GUILTY MI - Paul DeWolf, 25, fatally shot in Ann Arbor frat house, 23 July 2013

  • #341
http://www.annarbor.com/news/offici...pus-apartment-was-a-talented-medical-student/

When I google, pool of blood comes up. But when I read the actual article, they report "found dead" - no blood mentioned. Weird.

Ok, enough from me for now. :blushing:

Hi Woebegone! The article you cite does have the following statement, and I'm quoting it (11th paragraph down) verbatim and BBM:

"Not many official details have been released by police at this point. A report from WWMT in Kalamazoo said Ann Arbor police confirmed DeWolf was found in a pool of blood in the apartment."
 
  • #342
http://videos.huffingtonpost.com/potential-witness-eyed-in-mich-students-death-517880927

What is the red standing thing (at .11-12 mins. in the video) nearby to the guy on the phone? Is that a permanent object that indicates exactly where he was standing while using his phone?
What is it about the video that indicates the time of day the image was captured?

Also, the guy came forward on August 1 and LE went to that apartment location on August 4.
Statements given by LE are a little sketchy imo as to whether or not either of these leads have anything to do with PW or not. So far LE issued statements indicating they don't believe they're related to the crime.

The red object in the video looks to be a fire alarm. Likely a permanent object, I would assume, for fire safety reasons. As to the time of the video capture of the witness, IDK. Can't tell from the media video given.

To me, it looks like the witness is standing outside a building, near a large glass door. It would be helpful to know what type of building that is -- a dorm, academic building, etc. It's still weird that surveillance camera only captured ONE person in that vicinity, but perhaps LE narrowed down the time of death for Paul and that was the only time period in which someone was standing around near Paul's frat?

LE should, if they have not already done so, check the witness' phone records and see whom exactly he was talking to. Of course, LE has stated the witness has no connection to the murder so hopefully they're on the right track and excluded him after thorough analysis. Unfortunately I've seen cases wherein LE just "take the words at face value" of witnesses (or their family members) because the witness/family is affluent or has high political connections. Let's hope that's not the case here.
 
  • #343
Thanks.
Forensics haven't come back from the lab in PW's case. Specifics not given.
Per the article, cases grow cold because of the lack of manpower, time and leads.
Within the first 48 hours there's a checklist of about 90 things to determine about the crime.
After that detectives regroup moving on to another phase of investigating the crime.
In the meantime, new crimes happen, so the old ones fade into the background.
But you never know when a witness might come forward giving new life to a case.

I agree with Prof. Carter. But cases do become cold quite quickly because evidence do and I don't want to say frequently but definitely on many occasions, unfortunately get lost, misplaced, even uncollected and inaccurately examined and therefore used and disposed of (e.g., DNA), witnesses do disappear whether due passing from old age, illness, relocation, etc.

But here's some hope and comic relief. In the article it is written: “Time does make a difference in the way witnesses will work. If a witness is older, born again or has a change in their life.”

“It happens surprisingly frequently.”

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor...t_sometimes_people_get_aw.html#incart_m-rpt-2

LOL If a witness is "born again"? Now that's funny. Reincarnated? Maybe he just means a "born again Christian" or someone whose values changed drastically and they decide to come forward with (old) information regarding cases?
 
  • #344
Sorry, the link did not work as I had hoped. You have to zoom in yourself to
the right location (corner of Catherine St. and N. Ingalls street),
and use "birdview".

Thanks but I was unable to see anything resembling area where the video captured potential witness of glass, double-doors or fire alarm. All I see from bird's eye under 100% zoom-in are buildings and trees. I do see a high-rise. Is that where you believe the witness was standing?

I just checked maps.google.com for the fraternity address 220 N. Ingalls St ann arbor mi. The pics are a lot clearer though I don't know how accurate google maps is. I also see high rise right across street of what google says is the fraternity. I still don't see the glass, double-doors or any fire alarm...

Since you are a local, I trust you have the most accurate observations of where exactly the witness and the frat house is :)

Keep us posted if you hear or see anything more.
 
  • #345
I may have missed the detail that Paul was found in a pool of blood. My impression is that the wound wasn't apparent until the autopsy was performed. Considering he'd been shot, it makes sense if there was a pool of blood though. So, my question is, is it possible there wasn't a pool of blood knowing he'd been shot?

