Found Deceased MI - Venus Stewart, 32, Colon, 28 April 2010 - # 8 *D. Stewart guilty*

[Kimberlyd125]

Well it does matter if his alibi places him somewhere else and they can't crack it.

It's already cracked!

 

[pufnstuf]

Well it does matter if his alibi places him somewhere else and they can't crack it.

Ten to Six, he would be on the road toward Ohio.

 

[pufnstuf]

Well it does matter if his alibi places him somewhere else and they can't crack it.

Why does it matter where he was from 10AM to 6PM on Sunday, April 25?

 

[Calliope]

Why does it matter where he was from 10AM to 6PM on Sunday, April 25?

The approximate time frame he'd be traveling from NN to Ohio.

 

[Calliope]

It's already cracked!

Well, my point was LE is talking about what specifically the imposter did on Monday. Paying bills, withdrawing funds, etc. That they have him on video, and know it's not Doug. They need to crack his alibi for Sunday... they were asking for help regarding FauxDoug for the 25th and 26th. They need proof of someone impersonating him in NN area on the 25th, from roughly 10 am to 6 pm.

 

[Natal]

It's already cracked!

They say or express an opinion you mean.

 

[Calliope]

Ten to Six, he would be on the road toward Ohio.

Which is why I asked about his alibi for that time frame.

 

[Natal]

Venus is missing...presumed to be abducted....no proof that she is dead, though. Her own father doesn't believe she is. I certainly hope she's not.

Actually, initially he was certain she was (as sure as he was of his name, IIRC). It was only a few weeks later that he became certain she wasn't.

But, he likely doesn't know.

 

[Natal]

Not to mention there is no need for a shovel to hide her somewhere alive.

I doubt the shovel was part of the plan, if it was he would have got all that stuff in Virginia before he left (if we are to believe all the elaborate preparations he did there). Also, when he got to Colon he apparently had no plan at all, just wait outside on the off chance that she would come out alone (what are the chances of that?).

The whole proposed elaborate plan/no plan at all aspect of this is just crazy.

 

[Natal]

Just thought I’d throw a list of stuff together. It’s coming from memory. Please feel free to add or correct me as needed. I’m not saying all this is coming from LE, just stuff that has been reported. If I remember it came from LE, I will note that.

What we know/have heard that points to DS
Tire tracks at scene are very close to a match of DS’s truck. Waiting on Truck to arrive in MI
Police say they can put Doug Stewart in St. Joseph County, Michigan the morning Venus Stewart disappeared in April (link: http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/95411964.html )
Search Warrants we saw showed evidence found in both vehicles (Wal-Mart receipt, gloves, possible blood stain…I can’t remember what all was in there)
LE has called him POI since the beginning
LE now says they are sure he was in MI at the time of the abduction
LE now says they are sure the guy who paid the bill in NN claiming to be DS was not DS
The threats we have heard he made
LE says they have found evidence in VA, OH, and MI that they believe is related to VS’s disappearance. (I am assuming they mean evidence they have collected from DS’s apartment, his truck, the Wal-Mart in OH and his parents’ home)
We have heard VS was very scared DS would hurt/kill her if he got the chance.
We have heard VS took out a will shortly before she was abducted stating her wishes of who would take care of the girls.

What we know/have heard that points to DS being framed
Tight time frame (this would depend on if it were really DS who answered cell at 8:00 pm. We have not heard from LE either way if it was or not.)
The fact that so much evidence was left behind

So far as the tire tracks are concerned, the similarity assessment was made on the basis of photographs. I think what that means is that it is the same type of tire (ie make and model). I doubt they would be able to say much more than that based on a photo.

 

[Calliope]

I doubt the shovel was part of the plan, if it was he would have got all that stuff in Virginia before he left (if we are to believe all the elaborate preparations he did there). Also, when he got to Colon he apparently had no plan at all, just wait outside on the off chance that she would come out alone (what are the chances of that?).

The whole proposed elaborate plan/no plan at all aspect of this is just crazy.

And the honeymoon in vegas twist with all the PseudoDougs running about.

His attorney won't have to break a sweat on this one.

 

[Natal]

:waitasec:
Just yesterday there was an extensive discussion on WS about this one. AFAIK, no LEO said this.

I remember this and I thought it might have been proven with fingerprints, for example, on the bag a tarp came in. Their wording is carefully vague on how they know.

They would certainly have fingerprint results back weeks ago. If DS's fingerprints were on the tarp bag he would probably be under arrest by now or at the very least LE would be placing him directly at the scene. The fact that none of that has happened suggests there are no fingerprints, at least not his.

 

[Natal]

Well, I think your point was very valid marinemom.
Yours too mysticrose.

IMO it is possible he made the trip back. We don't know for sure what time he got back. All we know is his phone was answered around 8:00 pm. LE did not see him there. And, he had someone else paying his bills and claiming to be him. So, not a far stretch of the imagination to think someone else answered his phone and that allowed him more time to make it home. That extra time would allow for meals and tee tee breaks. IMO

It wouldn't just have been answering the phone, it would have involved talking to LE as well and answering questions.

 

[Natal]

Yeah, after we've heard that it's possible that the person who answered the phone was the imposter, there's really no time limit anymore.

