MI - Updates On Stanley Case-2008

  • #161
Today, I looked at a letter that contained the following: "I will be glad when this nightmare is over. I'm still in a state of shock over everything . Still can't believe I'm in here for something I didn't do." "....In the court at my trial when I walk out I will know in my heart I never did anything wrong to that girl or her family."

I certainly hope that this case is handled justly. These comments do not sound to me like they came from someone who was guilty.
 
  • #162
Today, I looked at a letter that contained the following: "I will be glad when this nightmare is over. I'm still in a state of shock over everything . Still can't believe I'm in here for something I didn't do." "....In the court at my trial when I walk out I will know in my heart I never did anything wrong to that girl or her family."

I certainly hope that this case is handled justly. These comments do not sound to me like they came from someone who was guilty.

bumblebug - I can't remember a letter. I've fallen a bit behind in this thread, so may have missed it. Has it been posted here?
 
  • #163
Miss vegemite
The letter is just a few days old. It is a personal letter and is not part of the case. Nonetheless it certainly demonstrates that he has not changed his story. I also understand that at his own request he is isolated and not in the jails general population.
I guess he wants to make sure that nothing that could happen in jail is going to occur. Sounds smart to me. I know the jail has to sometimes have more that one visitation session when they think there might be a confrontation in the inmates area of the visitation section.
Hope that explains things a bit.
 
  • #164
Miss vegemite
The letter is just a few days old. It is a personal letter and is not part of the case. Nonetheless it certainly demonstrates that he has not changed his story. I also understand that at his own request he is isolated and not in the jails general population.
I guess he wants to make sure that nothing that could happen in jail is going to occur. Sounds smart to me. I know the jail has to sometimes have more that one visitation session when they think there might be a confrontation in the inmates area of the visitation section.
Hope that explains things a bit.
Thanks for explaining that bumblebug. Do you have any idea what Jame's thoughts are on Erin dying? He must have his own theory.
 
  • #165
I don't think it advisable to try to explain someone thoughts on who killed Erin. As I understand it there were four people in the house (James, Erin, Lonny, and Dale). Additionally, there was one other person who had a key to the house and that of course would have been Kelly.(Erin's younger sister). We also know that one door had a bad lock but to get to that door one would have to have already entered through one of two other doors that apparently did not have bad locks. That does not mean that someone could not have entered one of those doors earlier and waited until later to enter the house. We also know that everyone in the house said that there had been no threats of any kind nor violence in the house that evening. Also we know that neither Dale nor Lonnie Stanley said anything suggesting James had any responsibility for Erin's death during his bond hearing. We also know that James was given the Baby (Alexis) to take of when Lonny and Dale went to the hospital to check on ?Erin. The bottom line is that the only possibilities as far as suspects goes appear to be (1) an intruder, (2) Dale, (3) Lonnie (4) James or (5) Kelly had she decided to return to the house for sonme reason. We know that Dale and Lonnie were observed drinking the night before Erin's death at the Brown Jug tavern and we know that Dale was described as being angry that James returned with Erin and the baby (Alexis) earlier in the day. We know that Mrs Stanley was sleeping down the hall in another room and Dale said he was sleeping directly across from James and Erin's bedroom door. We know that James woke up at 5:15 or so and he said that when he tried to get Erin up because of the baby crying he notice that the bed sheet was wet and that Erin was having difficulty breathing. Lastly we know that James had already found a new job and was scheduled to begin that job the following evening across the border in Ohio. The only thing I can say is that James said he did not kill Erin and I believe he has stuck by that statement from the very beginning. As I understand it James was the prime suspect from the very beginning and little effort during the investigation was directed at any other potential suspects. The evidence regarding James questioning and the questioning of others clearly demonstrates that law enforcement was not particularly interested in developing alternate theories as to what might have taken place that evening. I believe this is what happens when a small police force of around five officers finds itself in over it head and is too close the victims. I think the cause of deaths of both Erin and Kelly need to be fully reexamined as well as the family's medical history which the Coroner mentioned when he announced Kelly's cause of death determination. Please keep posting as I plan on taking my laptop to the hospital so I can keep current on this case.
 
  • #166
Bumblebug,

The sheets being wet, is why I thought she may have had a seizure. Were there signs of stagulation? I think I read somewhere that there were but not sure.
 
  • #167
As I understand it here is what was testified to at the bond hearing. The Stanley's (one or both of them) asked James to take the bottom bed sheet off the bed an poace it in a trash bag that was then taken to the trash (I do not know for sure whether or not the trash was taken to a trash can inside a garage or outside). The police asked for the bottom bed sheet a few days later and then took it to the police evidence locker in Centerville. The Lead Investigator said he did not send the sheet out for testing for DNA, fibers, hair etc. that might reveal if anyone else had been in the bedroom or exposed in someway to Erin. When ask if had plans to send the sheet out for testing, the Lead investigator indicated that he had none. I do believe that the defense either has addressed the issue or plans to address the issue. I suspect the investigator thought the wetness was from urine which is often found in and around a body after death. For the record, the top sheet and blanket are missing and I don't recall anyone saying James was in the house after the Stanley's asked him (James) to collect the bottom bed sheet and place it in the trash bag. One of the Stanleys (I believe it was Mrs Stanley said the mattress was taken to the local dump about one month after Erin's death. Take Care and again thanks for our prayers and concerns.
I will keep posting as long as I can.
 
  • #168
My brother has seizures when he is asleep. When he has one, he wets the bed. I guess that's why I was thinking she may have had a seizure. I hope you get well soon, Bumblebug.
 
  • #169
what if both girls came into contact with something they were allergic to? Would/could the coroner have checked for signs of anyphlactic(?) distress?
 
  • #170
Comfort80 See my post 167 above regarding the autopsy. There is a new story in today's Pal-Item newspaper (Richmond, Indiana). It says the defense wants the state to pay for bringing the pathologist back for a deposition on the autopsy. Since so much of the usual evidence was not collected, that certainly sounds like a fair request. I see also there have been two or three comments posted which kind of tell you how the locals view their police departments. I suspect even those who don't want to use governmental funds for anything will agree that the defendant is entitled to get a deposition from the pathologist who forgot to take fingernail scrapings, run a sexual assault kit or comb the body for DNA evidence. He, the lead investigator and Coroner apparently also forgot the track down the clothes she was wearing that night since I recall it being testified to that she arrived at the autopsy without her clothes. The closeness of the players in this case reminds me of some places in the world where family trees don't seem to have any forks.
 
  • #171
My prayers for James I honestly don't think he is guilty he is showing too many signs of innocence.
I hope when and if he is aquitted in Erin's death he can have a relationship with Alexis his daughter.
Bumblebug take care of yourself and don't stress yourself out in the hospital trying to follow this case.
I asked God to watch over James and to let the courts do the right thing towards him. Alexis depends on it.
 
  • #172
McDraw -- I understand seizures pretty well myself and I know sometimes what you described happens. Since the cause of death for Kelly was also seizures you may have something, In my opinion, I find all the medical information suspect because I have a hard time thinking both a coroner and a pathologist would not run a sexual assault kit, comb the body for DNA evidence like hair, fibers etc. or take scrapings from under the fingernails of a 19 year old female that had died under unusual circumstances. I also think someone needs to explain the medical history of the family that led the coroner to say that the family medical history influenced his decision to say the Kelly died of seizures. I think it was stress related seizures but I don't have the paperwork in front of me so am not sure.
 
  • #173
Bumblebug,

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  • #174
Bumblebug, I am not sure why they wouldn't have investigated better. I also know it would be a huge coinincedence for both sisters to have died from a seizure. Especially that close together. Do you know if they tested for some kinds of drug that would bring on seizures? This case bothers me because I am afraid James is innocent. I'm worried he was arrested because he was convenent and they wanted to close their case. I'm sorry about the post above, I'm really not sure what happened there.
 
  • #175
McDraw

I don't know why the case wasn't investigated better. I hope it was simply a case of a small police force getting in over their heads and not knowing how to investigate this type of crime. It was testified at the bond hearing that the police force had no policies or procedures that covered this type of investigation. It is also clear that they were unaware of standard investigative techniques and practices used when a young woman is found dead under unusual circumstances.(e.g no sexual assault kit, no scraping of fingernails, no combing of the body for DNA type evidence (hair, fibers, etc)) I am however equally concerned with many other aspects of the case. Why was there such uneven treatment of potential suspect. The evidence suggest that James was really the only real suspect. The Lead Investigator in the bond hearing said that he never considered the possibility that Erin died outside of the bedroom. He said that he arrested James because it was just common sense to do so. He also said that the only evidence seized was the bottom bed sheet but noted that it was picked up a few days later and was found in a trash bag. James had been asked by the Stanleys to take the wet sheet off the bed and place it in the trash bag. He took the bed sheet to the evidence locker at the Centerville Police Department. The Lead Investigator also said he had no plans to send the bed sheet out for forensic investigation. Today in the Pal-Item (Richmond's Newpaper) it was reported that the defense is asking for funds to bring back the pathologist for a deposition. I guess he has sinced moved out of the area. This has been a very unusual case from the very beginning. My biggest fear is that someone who could be innocent has been denied evidence that is normally collected in these types of investigations....evidence that could clear the defendant. As it stands now the defendant will have served over one year before the case even goes to trial. In my opinion, every day that goes by in this case, makes the defendant look less guilty.
 
  • #176
bumblebug - Is the court case now in October? I think I read that here somewhere. Seems a long time to wait, although looking at most cases these days it seems to be the way unfortunately.

The facts to this case are very limited, which makes me hestitant to make a judgement. But I will say I certainly do not like how long they are taking to get this heard. If James is innocent, then this is not only unfair for him but also Erin's family.

But I just can't help to keep thinking that Erin was strangled. That is a fact, right? James was in bed with her. It does Not make sense that either her mother or father slipt into the bedroom and did this with James sleeping quietly next to her. Nor a stranger.

The father being across the room and not hearing anything. Well that is not a surprise to me either. Is there a lot of noise being stranged? Also I consider the amount of alcohol the father apparently drank, and imagine he was probably in a drunk slumber. Same with mother. Possibly flaked out on the couch.

You have also mentioned there was no conflict in the house that the parents mentioned. Well, they were out drinking earlier that evening. We don't know what happened between James and Erin while they were out. They may have been fighting.

But I do agree with you that the Police have done a crappy job with evidence etc.. an innocent man may pay for this, or a guilty man may get away with this..
 
  • #177
I believe the court date is set for Oct 13th. Jury Selection I think is set for June 11th. I think what may be the key to this investigation is something that was said by the Lead Investigator. He said that he never considered that Erin might have been killed outside the bedroom. I think there are, in fact, several different scenarios that could account for Erin's death that do not include James, especially if we consider possibilities that involve accidents, the family medical history or errors in conclusions drawn from the autopsy. I suspect one of the reasons the defense is requesting the testing of the bottom bed sheet is to document whether or not James and Erin had sex that night. That certainly might change the minds of those who might think they had had an argument or some other confrontation that evening. We do know from testimony in the bond hearing that there are statements that say that Erin's parents were very angry that night that James had returned with Erin from Columbus, Ohio. I still have difficulty finding a motive that would encourage James to strangle Erin in front of their daughter. That would be hard. Additionally, Erin's parents testified that there were no threats or violence demonstrated that evening. In that regard, since the comments were made under oath, I take them at their word. I do think there is lot more to learn in this case but for now it would be wrong for me to flame the fire further. Nonetheless, I feel confident that there is evidence out there that is known but has not been released to the press. Although I do know principle parties in this case, I will nonetheless try hard to keep my postings as objective as possible. I want most of all for everyone to be treated fairly and justice to prevail.
 
  • #178
That is the problem that I see, there are just too many other possibilities. Even if it's a small town, with a small police force, with very little or no violent crime, it seems to me that the police should know how to collect basic things. If not, they should have asked the state police for help. The fact that they didn't worries me. If James is innocent, I want there to be no doubt. He doesn't deserve to live under the cloud of suspicion for the rest of his life. On the other hand, if he is guilty, I wouldn't want him to get away with it.
 
  • #179
McDraw
Thanks for your comments and I agree. If he is innocent and there is insufficient evidence to put him away then do the right thing and let him go. If he is guilty, I think important to charge him with the right crime. Without forensics and without an eye witness I suspect he should have been charged with something else from the beginning. Additionally, I am not at all convinced that the public is buying the notion that Kelly's death was unrelated to Erin's. Why hasn't that aspect of things been more thoroughly explained. What about the family medical history and what was meant early in the investigation when it was said that both girls appeared to have died under similar circumstances. How do we get from that statement to she (Kelly) died from a seizure (stress induced or not). I sincerely want justice for everyone here that deserves it. If a local person could keep us informed about the jury selection...I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Again for the best wishes.
 
  • #180
For those who have not been following the posting on the Pal-Item web page I think it is interesting that the defense is asking the state to pay expenses for the autopsy pathologist to return to Richmond to be deposed.
It will be interesting to see if they get the funds. As badly as this case was handled by the Centerville Police Department, I suspect it is only right thing to do. I suspect I would start of the deposition with.."Why did you not not think is advisable to take scrapings from under Erin's fingernails, run a sexual assault kit or comb the body for DNA evidence like hairs, fibers, semen etc. after you determined Erin had died under unusual circumstances. The second question of course would be did anyone ask you not to do those things. Every time I think about this case I keep asking myself why didn't the police test the bottom bed sheet. It sounds like it was the only real forensic type evidence they had. It seems so obvious that the bed sheet could potentially rule James out or even identify the culprit if James was not responsible for Erin's death. I don't know how any police department (even a very small one) can make that kind of a mistake. Perhaps they were afraid that if they tested the bed sheet they would have to explain how they let the bed sheet stay in the trash bag that remained at the residence after James took it off the bed at the family's request. If anyone out there has any ideas or suggestions I am willing to listen. Take Care and thanks again for the best wishes.
 

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