The image I pictured from reading first accounts is that a small calibur bullet was used and was aimed precisely at Paul's neck hitting the key artery. Is it possible a bullet can enter cleanly, remain embedded, leaving no blood spill whatsoever? I don't know if that's even possible. Yet the initial report sounded as if the injury wasn't visible when first responders arrived. Unless they meant they didn't know what kind of injury caused the blood pool (but I don't recall blood pool iirc). If the latter, there must not have been an exit wound.

Reality is though that LE often doesn't release all the details surrounding a crime scene. Details may leak out, rumors circulate, etc.

I believe it's possilbe to narrow down the type of gun used when they have a bullet. If they want to test a specific gun, they can tell if it fired the bullet found or determine the gun wasn't used in the crime. In a murder case where a gun was found at the bottom of a lake, it was determined the bullet used matched the gun (can't remember the case).

Thanks for the info about ballistic matching!

Lots of articles say that Paul was found in a pool of blood. Here are some, BBM:
1) http://www.woodtv.com/news/local/se-mich/university-of-michigan-student-death-investigation

"Sources tell WOOD TV8's Detroit affiliate WDIV that DeWolf was found in a pool of blood."

2) http://fox17online.com/news/stories/u-of-m-students-death-a-homicide/

"ANN ARBOR, Mich. — According to WJBK, the FOX affiliate in Detroit, Schoolcraft native and University of Michigan medical student Paul DeWolf was found dead in a pool of blood in his off-campus residence in Ann Arbor on Wednesday."

3) http://www.thv11.com/news/article/274020/288/Mystery-surrounds-death-of-Mich-medical-student

"He was found dead by a single gunshot wound and found in a pool of blood inside his bedroom at an off-campus fraternity house last Wednesday."
 
  • #346
Thanks for the info about ballistic matching!

Lots of articles say that Paul was found in a pool of blood. Here are some, BBM:
1) http://www.woodtv.com/news/local/se-mich/university-of-michigan-student-death-investigation

"Sources tell WOOD TV8's Detroit affiliate WDIV that DeWolf was found in a pool of blood."

2) http://fox17online.com/news/stories/u-of-m-students-death-a-homicide/

"ANN ARBOR, Mich. — According to WJBK, the FOX affiliate in Detroit, Schoolcraft native and University of Michigan medical student Paul DeWolf was found dead in a pool of blood in his off-campus residence in Ann Arbor on Wednesday."

3) http://www.thv11.com/news/article/274020/288/Mystery-surrounds-death-of-Mich-medical-student

"He was found dead by a single gunshot wound and found in a pool of blood inside his bedroom at an off-campus fraternity house last Wednesday."

A "pool of blood" is exactly how a lazy hack would spice up a story.

One does it, the others repeat, and before you know it, it's being sleuthed on here.

I would take the Pool of Blood thing with a grain of salt, personally.

If they'd seen blood, they would have seen a gunshot wound. :cow:
 
  • #347
A "pool of blood" is exactly how a lazy hack would spice up a story.

One does it, the others repeat, and before you know it, it's being sleuthed on here.

I would take the Pool of Blood thing with a grain of salt, personally.

If they'd seen blood, they would have seen a gunshot wound. :cow:

I don't believe that's the case here. Many reports and tv newscasters have used the exact term and they state directly that LE told them Paul was found in a "pool of blood."

If you think about it, that would reasonably be an accurate description as Paul was bleeding out of his neck, hemorrhaging nonstop. No one was there to help him stop the bleeding. That is one reason I asked whether he himself tried to halt the bleeding with his fingers/towel, etc. But given as I had posted about this before, that it is near impossible to stop a carotid from bleeding -- literally you canNOT put a tourniquet around bleeding wound -- it is safe to assume Paul bled out. Nonstop. If he started bleeding at night on Tuesday (let's just assume around midnight) and he was NOT found until the following afternoon around 11:30am, according to reports, then that is at least 11 hours of bleeding out. That would equal many many quarts of blood leaking from Paul's body which equals a "pool of blood."
 
  • #348
Thanks for the info about ballistic matching!

Lots of articles say that Paul was found in a pool of blood. Here are some, BBM:
1) http://www.woodtv.com/news/local/se-mich/university-of-michigan-student-death-investigation

"Sources tell WOOD TV8's Detroit affiliate WDIV that DeWolf was found in a pool of blood."