We don't know when the real Doug got back to his apartment. The thing that's always perplexed me since reading the warrants is that blood was found on the floorboard of the back seat of the Mercury. To me, it sounds like the body may have been transferred from the truck to the car and then disposed of somewhere in Virginia.

Maybe you can explain blood on the truck's interior door as old--Venus got had a cut or something--but how do you explain blood on the floorboard of the Mercury?

You stop bleeding when you are dead. If she had been dead in the back of the truck for 8-10 hours (presumably wrapped in the tarp since no deposited blood was found in the truck) its hard to see how blood could have ended up in the car. We don't know who's blood is in both cars either, it could be DS's blood or from a third party.

 

[Natal]

I just don't see how anybody would have had access to all the places they have found evidence that they believe is related to the abduction, except DS.
If someone wanted to frame him by doing this, they would have had a lot of places to plant evidence in a very short amount of time. They would have also had to arrange for the bill paying imposter. IMO that would not be easy because the bill paying imposter had a credit/debit card of DS's. How would anybody else have that? Oh, and would have had to have taken DS's truck. And they would have to look a whole lot like DS since LE is saying they can put DS in MI at the time of the abduction.

As hard as I try to wrap my head around the frame theory...I just can't.
I don't think anyone could have pulled that off.

He was the only one that had access to all those places.

ETA: And I forgot about the car. Evidence was found in the car as well.

It depends on what that evidence is. If it is something related to VS personally, it wouldn't be surprising to find stuff like that in places where DS had been, since they were married.

The only things that they could say are related to the actual event would be stuff like the clothing she was reportedly wearing that day, or the materials supposedly bought at the Walmart (if they are indeed related to the case). Anything else would be sheer speculation on LEs part.

 

[pufnstuf]

It wouldn't just have been answering the phone, it would have involved talking to LE as well and answering questions.

Michigan State Police say detectives are trying to determine Doug Stewart's alibi for Monday and the days leading to Venus' kidnapping. Lt. Mike Risko says all investigators' contact with Doug Stewart is through his lawyer in Portage.

http://www.wwmt.com/articles/mother-1375777-newschannel-michigan.html

MSP has been consistent in saying that Doug has never answered any questions.

 

[pufnstuf]

You stop bleeding when you are dead. If she had been dead in the back of the truck for 8-10 hours (presumably wrapped in the tarp since no deposited blood was found in the truck) its hard to see how blood could have ended up in the car. We don't know who's blood is in both cars either, it could be DS's blood or from a third party.

Where have you read that there was no blood found in the truck? From the warrant:

L7 - Seven swabs from truck bed liner

Also, you are partially correct in saying that the dead don't bleed. The heart stops pumping blood, but gravitational ooze can occur, and that would account for blood possibly being in the back of the truck, and the same being transferred to the back floorboard of the car.

 

[pufnstuf]

They would certainly have fingerprint results back weeks ago. If DS's fingerprints were on the tarp bag he would probably be under arrest by now or at the very least LE would be placing him directly at the scene. The fact that none of that has happened suggests there are no fingerprints, at least not his.

Why would the arrest him now, when they're still looking for the person who alibied him? Why start the speedy trial clock ticking while they're still investigating?

 

[Natal]

Snipped from Puf's link above:

Doug Stewart’s alibi stated he was in Newport News, but Lt. Risko can now say for sure he knows this isn’t true. “We put him from Ohio to Michigan,” but he couldn’t say how they know that information for sure. “He was not in Newport News, and we need the impersonator to come forward,” Risko says.
Risko told me there was someone resembling Doug Stewart visiting a variety of places in the area the morning Venus went missing. “This person may not have known what Mr. Stewart was up to.” The impersonator visited Stewart’s law office, and paid a bill for his civil custody case. The employees behind the reception desk did not know for sure what Stewart looked like in person, and the guy had on a hoodie and dark glasses. To them it appeared to be Doug Stewart, and to investigators, it appeared to be a solid alibi. That is until authorities started digging deeper. They have the impersonator on video at Stewart’s apartment complex, and visiting other businesses in the area.


Now, there goes the "solid" alibi explanation. And why it is now considered bogus.

If the person on the video resembled DS, and was wearing a hoodie and sunglasses, they can't be sure that it wasn't him. If the video was clear enough to be certain that it wasn't DS then it is clear enough to put on TV to get the public to call in tips. Why hasn't that been done if they really want to find this person? That is done in other cases where an unknown party involved in a crime appears on video, so why not in this case?

Risko also could not say how they know DS was in Ohio and Michigan. If their evidence is the reciept and/or unrelated third party witnesses then they can't be sure of that even if they say they are.

 

[Natal]

Michigan State Police say detectives are trying to determine Doug Stewart's alibi for Monday and the days leading to Venus' kidnapping. Lt. Mike Risko says all investigators' contact with Doug Stewart is through his lawyer in Portage.

http://www.wwmt.com/articles/mother-1375777-newschannel-michigan.html

MSP has been consistent in saying that Doug has never answered any questions.

They would have asked questions when they called, and he would have answered them. Not the answers they would have wanted, but still answers. And an answer doesn't need to be factual to be an answer, it could be something like "i don't know", "I don't care", "F you", who knows, but he would have said something. Unless you are trying to suggest that he didn't say anything at all or just hung up.