Found Deceased MI - Venus Stewart, 32, Colon, 28 April 2010 - # 5 *D. Stewart guilty*

[spamelope]

I am really sad that in 10 years, when this girl googles herself, these words will still be there for her and her classmates to see. These allegations were said to be unfounded, or not provable, but now this is going to be linked to her forever. SHE did not deserve this lack of privacy. It is unconscionable that this was given to the press. It's disgusting.
Sorry, all, but this really bothers me.

 

[PickieChickie]

I am really sad that in 10 years, when this girl googles herself, these words will still be there for her and her classmates to see. These allegations were said to be unfounded, or not provable, but now this is going to be linked to her forever. SHE did not deserve this lack of privacy. It is unconscionable that this was given to the press. It's disgusting.
Sorry, all, but this really bothers me.

You are absolutely right. The thought never crossed my mind about the child growing up and possibly reading about these allegations/notes on the Internet.

I have to wonder why the father took them to the press rather than to the police! (Isn't that what happened?)

In his rush to crucify Doug, he threw his precious granddaughter to the wolves.

 

[believe09]

Seeing as how we are repressed Americans, lol, I can see people taking issue. But I have to tell you that I would not assume my daughter had been molested if she could talk about a penis. It would warrant a few questions from me for sure, but I do not know that I would see it as a red flag.

 

[trigger]

I am really sad that in 10 years, when this girl googles herself, these words will still be there for her and her classmates to see. These allegations were said to be unfounded, or not provable, but now this is going to be linked to her forever. SHE did not deserve this lack of privacy. It is unconscionable that this was given to the press. It's disgusting.
Sorry, all, but this really bothers me.

ITA spamelope, it is disgusting. Makes me so angry.

Are there any more plans to search for her? TIA

 

[spamelope]

You are absolutely right. The thought never crossed my mind about the child growing up and possibly reading about these allegations/notes on the Internet.

I have to wonder why the father took them to the press rather than to the police! (Isn't that what happened?)

In his rush to crucify Doug, he threw his precious granddaughter to the wolves.

The notes/allegations had already been turned in by Venus either to the police or social services, or both. They were said to be unproven. LM has no good reason turning them over to the press. Revenge doesn't count. It makes me all the more curious about the allegations made against LM and his motives for casting dispersions on DS from day 1. I don't know how anyone, ANYONE, could do that to a sweet, innocent little girl.

 

[spamelope]

Hi trigger! I know that LE plans on searching that lake where the non-poi was at once the water level goes down. I don't know of any legitimate searches that are sanctioned by LE going on. They are being very, very quiet.
Where is TES? All LE or the family has to do is ask for them to come. Does anyone know how Tim's wife is?

 

[thinkaboutthis]

What proof is there of Venus having been abusive toward Doug in the past two years? Just wondering. I haven't even seen any indication, let alone proof. No statements from anyone anywhere. Nothing. Not for two years. Not even one of those mean-nothing, hearsay-based, one-sided protective orders from Doug against Venus.

(FROM PUF'S TIMELINE)
November 2008 - Venus is charged with domestic violence, but several months later pleads no contest to disturbing the peace.

If Puf's timeline is accurate, and I'm confident it is, VS was charged with DV only about a year and half ago and the charges were plead down several months later...either way, well INSIDE of your two years. Interestingly, DS more than likely would have had to agree with or even request that the court reduce her DV charge down to the lesser charge.

I never said that a protective order means nothing, I said it is not evidence of abuse, because it is possible to get a PPO against someone who has literally done nothing to you if you present a compelling enough story to the judge who is deciding on the application. PPO is a one-sided process isn't it? How many of the people on the other side of the PPO come in and assist the "victim" with getting the PPO approved against them? Like none? So I'd say it's pretty one-sided.

 

[Cubby]

FWIW, 10 years from now this thread might be tucked away in the archives or buried in so many online hits it may be hard to find.

JMO

 

[PickieChickie]

Seeing as how we are repressed Americans, lol, I can see people taking issue. But I have to tell you that I would not assume my daughter had been molested if she could talk about a penis. It would warrant a few questions from me for sure, but I do not know that I would see it as a red flag.

Any man who lives in the household with a little girl who doesn't lock the bathroom or bedroom door so she can't walk in and see his penis is not being the gentleman and responsible adult I would want around my little daughter.

Granted, people are raised differently to the point some adults walk around the house naked in front of their children and take them to nude beaches and nudest colonies.

I, myself, would never have a relationship with a man who would be careless enough to allow my little daughter to see his penis! That is just how I am. I never saw a man's penis until I was an appropriate age and in an appropriate situation.

Given that, if my daughter asked me what that thing hanging between my boyfriend's legs was, I would immediately ask her when and where she saw it.

By red flag, I meant something that would immediately get my attention and prompt me to immediately get to the bottom of the matter, not simply avoid discussing it because I didn't want to go there.

 

[pufnstuf]

I think that something needs to be clarified. WARNING--the FOLLOWING IS GRAPHIC:

The note is nearly impossible to read, and I was only able to read it after screencapping the part I could read, putting it into photoshop, turning it into a greyscale image, and then adjusting the brightness contrast to make the ink stand out. Also, the screencapped image--the right margin was off of the page, so where it says "hard and little _____" the words after little are missing on the right margin.

The child could have said that it was "hard and little bumps were on it." We don't know, because that part of the sentence ran of the page. Where the words ran off the page, I placed underscores and ellipses.

 

[spamelope]

FWIW, 10 years from now this thread might be tucked away in the archives or buried in so many online hits it may be hard to find.

JMO

Oh,Cubby, I'm not blaming WS for this. No offense to Puf, but anyone could have transcribed this, and probably has. I just mean that now it's out there, kinda hard to get the details back in the bag. I'm sure it's on other sites, I don't know, I haven't looked and won't look. Heck, maybe the little girl would look at the notes on the pictures of the news and could have done it herself. I'm disturbed that this was made public in the first place. There is no reason for it. Please know that my distress isn't because it's on here, per se. Your family is supposed to protect you, not make sordid tales available for the public to slather over. This child was failed miserably by the adults in her life.

 

[crystalgenie]

FWIW, 10 years from now this thread might be tucked away in the archives or buried in so many online hits it may be hard to find.

JMO

You are right until the poor child goes and googles her mother and fasther or one of her friends googles them. If the statements on sexual abuse are true then at least she will know her mother was trying to fight for her but if they aren't and they were just part of a bitter divorce... That will be devastating and a lot of anger will be directed towards the party that released all of this to the media. :shakehead:

 

[BeanE]

(FROM PUF'S TIMELINE)
November 2008 - Venus is charged with domestic violence, but several months later pleads no contest to disturbing the peace.

If Puf's timeline is accurate, and I'm confident it is, VS was charged with DV only about a year and half ago and the charges were plead down several months later...either way, well INSIDE of your two years. Interestingly, DS more than likely would have had to agree with or even request that the court reduce her DV charge down to the lesser charge.

I never said that a protective order means nothing, I said it is not evidence of abuse, because it is possible to get a PPO against someone who has literally done nothing to you if you present a compelling enough story to the judge who is deciding on the application. PPO is a one-sided process isn't it? How many of the people on the other side of the PPO come in and assist the "victim" with getting the PPO approved against them? Like none? So I'd say it's pretty one-sided.

I'm fine with a year and a half (even if it does take longer to type lol). What proof is there of Venus having been abusive toward Doug in the past year and a half?

The accused in our system of justice have full rein to represent themselves or be represented to defend themselves. There's nothing one-sided about that. Both sides can speak. Both sides can present testimony and evidence and witnesses.

One-sided to me would be the accused marched off to the gallows or firing squad with no opportunity to defend themselves.

(And just for the record, I've certainly never contended that a PPO is *proof* of abuse - to me, it is an *indication* that there has been abuse.)

 

[trigger]

Hi trigger! I know that LE plans on searching that lake where the non-poi was at once the water level goes down. I don't know of any legitimate searches that are sanctioned by LE going on. They are being very, very quiet.
Where is TES? All LE or the family has to do is ask for them to come. Does anyone know how Tim's wife is?

Hi Spamelope :wave: Thats right I forgot about the lake. I wish we had some news.

Im getting dinner ready...BBL

Oh I'll be here all night....No work for few days...:bananapartyhat:

 

[spamelope]

I think that something needs to be clarified. WARNING--the FOLLOWING IS GRAPHIC:

The note is nearly impossible to read, and I was only able to read it after screencapping the part I could read, putting it into photoshop, turning it into a greyscale image, and then adjusting the brightness contrast to make the ink stand out. Also, the screencapped image--the right margin was off of the page, so where it says "hard and little _____" the words after little are missing on the right margin.

The child could have said that it was "hard and little bumps were on it." We don't know, because that part of the sentence ran of the page. Where the words ran off the page, I placed underscores and ellipses.

Then everyone would just be saying that he has genital herpes, now too. No offense, Puf. It's not the gory details that bother me so much, as it is an invasion of this child's privacy for those documents to have been handed over to the press. Can you imagine what's being said around those girls even now? I know it slipped that they've seen the news about this case. I hope they are appointed a GAL soon. This is terrible for them.

 

[pufnstuf]

Another point.

There were pages and pages of handwritten notes that were on the video, but the notes were stacked and you could only see the top page.

We don't know what Venus did after her daughter told her this. We don't know if her daughter is indeed in counseling.

We do know, according to Venus, that she was told about the molestation on 2/22/10. There are only six more days in February. Sometime between 2/22/10 and 2/28/10, Venus left NN and arrived in Colon and filed for and received an order of protection from the court.

She did all that in six days (at the most). In my opinion, that means that she took her daughter seriously.

We don't know if her daughter was placed in counseling. We don't know what Venus did for her daughter after that conversation in the car at school drop-off. All we know is that her daughter told her about the alleged molestation, and Venus, sometime within six days, took her children to Colon, filed for a protective order, and pursued charges of molestation against her husband.

Whatever else she did to help her child through the alleged ordeal, we don't know and it's reckless to guess.

 

[pufnstuf]

Then everyone would just be saying that he has genital herpes, now too. No offense, Puf. It's not the gory details that bother me so much, as it is an invasion of this child's privacy for those documents to have been handed over to the press. Can you imagine what's being said around those girls even now? I know it slipped that they've seen the news about this case. I hope they are appointed a GAL soon. This is terrible for them.

I would guess that the children have already been appointed a GAL, especially with the custodial parent missing and considering the potential for the only person of interest to attempt to gain custody.

There is a record in the courts of the alleged molestation. Additionally, the news reports also stated from early on in this case that the reason Venus left NN is because she believed that her daughter had been molested. So it was out there before her father handed over the documents.

I feel awful for the children--they will know all of this in the future, all the allegations about their parents fighting in the front yard, about multiple divorce filings, everything.

Most of all, they know that their mother is missing and their father is the only person of interest in her disappearance. That has to rip their hearts out right now. These children no longer have a mother. It's sad any way you look at it.

 

[spamelope]

On the other hand, for all we know, DS felt their reconciliation wasn't working out and he asked her to leave. I just don't think we know what happened, and there are two sides to every story.

There is a record in the courts of the alleged molestation. Additionally, the news reports also stated from early on in this case that the reason Venus left NN is because she believed that her daughter had been molested. So it was out there before her father handed over the documents.

But that info most likely came from the same source as the notes. Unfounded family court records are most like sealed to protect the right to privacy that the children should have.

 

[PickieChickie]

Another point.

There were pages and pages of handwritten notes that were on the video, but the notes were stacked and you could only see the top page.

We don't know what Venus did after her daughter told her this. We don't know if her daughter is indeed in counseling.

We do know, according to Venus, that she was told about the molestation on 2/22/10. There are only six more days in February. Sometime between 2/22/10 and 2/28/10, Venus left NN and arrived in Colon and filed for and received an order of protection from the court.

She did all that in six days (at the most). In my opinion, that means that she took her daughter seriously.

We don't know if her daughter was placed in counseling. We don't know what Venus did for her daughter after that conversation in the car at school drop-off. All we know is that her daughter told her about the alleged molestation, and Venus, sometime within six days, took her children to Colon, filed for a protective order, and pursued charges of molestation against her husband.

Whatever else she did to help her child through the alleged ordeal, we don't know and it's reckless to guess.

Thank you for clarifying the dates as to when the allegation by the child was made and the course of action Venus took. That really makes a lot of difference and I feel foolish for making some of the comments I have made.

Clearly, Venus took her daughter seriously and took the appropriate steps to make certain no further incidents would occur and I applaud her for that.

 

[pufnstuf]

On the other hand, for all we know, DS felt their reconciliation wasn't working out and he asked her to leave. I just don't think we know what happened, and there are two sides to every story.

Definitely possible.

Doug filed for divorce for the third time on 3/30/10, if I remember the exact date correctly... the end of March anyway.

I do not know if Venus had filed in Michigan by that time.

The family were only in Virginia for six months before Venus came home, if I added up the dates correctly...so I guess that Michigan would still be considered the state with judicial authority over the divorce case. Don't know for sure.