MI - Samantha Woll, a Detroit synagogue president, fatally stabbed *Arrest*

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well, in light of the fact he has been released without charges being laid I am glad his name was not released. If he is the perp, they will find the evidence to secure probable cause. And if he isn't the one responsible at least his life hasn't been ruined by the suggestion that he was.

I look forward to seeing what LE can come up with in the way of leads and evidence that points to someone they can charge.
 
Two very high profile cases with no updates. Give us an update even if you say nothing new, DPD. Keep talking about Dr. Hoover and Sam. Someone knows something about both of these. Say something that knocks it loose for both of these totally unrelated, but equally unsolved, murders.

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Recalling that DPD Chief White said that there would be an arrest in the case "before snow hits the ground", snow is forecast for metro Detroit next Wednesday, November 1...
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Does anyone have any insight into the silence on this case?

There have been no recent updates from police - but Samantha Woll's family also seems quiet about this as well. There does not seem to be the type of large scale activism that you would expect in a situation like this.

I don't observe this as any manner of criticism - in fact the opposite - i'm guessing her family knows information we all don't know???
 
IMO, this was a crime motivated by anti-Semitism and today's political and ethnic tensions over the the situation in the Middle East. I speculate that someone was watching Woll's townhouse to check her routine for an opportunity to attack, and entered it after she left for the wedding. Perhaps the perpetrator felt that there was too much visibility to attack during the day. The perpetrator could have patiently waited inside her home for her return. The anger evident in the attack could be motivated by hatred.

The lack of an arrest could be due to an unwillingness to arrest the perpetrator for various political reasons. JMO
 
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Warwick1991 said:
IMO, this was a crime motivated by anti-Semitism and today's political and ethnic tensions over the the situation in the Middle East. I speculate that someone was watching Woll's townhouse to check her routine for an opportunity to attack, and entered it after she left for the wedding. Perhaps the perpetrator felt that there was too much visibility to attack during the day. The perpetrator could have patiently waited inside her home for her return. The anger evident in the attack could be motivated by hatred.

The lack of an arrest could be due to an unwillingness to arrest the perpetrator for various political reasons. JMO
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It's been repeatedly stated by police that they don't think this is racially motivated and believe it's personal. It sounds like a DV murder, imo.

Reposting this link.

Deadline Detroit reported Thursday that the suspect knew Woll well and attended the same synagogue, the Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue on Griswold.

The suspect attended her funeral on Oct. 22, according to one person who interacted with him there. He was also present at the August celebration for the reopening of the building following a $6 million renovation, and posed for photos with Woll.
 
Warwick1991 said:
IMO, this was a crime motivated by anti-Semitism and today's political and ethnic tensions over the the situation in the Middle East. I speculate that someone was watching Woll's townhouse to check her routine for an opportunity to attack, and entered it after she left for the wedding. Perhaps the perpetrator felt that there was too much visibility to attack during the day. The perpetrator could have patiently waited inside her home for her return. The anger evident in the attack could be motivated by hatred.

The lack of an arrest could be due to an unwillingness to arrest the perpetrator for various political reasons. JMO
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In my observation over the years, I haven't seen LE unwilling to arrest murder suspects based on political reasons. I have seen LE unwilling to arrest murder suspects because the evidence is not quite solid enough for a conviction.

jmo
 
Warwick1991 said:
IMO, this was a crime motivated by anti-Semitism and today's political and ethnic tensions over the the situation in the Middle East. I speculate that someone was watching Woll's townhouse to check her routine for an opportunity to attack, and entered it after she left for the wedding. Perhaps the perpetrator felt that there was too much visibility to attack during the day. The perpetrator could have patiently waited inside her home for her return. The anger evident in the attack could be motivated by hatred.

The lack of an arrest could be due to an unwillingness to arrest the perpetrator for various political reasons. JMO
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There’s zero evidence of a hate-motivated crime. “The anger evident in the attack” does not suffice to establish anything. Many attacks - including DV - prominently feature “anger.” LE has consistently stated that they do not believe the death has anything to do with her religion/ethnicity or Middle East tensions. It’s irresponsible to claim otherwise given the total dearth of evidence suggesting a hate crime.

 
Shamrock1 said:
There’s zero evidence of a hate-motivated crime. “The anger evident in the attack” does not suffice to establish anything. Many attacks - including DV - prominently feature “anger.” LE has consistently stated that they do not believe the death has anything to do with her religion/ethnicity or Middle East tensions. It’s irresponsible to claim otherwise given the total dearth of evidence suggesting a hate crime.

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A hate crime or a domestic violence crime would not necessarily have different signatures, especially if the perpetrator worked hard to cover their tracks. There is no reason to assume that a "statement" would be left at the scene if it was a hate crime.

LE arrested someone who apparently is not the perpetrator, as he was freed and faced no charges. LE simply does not know who the perpetrator is at this point, and there isn't anything pointing towards or away from a hate crime. Given the lack of information, LE has dismissed the possibility of a hate crime too quickly. Ms. Woll was a leader in the local Jewish community, and in a time of tension and confrontation, she could be a target. JMO
 
I find these 2 statements a bit questionable.

