GUILTY MI - Paul DeWolf, 25, fatally shot in Ann Arbor frat house, 23 July 2013

[LambChop]

???? I have not seen that reported anywhere.

Ooppps. No you won't see a report. I was just explaining my prior post which was an opinion, not fact. jmo

 

[LambChop]

So, basically baseless speculation.

I was basing it on the victim just buying a gun which was speculation from another poster which I read incorrectly. The other parts were speculation based on the fact that he was shot in the neck and a gun was not found. It could very well have been an accident or a struggle. JMO

 

[jjenny]

I was basing it on the victim just buying a gun which was speculation from another poster which I read incorrectly. The other parts were speculation based on the fact that he was shot in the neck and a gun was not found. It could very well have been an accident or a struggle. JMO

Some poster speculating that victim might have bought a gun doesn't mean victim had a gun.
If victim didn't have a gun, then somebody brought a gun to victim's place of living. So how is that accidental?

 

[LambChop]

Some poster speculating that victim might have bought a gun doesn't mean victim had a gun.
If victim didn't have a gun, then somebody brought a gun to victim's place of living. So how is that accidental?

The nature of the wound makes it appear it could have been accidental. If he did not have a gun then it would appear someone brought the gun with them. I believe you can legally carry a gun in Michigan as long as you have a permit. jmo

 

[OldSteve]

Strange case. He was such a high achiever, super-high actually. Wonder if that played into it, as was mentioned.
Also, one shot to the neck is strange. Almost as if someone shot him by accident in the heat of an argument or something, and then fled...
But if accident, why flee? Try to help, call 911.. since wound does look accidental.

 

[jjenny]

The nature of the wound makes it appear it could have been accidental. If he did not have a gun then it would appear someone brought the gun with them. I believe you can legally carry a gun in Michigan as long as you have a permit. jmo

How does the nature of the wound makes it appear accidental? Again, since it doesn't appear that victim had a gun, somebody had to come in with a gun, shoot the victim and leave, taking the gun.
How is that accidental?

 

[LambChop]

How does the nature of the wound makes it appear accidental? Again, since it doesn't appear that victim had a gun, somebody had to come in with a gun, shoot the victim and leave, taking the gun.
How is that accidental?

The wound was to the neck and the ME was unable to determine it was a gunshot. That could mean either an accidental shooting or a struggle. The whole thing just seems very strange. jmo

 

[jjenny]

The wound was to the neck and the ME was unable to determine it was a gunshot. That could mean either an accidental shooting or a struggle. The whole thing just seems very strange. jmo

ME had no trouble determining this was a gun shot wound.
He ruled that Paul was shot by someone.

 

[LambChop]

Police and medical examiner officials could not immediately tell what kind of injury DeWolf suffered when he was found on Wednesday. It took until an autopsy performed Thursday for officials to determine DeWolf was killed by a single gunshot wound.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/...d-investigating-death-of-u-m-medical-student/

Seems odd that it took an autopsy to determine he was shot. I wonder if the bullet could have been fired from outside or another room and it was just a freak accident that nobody's owned up to.

So far this all we know.

 

[jjenny]

So far this all we know.

Couldn't tell before the autopsy doesn't mean ME had any trouble determining the cause of death.
And likely nobody is going to release the cause/manner of death prior to autopsy anyway.

 

[fred&edna]

'Seems to me that we have no evidence to support/refute an accident. Most everyone seems to be speculating based on what little we know... and that's okay with me

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

'Seems to me that we have no evidence to support/refute an accident. Most everyone seems to be speculating based on what little we know... and that's okay with me

Ditto! :thumb:

 

[Hejlena]

'Seems to me that we have no evidence to support/refute an accident. Most everyone seems to be speculating based on what little we know... and that's okay with me

The thanks button isn't enough. Everybody...every.body... Is speculating. It's what we do with what we have.

 

[OldSteve]

I'm trying to recall any cases in which a deliberate kill shot was to the neck, and just a single shot at that. In a rage multiple shots are fired... In a deliberate hit, two shots are the rule... more if a mob hit...
So the single neck shot seems to me to be where someone might be threatening a person and the gun goes off unintentionally (easy to do!), or a person who amateurishly shoots and suddenly realizes or panics over what was done... or perhaps to wanted to graze an arm and missed....

 

[jjenny]

I'm trying to recall any cases in which a deliberate kill shot was to the neck, and just a single shot at that. In a rage multiple shots are fired... In a deliberate hit, two shots are the rule... more if a mob hit...
So the single neck shot seems to me to be where someone might be threatening a person and the gun goes off unintentionally (easy to do!), or a person who amateurishly shoots and suddenly realizes or panics over what was done... or perhaps to wanted to craze an arm and missed....

We don't even know if the shot was from the front or the back. For all I know victim was sleeping when shot.

 

[OldSteve]

We don't even know if the shot was from the front or the back. For all I know victim was sleeping when shot.

True, and good point. Still, - I'm trying to recall any cases in which a deliberate kill shot was to the neck, and just a single shot at that. In a rage multiple shots are fired... In a deliberate hit, two shots are the rule... more if a mob hit...
Still could be a case where someone is not quite sure what they want to do, and gun goes off..
Also, seems like small caliber, perhaps a 22, since wound wasn't easily seen, which makes less sense in terms of killing someone with a neck shot.
(I'll spare gory details of why a 22 to the head works).

ETA: If it was a small cal, hope they really looked around to see if any bullets are in the walls.

 

[jjenny]

Not everybody is an expert marksman. The shot might not be a deliberate shot in the neck, but that doesn't make it accidental.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

And if you are a medical intern, you could probably place the pistol on the neck area so precisely that pulling the trigger would be almost the same as severing the carotid artery. One shot and done.

Perhaps easy-peesy if the person is asleep???

 

[jjenny]

And if you are a medical intern, you could probably place the pistol on the neck area so precisely that pulling the trigger would be almost the same as severing the carotid artery. One shot and done.

Perhaps easy-peesy if the person is asleep???

Or sitting in a chair watching TV, etc.
As long as he wasn't moving too much, someone could have walked up to him and shot him at whatever spot that someone wanted.

 

[OldSteve]

And if you are a medical intern, you could probably place the pistol on the neck area so precisely that pulling the trigger would be almost the same as severing the carotid artery. One shot and done.

Perhaps easy-peesy if the person is asleep???

Not arguing, just thinking... if a med intern, a scalpel would be much easier...