MI MI - Tanner Lucas, Alexander William, & Andrew Ryan Skelton, Morenci, 26 Nov 2010 #4

[hblocal01]

I was really hoping to find the end of this today

I wonder if they have searched around the church event site? He may have started thinking about it then.

I assume we know nothing more about the van being seen on the turnpike?
with the fancy gadgets we have, I would think we could get a better look in/at that van.

time line is still 5p last seen.....3p mother reports them missing? but...we dont know if the children were there and okay or not. He could have made it up. but then there is the roap and something found in the house. I assume they have some DNA back from that.

My weird ability to see things very seldom are correct, but I still see Kyron in water, and now I see the boys all tight against each other in a small dark something, they are vertical, not horizonal.

hbl, I think its too late in the season for immigrant workers.

Didnt someone say they saw 1 of the boys in the back yard? not 2 or 3, but only 1?

yes, it is late in the season, but many seasonal workers stay over-winter to trim, etc. For the ones that have left for the winter( transport boys??) that leaves many empty migrant housing that should be searched.

 

[joshiesmom]

If my boys were taken away from me by my husband, I am certain I would give at least one interview on the very first day, begging my husband to tell me where they were. I would plead & beg & try to appeal to him as a father, as a man who had, at one time, loved me. I would tell him that if he wanted to hurt me, he'd succeeded, but please, return OUR boys. If he had left me a message on FB saying he hoped I would forgive him, I would address that, saying something like, "I will forgive you, but first I have to know what I am forgiving you for. Tell me where our children are and we'll go from there."

I know people respond differently to tragic situations, but I am certain I would at least TRY to reach the person who knew where my children were, especially if it were my husband (or ex-husband, as in this case).

I understand why TS isn't saying anything NOW...now that it's been a week and JS has lawyered up & whatnot, but honestly, I do wonder why she hasn't driven to the jail and tried to talk to him. I would think that if anyone could reach him, it might be her.

I also agree with Cubby with regards to this quote that was on the previous page:

I've changed my mind and I really do think he meant to commit suicide and that he almost certainly killed the boys. Imo, I strongly believe his plan was to murder and hide the boys and then go home to commit suicide so his wife would find him and not find the boys. It would be the ultimate pain he could have caused her by taking the secret of their location with him.

Praying that JS is compelled to tell someone the truth very soon & that the boys are found.

 

[BringKyronHome]

Here is Giovanni's story, for anyone interested:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gonzalez_giovanni.html

It's sad he is without both his parents!

 

[cluciano63]

Why the so-called suicide attempt if he had not hurt his children? Did he fake an attempt after putting them into "hiding" to make it seem like he killed them? But then why ask God to forgive him? There are many conflicting things here, if one thinks they are alive. But what he did does go along with what someone might do if they were dead...

 

[impatientredhead]

If my boys were taken away from me by my husband, I am certain I would give at least one interview on the very first day, begging my husband to tell me where they were. I would plead & beg & try to appeal to him as a father, as a man who had, at one time, loved me. I would tell him that if he wanted to hurt me, he'd succeeded, but please, return OUR boys. If he had left me a message on FB saying he hoped I would forgive him, I would address that, saying something like, "I will forgive you, but first I have to know what I am forgiving you for. Tell me where our children are and we'll go from there."

I know people respond differently to tragic situations, but I am certain I would at least TRY to reach the person who knew where my children were, especially if it were my husband (or ex-husband, as in this case).

I understand why TS isn't saying anything NOW...now that it's been a week and JS has lawyered up & whatnot, but honestly, I do wonder why she hasn't driven to the jail and tried to talk to him. I would think that if anyone could reach him, it might be her.

I also agree with Cubby with regards to this quote that was on the previous page:

Praying that JS is compelled to tell someone the truth very soon & that the boys are found.

We don't know that she hasn't made those pleas to him directly. Nor do we know if he would be willing to talk to her if she tried.

 

[jashrema]

The calm silence surrounding the whole case has me puzzled.

I mean, virtually nothing said from the mother's side, no pleas, no interviews.
No interviews with the dad's lawyer, not even a "no comment".
No media scrutiny of the "friend" who took him to hospital, no name, no comments, no police info from any interview that may have happened.
No comment from the hospital, doctors, "leaks" or spokespersons.
No comments from previous co-workers or employers.
Very few comments from people who knew the boys.

It almost seems like no one wants to go on record with anything to do with this mystery.


Is it me or is it unusual

I totally agree with the above post...yes, we know now that the dad is more than likely guilty of God knows what, but when they first went missing..nobody even then had come forward. I find this very odd and it's like everyone is on lockdown concerning the facts. This leads me to believe that there is WAY more to this story than has been given to us so far. Hell, the person that took him to the hospital could have earned some money telling his story to the National Enquirer! But nothing. At this point in a case, all family members have talked, past and present employers, etc...

Also, I'm probably not going to be very popular BUT, I still insist her past should not be "in the past". If the situations were reversed, we..along with everyone else would be shouting from the rooftops that the mom had reason to take the kids away cuz dad was a SO...the double standard is in full swing in this case and I do not agree with it at all. People can pretty it up all they want, but at the end of the day she raped a 14 year old boy. She manipulated him (like all pedophiles do!) into having sex, and she was 33! She didn't "make a mistake", she wasn't "confused", she didn't "accidently fall on top of him"...she set out to manipulate thru CONTROL to have sex with him. It kind of makes me a little sick when people say what a "loving" mom she is cuz unless some new study came out that I'm not aware of, pedophiles don't know what real love is, particularly towards children. Then, JS marries a RSO,has 3 children by her.. so right there shows you that he's not exactly stable either. Ugh. Yes, her RSO status may have absolutely nothing to do with this case, but we don't KNOW that for sure, and this is a forum to discuss ALL aspects of the case. I am a Nurse, I have a Masters Degree, I have spoken extensively in schools and parents groups about child sexual abuse, and I am also the mother of a sexually assaulted child...somewhere, somehow, her past MAY be very relevant to this case
I know their is a fund set up to "help the family" and I would gladly donate if it was directly for the boys psychological help when found or God forbid, their funerals...but I will not give a DIME if it goes to mom. Can't do it. Nope.

Plus, it still gives me hope that the SO thing is the reason why he may have taken and hid them and that they are alive and well somewhere. I know it's probably not, and I'm probably incredibly stupid to still cling to this hope, but I still do cuz I would gladly sit in jail the rest of my life to protect my kid.

I in NO WAY condone JS if in fact, he did harm the boys nor do I condone the numerous laws broken if he is hiding them somewhere.. He would deserve to live in a cage the rest of his life if so.

 

[lishac23]

If the boys were in a safe place as he stated to his sister. Why would he risk the possible arrest of crime, there doesnt have to be a body to charge with a crime? Why get an attorney unless it is for the kidnapping over state lines case only?

If the boys are safe is he willing to possible be charged with a crime in regards to the kids?
Even if no charges come about is he willing to walk the streets and have people think he is a murderer? Would he ever be in contact with them again? How would they start over if with someone else, school records, social security numners? Would the children not call their mother or police at some point in the future?

Those kids are NOT anywhere safe. If they are by some remote chance then I will be thrilled but outcome doesnt look good per LE. They do not say that lightly.

I agree!!! In *most* cases of parental kidnapping the parent goes with them. The motive behind this is one parent not wanting to lose their children. They want custody/controll/revenge and will runaway WITH the kids.

 

[lisser]

Why the so-called suicide attempt if he had not hurt his children? Did he fake an attempt after putting them into "hiding" to make it seem like he killed them? But then why ask God to forgive him? There are many conflicting things here, if one thinks they are alive. But what he did does go along with what someone might do if they were dead...

I wonder he thought that the "suicide attempt" would only net him 72 hours under observation and then he'd be released?

I'm of two minds about his demeanor. He either knows they're alive and safe, and therefore is fine to keep quiet about everything, or he knows they're gone and wants to get away with it. I still can't wrap my head around a "loving" parent being able to discard their children without grief or remorse of any kind. Either he was faking his love, or he's faking his reaction now.

 

[Java]

Has anyone seen or read whether or not infrared was ever used in flyovers??
I never saw it, if not, I wonder why they didn’t use it?

Maybe because JS stalled them for a couple of days of cold weather initally?

 

[joshiesmom]

I totally agree with the above post...yes, we know now that the dad is more than likely guilty of God knows what, but when they first went missing..nobody even then had come forward. I find this very odd and it's like everyone is on lockdown concerning the facts. This leads me to believe that there is WAY more to this story than has been given to us so far. Hell, the person that took him to the hospital could have earned some money telling his story to the National Enquirer! But nothing. At this point in a case, all family members have talked, past and present employers, etc...

Also, I'm probably not going to be very popular BUT, I still insist her past should not be "in the past". If the situations were reversed, we..along with everyone else would be shouting from the rooftops that the mom had reason to take the kids away cuz dad was a SO...the double standard is in full swing in this case and I do not agree with it at all. People can pretty it up all they want, but at the end of the day she raped a 14 year old boy. She manipulated him (like all pedophiles do!) into having sex, and she was 33! She didn't "make a mistake", she wasn't "confused", she didn't "accidently fall on top of him"...she set out to manipulate thru CONTROL to have sex with him. It kind of makes me a little sick when people say what a "loving" mom she is cuz unless some new study came out that I'm not aware of, pedophiles don't know what real love is, particularly towards children. Then, JS marries a RSO,has 3 children by her.. so right there shows you that he's not exactly stable either. Ugh. Yes, her RSO status may have absolutely nothing to do with this case, but we don't KNOW that for sure, and this is a forum to discuss ALL aspects of the case. I am a Nurse, I have a Masters Degree, I have spoken extensively in schools and parents groups about child sexual abuse, and I am also the mother of a sexually assaulted child...somewhere, somehow, her past MAY be very relevant to this case
I know their is a fund set up to "help the family" and I would gladly donate if it was directly for the boys psychological help when found or God forbid, their funerals...but I will not give a DIME if it goes to mom. Can't do it. Nope.

Plus, it still gives me hope that the SO thing is the reason why he may have taken and hid them and that they are alive and well somewhere. I know it's probably not, and I'm probably incredibly stupid to still cling to this hope, but I still do cuz I would gladly sit in jail the rest of my life to protect my kid.

I in NO WAY condone JS if in fact, he did harm the boys nor do I condone the numerous laws broken if he is hiding them somewhere.. He would deserve to live in a cage the rest of his life if so.

Jashrema, I just want you to know you are not alone in your condemnation of what TS did. I agree that there is a huge double standard in society regarding female rapists and I agree that that is exactly what she did to that 14 year old boy. Furthermore, I agree it may have a relevancy to this case that should not be dismissed.

If the boys have been harmed, then whoever hurt them should rot in prison. But the mom's RSO status shouldn't be dismissed as being "in the past". If people think a male sex offender can never be rehabilitated and should stay in prison forever, then that same standard should apply to female sex offenders.

 

[MomofBoys]

Combo of what is happening in the news at the time, how unusual it is for the area (Kyron is from a pretty low crime area overall, at least perception wise), and an undefined quality to the characters involved.

Haleigh's case probably wouldn't have got the coverage it did if it didn't follow the Casey Anthony case where there was already so much nationwide press sitting around waiting for something to happen.

I think a lot has to do with what the press is covering at the time.

Maybe she means the attention on this and other sites? It seems a bit disproportionate compared to the media coverage, which is out there.

I returned from a vacation last night and was surprised to see that this case only had three threads. Maybe everyone has been on vacation, but it seems like Kyron's thread(s) were cranking by this time.

I pray for and value all these children the same, but in many ways this case is more similar to the Caylee case (very gripping due to the circumstances) than anything else we've seen. The villian isn't as compelling, perhaps. A father (maybe that's part of it; cases with a female suspect sometimes get more attention) who might have family annihilation syndrome--not really unheard of in the last few years. The biggest mystery to me is if this guy is truly mentally ill or if his suicide attempt was the coward's way out. I've believed these poor children have gone to be with the angels since I read the FB posting. As cliche as it sounds by now, I wish we could use more intense interrogation techniques in these cases where there is even a remote possibility that there might be children out there in dire need of imedical attention. I was in Michigan last week. The day these kids went missing it was 21 degrees.

Three little boys out there. This should pretty much trump any case out there in terms of scrutiny. Just like female suspects, sometimes I truly believe that female victims get more attention. Maybe the same perceived vulnerability that makes them so attractive to the media (not saying that it's wrong, just trying to make sense of it) is what makes the female suspects such a target of fascination. Vulnerability gone bad. Meanwhile, boys are seen as tougher, which can work for and against them.

 

[cluciano63]

OT, but I don't think Kyron would be getting as much national attention as he does if not for some of the circumstances surrounding the case being somewhat salacious...the sexting, the divorce, the possible murder for hire plot, the red-headed stepmother, etc. the media knows what it takes to get the public's attention...

 

[passionflower]

Maybe if the bill was given to the JS and his family for this search,
would get someone talking fast! If they are holding them in a 'safe' place.
and if they are allowing a hoax of any kind I hope they are all arrested. JMOO

Why was the Police Chief out at the Skelton house when Andrew said he wanted to be a cop too??? Poor little one.

 

[zoebella]

I know their is a fund set up to "help the family" and I would gladly donate if it was directly for the boys psychological help when found or God forbid, their funerals...but I will not give a DIME if it goes to mom. Can't do it. Nope

Respectfully, I feel opposite here. It is good we all have our own opinions and are able to share them. While I do not condone what TS did 12 years ago, I would be fine with giving to a fund for her. Whether it was to help her with funerals as you stated or if, God willing, those babies are returned to her, to help her and those boys have a little money to start new.

If he did hide them, she's going to need a lawyer to help her through all of this (I imagine there would be the divorce, not to mention helping her navigate JS criminal trial and then whatever custody hearings happen). She'll need money for all of that.

I could also imagine that if the boys do return, having a fund for mom might allow her to stay at home with them for a while without having to return to work. If those boys are in a loving, stable home (which, listening to the police chief talk, it sounds like they were besides mom and dad's separation) what better than to have the parent there with them to help them recover?

If they are gone, I would like to think maybe some donations could help TS with therapy bills and honestly, regular bills. She may be so grief-stricken she is unable to work for a bit. God, I cannot imagine what she would be going through. I hope she has friends and family to lean on.

I can't condemn TS. I have no idea what she has done in the 12 years since she got her RSO status. Maybe she had intensive therapy, is working on her underlying issues. Maybe she is working with her clergy to help her with the spiritual side of things. Who knows. I can't imagine that she hasn't gotten some sort of help, probably court-mandated as a part of her sentencing.

Count me in as someone who doubts her RSO status has anything to do with this. I just don't see it. I think this is all about JS and his desire to deliver a swift and crushing blow to TS the best way he knows how - by taking her children away from her. And making it a million times worse by forcing her to NOT know whether they are even alive or not.

Here's my final thought on the mom. She's probably blaming herself over and over as it is. I'm not going to throw blame at her on top of that. I'm going to pray for her and hope this resolves soon.

All of this is JMHO, of course.

 

[lishac23]

I totally agree with the above post...yes, we know now that the dad is more than likely guilty of God knows what, but when they first went missing..nobody even then had come forward. I find this very odd and it's like everyone is on lockdown concerning the facts. This leads me to believe that there is WAY more to this story than has been given to us so far. Hell, the person that took him to the hospital could have earned some money telling his story to the National Enquirer! But nothing. At this point in a case, all family members have talked, past and present employers, etc...

Also, I'm probably not going to be very popular BUT, I still insist her past should not be "in the past". If the situations were reversed, we..along with everyone else would be shouting from the rooftops that the mom had reason to take the kids away cuz dad was a SO...the double standard is in full swing in this case and I do not agree with it at all. People can pretty it up all they want, but at the end of the day she raped a 14 year old boy. She manipulated him (like all pedophiles do!) into having sex, and she was 33! She didn't "make a mistake", she wasn't "confused", she didn't "accidently fall on top of him"...she set out to manipulate thru CONTROL to have sex with him. It kind of makes me a little sick when people say what a "loving" mom she is cuz unless some new study came out that I'm not aware of, pedophiles don't know what real love is, particularly towards children. Then, JS marries a RSO,has 3 children by her.. so right there shows you that he's not exactly stable either. Ugh. Yes, her RSO status may have absolutely nothing to do with this case, but we don't KNOW that for sure, and this is a forum to discuss ALL aspects of the case. I am a Nurse, I have a Masters Degree, I have spoken extensively in schools and parents groups about child sexual abuse, and I am also the mother of a sexually assaulted child...somewhere, somehow, her past MAY be very relevant to this case
I know their is a fund set up to "help the family" and I would gladly donate if it was directly for the boys psychological help when found or God forbid, their funerals...but I will not give a DIME if it goes to mom. Can't do it. Nope. Plus, it still gives me hope that the SO thing is the reason why he may have taken and hid them and that they are alive and well somewhere. I know it's probably not, and I'm probably incredibly stupid to still cling to this hope, but I still do cuz I would gladly sit in jail the rest of my life to protect my kid.

I in NO WAY condone JS if in fact, he did harm the boys nor do I condone the numerous laws broken if he is hiding them somewhere.. He would deserve to live in a cage the rest of his life if so.

Respectfully BBM....and I completely respect your feelings and opinions in regard to this. I do a lot of volunteer work in regard to child abuse and have seen horrendous cases committed by mothers, fathers, other relatives, trusted family friends, etc.... and in no way do I condone, excuse, or make light of any situation where a child has been victimized. And I completely sympathize with you and your child as I know the extensive care and help that is needed for these victims.

I just wanted to add, that I have also been unfortunate to have witnessed a mother find out that her child has been murdered. It is by far the most excrutiating internal pain that I have ever seen. It is as thick as tension in the air and it fills the room to where not one person can escape feeling some of her pain. That is the place I am at when I say that I feel for her and the pain she is going through.

I definitely don't give her a ribbon as a person nor do I think her past should just be swept under the rug. But I don't think he would have asked her forgiveness, had he done this for their protection. Although our legal system is jaded..there are options out there. If he had ran away with them...he could have stayed at my house, I would have gladly took them in, along with millions of other people if it was based on the thought that she was harming them or would harm them.

 

[LaWanda]

Little Baby Gabriel is another of these cases. Why don't these people spit it out? Let LE find the kids and take your medicine. Some people are so selfish!!

 

[impatientredhead]

I absolutely don't mean to give her a pass on her previous behavior.
I don't see how it was related to this given situation though.
So while I wouldn't let her spend time with my teen age son, or recommend her to be a teachers aide, I don't think it makes her losing her entire family in one swipe any less painful or anymore deserved.

There are times I find the RSO status completely relevant to the case and I don't care the gender, the circumstances, the time lapsed.

I wouldn't befriend her, I wouldn't donate to her, but I don't think she is responsible for this situation. In fact more so than any of the other cases like this there seems to be very little in the way of warning signs. No restraining orders, no domestic violence, no one saying he was an abusive lunatic, they had a family out days before, it just seems like a wild blindsiding.

 

[cluciano63]

I think not disclosing the location of the body is the last bit of power these people have...

 

[raysgirl1126]

"PIONEER, Ohio — Divers were using sonar equipment Thursday afternoon at multiple bodies of water across Williams County to search for three missing brothers.

Scuba teams from Toledo, Angola, Ind., as well as from Lenawee and Williams counties, hoped to search in at least seven major bodies of water throughout the day, including possible searches at Nettle Lake and Mud Lake in the northwestern corner of the county.

Dennis Wisniewski, the head of the scuba team from Williams County, described the efforts as a "shot in the dark," saying investigators don't have direct information the Skelton brothers would be found in the area.

But he also said investigators believe their father John Skelton's cell phone was used in the area last week. In addition, several witnesses have come forward saying they saw Mr. Skelton's van exit from the nearby Ohio Turnpike."

http://toledoblade.com/article/20101202/NEWS16/101209951/0/ART12

 

[impatientredhead]

Little Baby Gabriel is another of these cases. Why don't these people spit it out? Let LE find the kids and take your medicine. Some people are so selfish!!

I think it is 10% finding the bodies will only help convict him, but he has to see that happening anyway.

I think is 90% not giving her closure.
He may go to his grave with this info.
Or wait and leverage it for a deal.

Depends on how much he hates her.