They've said that they do not believe her murder had been 'anti-Semitic" motivated so that eliminated any knowledge of threats, harassment that she or her close community got, imo.

POI are those who LE believe might be involved with the crime and is White talking more than one or is that just par for the course language in an investigation?
He kinda makes it sound like Samantha ran with a highly questionable crowd and he's got a few on his radar after interviewing them.

What's this about?
I don't recall reading anything about Samantha's personal life which I also found a bit strange.

“There are very intricate details about this case."




Detroit police say they've identified several people of interest in synagogue president's killing

Oct, 23,2023

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'Chief James White invited reporters to hear an update on the investigation, though he released few new details and declined to disclose Samantha Woll’s connection to any of the people of interest.

“We have to be very, very cautious as to what information we share,” White said. “There are very intricate details about this case that, if revealed, could really damage what we’re trying to accomplish.'
 
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I find these 2 statements a bit questionable.

They've said that they do not believe her murder had been 'anti-Semitic" motivated so that eliminated any knowledge of threats, harassment that she or her close community got, imo.

POI are those who LE believe might be involved with the crime and is White talking more than one or is that just par for the course language in an investigation?
He kinda makes it sound like Samantha ran with a highly questionable crowd and he's got a few on his radar after interviewing them.

What's this about?
I don't recall reading anything about Samantha's personal life which I also found a bit strange.

“There are very intricate details about this case."




Detroit police say they've identified several people of interest in synagogue president's killing

Oct, 23,2023

snip:

'Chief James White invited reporters to hear an update on the investigation, though he released few new details and declined to disclose Samantha Woll’s connection to any of the people of interest.

“We have to be very, very cautious as to what information we share,” White said. “There are very intricate details about this case that, if revealed, could really damage what we’re trying to accomplish.'
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Perhaps White is looking at a circle of Woll's personal acquaintances, and considers them suspects. If so, are they credible suspects?

There are times when LE targets friends or family of a victim when a stranger is the perpetrator.
 
Warwick1991 said:
Perhaps White is looking at a circle of Woll's personal acquaintances, and considers them suspects. If so, are they credible suspects?

There are times when LE targets friends or family of a victim when a stranger is the perpetrator.
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I find it stretching that among Woll's circle of friends White could/would find a few who are being investigated as POIs.
I found this explanation that I had not read before on why the arrested suspect may have been released.
It may have been posted already?

www.cbsnews.com

Attorney weighs in on murder case of Detroit synagogue president Samantha Woll

Recently, the suspect in the Woll murder case was released and not charged.
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'Recently, the suspect in the Woll murder case was released and not charged. However, Jaafar said that doesn't always indicate that an individual is innocent or guilty.

"There are a multitude of reasons why they won't charge you with a crime in the beginning. First of all, they might not have enough evidence to charge you with a crime. Another reason is they might want to see who you go out with. They might have a wiretap, they might be watching you, they might be surveilling you, Jaafar said.

Jaafar also said that releasing a suspect could allow investigators to grab additional evidence to strengthen their case.

"One of their tactics is to release you out into the public and see what you do and where you go and who you speak to," he said.

In the case of Woll, Jaafar said he believes investigators know exactly what they're doing and said he believes police will crack this case soon, even though the suspect has been released.

"Here you have a prominent woman stabbed. I cannot imagine the police being unable to track the assailant and level a charge of murder," Jaafar added.'
 
Warwick1991 said:
A hate crime or a domestic violence crime would not necessarily have different signatures, especially if the perpetrator worked hard to cover their tracks. There is no reason to assume that a "statement" would be left at the scene if it was a hate crime.

LE arrested someone who apparently is not the perpetrator, as he was freed and faced no charges. LE simply does not know who the perpetrator is at this point, and there isn't anything pointing towards or away from a hate crime. Given the lack of information, LE has dismissed the possibility of a hate crime too quickly. Ms. Woll was a leader in the local Jewish community, and in a time of tension and confrontation, she could be a target. JMO
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Of course she could be a target. But there’s been nothing to suggest her position, religion, or ethnicity were targeted.
 
One bite of the apple. Just because the person that was arrested wasn't charged that time doesn't mean he won't be charged later, nor does it indicate he's no longer a POI.

I find it interesting that Sam's colleagues and family are not publicly pleading for justice. They've been very discreet and quiet. I think it's only a matter of time before we see an arrest and it's the same person, only this time they will be charged. I suspect it will be someone she was either romantically involved with in the past or present, or someone who was interested in her and rejected/obsessed.

I just wish they'd get a move on. Same with Dr. Hoover's case. Get it together, DPD or ask for more outside help.

MOO
 
Warwick1991 said:
LE arrested someone who apparently is not the perpetrator, as he was freed and faced no charges.
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I think someone weighed in on this but just because someone was was arrested and released does not clear that person of the crime in question. That person was let go and not charged. Might be charged in the future though.
 
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