are...? In America, statistically, kids do die from gunshot at colleges. It's not unheard of.

If you read carefully I'm not righting/wronging anything, I'm just observing a statistical and cultural difference which has affected my sleuthing.

It's not my personal fault if those statistics exist, KWIM? So please don't be offended by my observing them.

 

[kittycat3]

There is room here for different opinions. However you are talking about different things. Yes the crimes can be said to be similar because there are so many unknowns. But there is a killer and a motive for each that is unknown to us all now. I think those things, when they are revealed (or if, I guess ) are very different in nature.

 

[LambChop]

Plus students are no different than any other citizens. They have jobs, friends, relationships (good and bad). Just because we have heard nothing of a motive, evidence or suspect does not mean there are none. Often we are not aware of how much LE knows and only eventually find out when they make an arrest. jmo

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

black_squirrel: I don't think it is possible to have a thread where people could agree to have a civil conversation about gun control issues. It's like religion. lol

Amen.

:facepalm:

 

[danzn16]

Well, the guns certainly aren't helping anything.

In towns where there are loose gun laws there can be very little crime and in towns where there are the strictest gun laws of all there is the highest crime rate. It's cultural, it's multifactorial. It's not guns IMO. It's not knives, rocks, hammers etc, all tools used in murder. It's the person. Whoever murdered Paul would have done so regardless of the source. I hope they find who and I hope they find why. And I blame that person, not an object.

And that's all ill say about that.

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[danzn16]

I just don't understand why Australia is compared to US in so many threads here? What does Australia have to do with Paul? It just seems so random to me. Now Australia and US gun differences are often talked about and I see what you're getting at there but then you say you aren't talking about that. Forgive my confusion


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[BetteDavisEyes]

It is relevant only because I find the chances of two students being shot with no evidence, motive, or suspects, to be statistically so unlikely, that I can't accept it.

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In the 1994 case of Renee Welka, there was a one-time suspect, Clarence Powell II, who was released due to insufficient evidence.

http://oldnews.aadl.org/aa_news_19940812-charges_dropped

 

[black_squirrel]

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In the 1994 case of Renee Welka, there was a one-time suspect, Clarence Powell II, who was released due to insufficient evidence.

http://oldnews.aadl.org/aa_news_19940812-charges_dropped

From the article it seems that the suspect was innocent. I don't think
the two murders are connected because they are 19 years apart, but I guess one should explore all avenues.

In DeWolf's case, I am pretty sure that there is some motive that we
do not know. If you are going to shoot a random person, why invade
a home were several people are present. There probably is a reason
why DeWolf was targeted. In the Welka case I am less sure if Welka
was specifically targeted. It could be a mistaken identity.

But suppose that they are connected, then there should be some link
between the 2 victims which might tell us something about the
perpetrator.

The two victims live in different towns, go to different universities
are members of different fraternities/sororities.

Welka lived in the Glencoe Hills apartments, which is on the border
of Ypsilanti and Ann Arbor. Some University of Michigan students
might live there, because the University of Michigan (in Ann Arbor)
is about 3 miles down the road. But most students probably
prefer housing closer to campus.

 

[black_squirrel]

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In the 1994 case of Renee Welka, there was a one-time suspect, Clarence Powell II, who was released due to insufficient evidence.

http://oldnews.aadl.org/aa_news_19940812-charges_dropped

From the article it seems that the suspect was innocent. I don't think
the two murders are connected because they are 19 years apart, but I guess one should explore all avenues.

In DeWolf's case, I am pretty sure that there is some motive that we
do not know. If you are going to shoot a random person, why invade
a home were several people are present. There probably is a reason
why DeWolf was targeted. In the Welka case I am less sure if Welka
was specifically targeted. It could be a mistaken identity.

But suppose that they are connected, then there should be some link
between the 2 victims which might tell us something about the
perpetrator.

The two victims live in different towns, go to different universities
are members of different fraternities/sororities.

Welka lived in the Glencoe Hills apartments, which is on the border
of Ypsilanti and Ann Arbor. Some University of Michigan students
might live there, because the University of Michigan (in Ann Arbor)
is about 3 miles down the road. But most students probably
prefer housing closer to campus.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

From the article it seems that the suspect was innocent. I don't think
the two murders are connected because they are 19 years apart, but I guess one should explore all avenues.

In DeWolf's case, I am pretty sure that there is some motive that we
do not know. If you are going to shoot a random person, why invade
a home were several people are present. There probably is a reason
why DeWolf was targeted. In the Welka case I am less sure if Welka
was specifically targeted. It could be a mistaken identity.

But suppose that they are connected, then there should be some link
between the 2 victims which might tell us something about the
perpetrator.

The two victims live in different towns, go to different universities
are members of different fraternities/sororities.

Welka lived in the Glencoe Hills apartments, which is on the border
of Ypsilanti and Ann Arbor. Some University of Michigan students
might live there, because the University of Michigan (in Ann Arbor)
is about 3 miles down the road. But most students probably
prefer housing closer to campus.

Following his brief incarceration in the Welka case, the one-time suspect was headed off to college in Atlanta, GA. For all we know, Powell might not have ever returned to Michigan.

While I haven't lived in the A2/Ypsi area since 1974, both my husband and I were undergrad/graduate students from 1966-1974 and are familiar with the area. I did my student teaching at Huron High School where Powell had been a student, and DH and I considered the Glencoe Hills complex when we were newlyweds and looking for off-campus housing.

Renee Welka was shot while in her car outside of her apartment, while Paul DeWolf was shot in his room in the fraternity house. Welka's murder seems like a drive-by shooting, perhaps random, and she might not have been the intended victim. I strongly believe that DeWolf knew his killer. :moo: