Michael Jackson ~ new accuser files

[gitana1]

I have seen the documentary. There is no proof these allegations are true.

What grown man calls little boys late at night and talks to them for hours by phone? The same kids he sleeps with, showers with gifts and attention, cuddles with and poses provocatively for photos with?

There have been many allegations against Jackson and the allegations are similar. The allegations are also supported by witness statements from adults and kids who admitted to watching/looking at and drinking wine at Neverland (classic grooming techniques) even while they claimed he wasn't molesting anyone.

 

[Catmommy]

I saw Latoya Jackson on Geraldo Rivera's daytime talk show many years ago when she said that she'd never seen Michael abuse or misuse anyone but she had seen him take boys into his bedroom and that when they came out again they were "different". When Geraldo pressed her for different how, she said they were just "different", their mannerisms, but especially, their "eyes". This was certainly back in the late 1980s or early 1990s.

 

[Catmommy]

And, yes, it made that much of an impression on me at that time that I remembered her words.

 

[KALI]

25 years ago I was friends with Mindy, she was a private hire stewardess for the very wealthy.
Long before accusations came out, we had a few glasses of wine, wherein she told me the idiocracy of some of her clients.
She flew with Michael Jackson 3 times.
She told me, that in her opinion, that he was a pedophile. Based upon what she witnessed on these transanlactic flights.
I believed her then, and I believe her now.
She did not say anything like that about her other very rich customers.
She had no axe to grind.
Personally, I find it very sad that parents gave away their children for money and hopefully fame.

 

[iailwa]

The police did not find anything significant during any of the search warrants that were executed on the Neverland Ranch.

What would they be looking for? I don't understand. Do you mean child ? Any evidence against the actual children in case - would be extremely hard to find... wouldn't it?

 

[iailwa]

Both men, the accusers, are hoping to sue the Jackson Estate in order to obtain Neverland and Jackson's music rights. They are money-seeking liars.

Did you see James Safechuck in the Oprah special - did you see the hurt written on his face? He came out later than the Australian - it's obvious he's hurting ATM? So is Wade, but he's a little more composed. This is terrible what happened to them

 

[iailwa]

The thing is, people can be liars and greedy and stilll be victims of abuse. So no matter what you think of the characters of these two men, they could still be abuse victims.

And the facts remain that:

1. MJ dated little boys. We all witnessed this in the 80's and 90's.

2. He slept with them in his bed. Little, unrelated boys. He admitted this and even his defenders testified to this.

3. Several books containing graphic full frontal nudity of prepubescent boys, as well as photos of naked boys, were found in his possession. The most graphic of the books that only featured boys, MJ had written in, showing he valued the book.

4. Six of MJ's 16 "special friends" alleged he sexually abused them or in the case of one, sexually harassed him by phone.

5. Jackson publicly and privately groomed his special friends and their families which is a pedophilic modus operandi.

6. Jackson paid one of his accusers millions and millions of dollars settling a lawsuit against him for child molestation.

7. His accusers stand to lose money from any potential lawsuit by coming toward because as they're believed, his estate loses value. How does that make sense? And the estate can simply bankrupt out any awards against it, as it loses value. Again, how does that make sense?

Also, when MJ married the mother of his two eldest children in Australia - his best man was an 8 year old boy! just to add to your fabulous observations!

 

[iailwa]

Michael Jackson’s music will live on for eternity no matter what. His music was beautiful and brought peace and comfort to billions.

Don’t believe the hype. The true pedophiles have been trying to bring him down for decades.

You want to see who the true filthy rich pedos are? Look no further than Hollywood and D.C

Paedophiles arise in EVERY social or economic situation (there is no boundaries). I can give you plenty of examples if you like... even stars are paedophiles wow - everyday people, stars, famous people, lawyers, judges, doctors, sports people - it doesn't matter "what" they do - if they are a pedo that acts upon their desires, then they are a predator - no matter how famous they are

 

[iailwa]

It was the responsibility of the boys' parents to keep their children safe and they blew it.

No way would my son be attending slumber parties with any adult, especially one as flauntingly obvious as Jackson.