2) http://fox17online.com/news/stories/u-of-m-students-death-a-homicide/

"ANN ARBOR, Mich. — According to WJBK, the FOX affiliate in Detroit, Schoolcraft native and University of Michigan medical student Paul DeWolf was found dead in a pool of blood in his off-campus residence in Ann Arbor on Wednesday."

3) http://www.thv11.com/news/article/274020/288/Mystery-surrounds-death-of-Mich-medical-student

"He was found dead by a single gunshot wound and found in a pool of blood inside his bedroom at an off-campus fraternity house last Wednesday."

It's weird why or how my mind does or doesn't latch onto certain info (reason why we post links). I guess, in this case, I can't figure out why they didn't know he had been shot until the autopsy was conducted. Maybe they didn't mess with him forensically at the scene, which would be strange (yes or no?), and the entry wound was small? Because, and I'm sorry, but if not a small wound, wouldn't being shot in the neck or head make a big mess along with splatter pattern and other gunshot evidence (like determining if residue is present which helps determine how close or far the gun was held to the victim) being found at the scene. I hope they took pictures and treated it like a crime scene. I'm beginning to wonder if they did or not. Did authorities secure his room after they left?
 
  • #349
I don't believe that's the case here. Many reports and tv newscasters have used the exact term and they state directly that LE told them Paul was found in a "pool of blood."

If you think about it, that would reasonably be an accurate description as Paul was bleeding out of his neck, hemorrhaging nonstop. No one was there to help him stop the bleeding. That is one reason I asked whether he himself tried to halt the bleeding with his fingers/towel, etc. But given as I had posted about this before, that it is near impossible to stop a carotid from bleeding -- literally you canNOT put a tourniquet around bleeding wound -- it is safe to assume Paul bled out. Nonstop. If he started bleeding at night on Tuesday (let's just assume around midnight) and he was NOT found until the following afternoon around 11:30am, according to reports, then that is at least 11 hours of bleeding out. That would equal many many quarts of blood leaking from Paul's body which equals a "pool of blood."

It just doesn't sound like something LE would say to me. I think I'll wait for the actual quote of someone with a badge saying it. :twocents:

A lot, as usual, depends on COD.

If P died of exsanguination because the bullet hit a major artery, yes, there would be loads of blood. A veritable explosion of it too, that stuff pumps around under quite a bit of pressure.

If P died because the bullet hit say, his brain stem, maybe not so much. In fact bullets can cauterize on their way through, so it's quite possible to die of a small calibre gunshot wound with no external bleeding at all.

I'm assuming the bullet was still in his body (no revealing exit wound).

Also, my point from earlier - whoever did it, knew they'd done it right. They didn't fire a second shot so he must've died immediately. Who gets this lucky first attempt?

:cow:

They need to start looking at local practice ranges, see who's been working on their aim lately.
 
  • #350
http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/...dents-death-being-investigated-as-a-homicide/
One of the first reports, no cod given but homicide mentioned.

http://fox17online.com/news/stories/u-of-m-students-death-a-homicide/#axzz2flW1YXaO
Several articles linked together at this link. Two from July 26, one of them reports "pool of blood" but no spokesperson is quoted. The other articles report "found dead", adding later, "from a single gunshot wound".

http://www.woodtv.com/news/local/se-mich/university-of-michigan-student-death-investigation
In this link, "sources tell . . . affiliate . . . found in a pool of blood".
What sources? They should know better. Geesh.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/...gunshot-wound-to-neck-fired-by-another-peson/
Here's a report about what's on the death certificate; a single shot to the neck and shot by another person. TOD unknown.
 
  • #351
http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/...dents-death-being-investigated-as-a-homicide/
One of the first reports, no cod given but homicide mentioned.

http://fox17online.com/news/stories/u-of-m-students-death-a-homicide/#axzz2flW1YXaO
Several articles linked together at this link. Two from July 26, one of them reports "pool of blood" but no spokesperson is quoted. The other articles report "found dead", adding later, "from a single gunshot wound".

http://www.woodtv.com/news/local/se-mich/university-of-michigan-student-death-investigation
In this link, "sources tell . . . affiliate . . . found in a pool of blood".
What sources? They should know better. Geesh.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/...gunshot-wound-to-neck-fired-by-another-peson/
Here's a report about what's on the death certificate; a single shot to the neck and shot by another person. TOD unknown.

One of those comments says -

One bullet to the spine from behind, immediately severing the spinal cord, no blood, while he was sitting at his desk, as if whoever did it crept right up behind him.

God alone knows if it's true or not but it is the sort of thing I can imagine. If it is so, he didn't see it coming.

Was Paul in the habit of studying with headphones on?

Was he sloppy about locking his door? A lot of strong young men are.

:dunno:
 
  • #352
It's weird why or how my mind does or doesn't latch onto certain info (reason why we post links). I guess, in this case, I can't figure out why they didn't know he had been shot until the autopsy was conducted. Maybe they didn't mess with him forensically at the scene, which would be strange (yes or no?), and the entry wound was small? Because, and I'm sorry, but if not a small wound, wouldn't being shot in the neck or head make a big mess along with splatter pattern and other gunshot evidence (like determining if residue is present which helps determine how close or far the gun was held to the victim) being found at the scene. I hope they took pictures and treated it like a crime scene. I'm beginning to wonder if they did or not. Did authorities secure his room after they left?

I know exactly what you're saying! When I initially started reading about this case, I was like, WTH can't they find a bullet wound on the victim?

Then I read more and more articles on this case and saw the phrase he was found in a "pool of blood" and that he was shot in the neck, and it hit me like a ton of bricks that when people are shot just once in other areas of their body, like the arm or chest, their immediate reaction would be to grasp that area and apply pressure to it to try to stop the pain/bleeding. They likely would have found some fabric (t-shirt, etc.) to apply to that bleeding area.

However, for Paul, apparently getting shot in the neck (I think he was likely shot in the carotid unless the autopsy report says otherwise), there was very little Paul himself could have done to stop the hemorrhage. So he couldn't put a t-shirt or anything around it. Otherwise, it'd shunt the blood from reaching his brain and he'd be braindead or suffer brain damage. SMH

It's just so horrific that this perp shot him right in the neck! Who does that except someone sadistic, especially if Paul was shot in the neck intentionally.

I think that is why LE couldn't figure out initially where Paul was shot. They didn't see any areas of Paul's body where a t-shirt, etc. was applied to stop the bleeding. And the bullet wound might have been small but lethally effective. That is another reason I think the perp is a skilled marksman. S/he knew exactly where to shoot Paul for maximal emotional torture and to prevent Paul from stopping his own bleeding. Can you imagine how helpless Paul felt if he were not in a complete state of paralytic shock that he couldn't do anything to help himself stop his neck from bleeding out? I think that must have been excruciating for a future doctor like Paul.

To me, the perp must have had some long-standing anger towards either Paul or doctors in general, if the murder was not personal. But if it were impersonal, why target only Paul? Why him?
 
  • #353
It just doesn't sound like something LE would say to me. I think I'll wait for the actual quote of someone with a badge saying it. :twocents:

A lot, as usual, depends on COD.

If P died of exsanguination because the bullet hit a major artery, yes, there would be loads of blood. A veritable explosion of it too, that stuff pumps around under quite a bit of pressure.

If P died because the bullet hit say, his brain stem, maybe not so much. In fact bullets can cauterize on their way through, so it's quite possible to die of a small calibre gunshot wound with no external bleeding at all.

I'm assuming the bullet was still in his body (no revealing exit wound).

Also, my point from earlier - whoever did it, knew they'd done it right. They didn't fire a second shot so he must've died immediately. Who gets this lucky first attempt?

:cow:

They need to start looking at local practice ranges, see who's been working on their aim lately.

Exactly! I think the murder had to be personal or someone with a vengeance against doctors if it's not a personal. And that it was a skilled marksman. No one would get that lucky if they were unskilled.

I also have a hard time believing that NO ONE heard the gunshot -- unless the perp used a silencer. I'm thinking if the frat house is an old building, there would not be that much insulation in the walls and floors. Someone would have heard a gunshot. Gunshots are loud.

As to the "pool of blood", I have heard LE using that phrase on-camera in pressers so I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility that LE in this case used the phrase. I agree that having the AR would really help. I want to see the nitty-gritty details of where in the neck Paul was shot, whether they recovered the bullet, in what position was Paul's body found, etc.

Another thing to note is that a pool of blood doesn't necessarily give the quantity of blood. Could be a small pool of blood, although I think, if he weren't found until 11 hours later, it likely was a large pool.

Many more insights could be gained if only we have the AR.
 
  • #354
Here's a good site about different kinds of guns and what forensic knowledge about gunshot wounds entails.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1975428-overview#a1

One could read here all night. After 'Overview' is 'Modern Small Arms'.

There's alot to know and sounds as if alot can be determined by the wound/bullet too.
 
  • #355
You've made some good observations. You know what I'm curious about? If Paul rushed the attacker and got hit on the neck in a missed aim by attacker, were Paul's hands full of blood trying to stop the blood gushing out of his neck?

It was said in MSM articles that there were no signs of struggle, but does that mean Paul showed no signs of self-defense against his attacker? And did Paul try to halt the hemorrhage from his own neck by using his hand, towel, etc.? (We do know how near impossible it is to put a tourniquet in the neck especially if the carotid had been hit and leaking but you would think if Paul were not unconscious/in paralytic shock that he would have tried something to stop the bleeding from his neck).

So many questions...If only we have his autopsy report, then we could actually gain some more insight into what might have happened.

Certainly Paul deserves justice and the cold-blooded murderer who is likely still free and running loose needs to be punished and at minimum, put behind bars :jail: so that s/he can't harm/kill someone else.

Good point about his trying to stop the bleeding... wonder if a person in his state would try to write a name in blood if he knew his attacker... Don't know...probably too busy trying to stop the bleeding...
 
  • #356
Here's a good site about different kinds of guns and what forensic knowledge about gunshot wounds entails.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1975428-overview#a1

One could read here all night. After 'Overview' is 'Modern Small Arms'.

There's alot to know and sounds as if alot can be determined by the wound/bullet too.

Thanks for the website with detailed info re: ballistics analysis. I was only aware that a bullet can help identify the type of gun a perp had used, but this site provided much more thorough info regarding the in-depth forensics behind that process and the care needed to isolate a bullet to a particular weapon as well as avoiding contamination and misinterpretations. :rockon:

I hope the investigators in the Air Force and Ann Arbor LE will be able to narrow down what type of gun was involved in the murder of Paul and screen their criminal and gun registry databases for people who own such guns and further narrow down potential POIs.
 
  • #357
Good point about his trying to stop the bleeding... wonder if a person in his state would try to write a name in blood if he knew his attacker... Don't know...probably too busy trying to stop the bleeding...

Hopefully Paul did try, although if he did, LE would have caught the perp by now.

If you think about it, the perp was very very lucky with that single gunshot to Paul's neck. Had he been just a bit off, Paul might have been able to save himself, or at the very least, identify the perp by writing in blood or grabbing hold of a pen (I assume he had many in his room since he was a med student) and writing the perp's name on paper -- or even dial 911 on his cellphone, etc.

It befuddles the mind that it appeared Paul did NONE of these things. The question is why not? The only things I can think of are that either Paul went into shock and was immediately unconscious from the single gunshot or the perp thwarted Paul's efforts by actively stopping Paul from any actions while watching Paul die.

If it's the latter, wow, this perp is a real sadistic b-stard.
 
  • #358
Sorry, the link did not work as I had hoped. You have to zoom in yourself to
the right location (corner of Catherine St. and N. Ingalls street),
and use "birdview".

I also assumed the potential witness picture was taken at the medical center since it is just across the street from Paul's home. However, nothing around the area matches up exactly to the surveillance picture. (Maybe it is a door that cannot be seen from the street view of Google maps) I still wonder why he would be a potential witness. Did they get surveillance of him near Paul's home but, the picture posted by LE was surveillance from a another location that caught the identity of his face? Being at the medical center wouldn't necessarily make you a potential witness. Unless he was the only one during a certain time frame I suppose.
 
  • #359
Paul posted on Fb that his computer was hacked after one of his friends posted on his page as him. It was a joke relating to liking a sports team. Paul says someone got to his computer and further stated that it also meant someone broke into his room. This was all in good fun but, who had access to his room when he wasn't there or when it was locked? Or did Paul often leave his door unlocked?
 
  • #360
Good point about his trying to stop the bleeding... wonder if a person in his state would try to write a name in blood if he knew his attacker... Don't know...probably too busy trying to stop the bleeding...

If (big IF) he was shot in the back of the neck, his spinal cord was instantly severed and he wasn't doing anything at all.

Immediate paralysis and death.

:cow:
 

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