JMO

I agree somewhat - but as a abusee myself - my parents weren't around when this happened to me. It only happened when they went out! I'm not saying they are innocent... but in actual fact my parents had no idea leaving me with him was a big mistake & I could NOT tell them at the time. Red flags came up obviously - wrt to the these boys parents with mj- but who is the perpetrator here, in reality - it wasn't the parents, it was MJ. Yes? Yeah the parents could of taken better care for sure, but if they knew, then what would have happened? Two parents died of suicide over this. I think sometimes the parents can be blamed but with some degree it has to be the perps fault primarily... & then secondly the parents. He groomed everyone that's for sure...

 

[iailwa]

When I was a kid I used to think Boy George was weird. I have since learned not to judge a book by its cover. Different and odd doesn’t equal monster. It is possible MJ innocently enjoyed being around children in just the way he has explained numerous times. It may not have been pedophilic or sexual in nature. The true fact is that we do not know.
I respect and acknowledge your opinion gitana as I usually do. I just see it very differently.

The joy and compassion this human being brought to this world cannot be erased through allegations. JMO

Oh this comment makes me want to crawl under a rock and not come out for a while. It's beliefs like this that allow abusers to continue. The joy and compassion he bought to world, is nothing compared to the lives he ruined, unfortunately...

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

I wish all of MJ’s music would be removed from the airwaves. Whenever I hear one of his songs I cringe and switch channels immediately.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

I am mind-blown that people are still defending him. There is not a single person in my life that I would defend under these circumstances. If any man in my life, no matter how much I love them, was displaying this behaviour around young boys and had been accused of molestation by 6 different children, I would have to accept the fact that perhaps I do not know that person as well as I thought I did. I would be the first in line to say that even though I love that person they have to admit to their sickness and deal with the consequences of their actions.

The people bending over backwards to defend him are the reason why people get away for years with this sort of abuse. I believe Wade and James, but even if I didn't, even if these two men were lying it wouldn't change my opinion on the perpetrator. He is a text book abuser who has hidden in plain sight for decades.

It is a failure on society as a whole that we fail to protect our children from these people. We can never afford to turn a blind eye to this behaviour and we do not give the benefit of the doubt to grown men who sleep in bed with a succession of other people's young children. I have no time for anyone defending this behaviour.

I am so disgusted that I can't even refer to this monster by name anymore. I can't bear to type it, or say it out loud.

Every time you defend a perpetrator, you silence a victim.

 

[diamond12]

I used to be skeptical about the accusations, then again I didn't know much about the trials. After watching the documentary though...
I had my own problems during my childhood, the way James and Wade talked and the things they said were very familiar to me. Although my story is much different the feelings are similar. I saw pain and sadness in their eyes, if it's fake they must be great actors.
I also started experiencing issues much later in life, just like they did.
It was hard to watch honestly, I feel sad these guys received threats and lots of evil comments.
The fact that he always wanted to have these children in his bed at night is weird.
The whole "he wanted to live his childhood as an adult" narrative would make sense if he brought the children (with family) at his ranch only during the day, or had arrangements for the kids to sleep with the parents.
I don't know, I feel very confused and bad. Anyway, MJ aside, lots of wonderful people have double lives with very dark secrets.

 

[Vaccine]

And MJ's family, the inheritors of his estate and his fierce defenders, have a lot to lose from his being accepted as a paedophile. Many of them have gained in their careers and reputations by the association with MJ. Its not surprising they want to discredit the boys. Its not just the accusers (who I entirely believe) who could be accused of having financial motivations. They have a lot to lose. And questions will need to be asked about what they knew and why they turned a blind eye and left his own children at risk in his company.

The thing is, people can be liars and greedy and stilll be victims of abuse. So no matter what you think of the characters of these two men, they could still be abuse victims.

And the facts remain that:

1. MJ dated little boys. We all witnessed this in the 80's and 90's.

2. He slept with them in his bed. Little, unrelated boys. He admitted this and even his defenders testified to this.

3. Several books containing graphic full frontal nudity of prepubescent boys, as well as photos of naked boys, were found in his possession. The most graphic of the books that only featured boys, MJ had written in, showing he valued the book.

4. Six of MJ's 16 "special friends" alleged he sexually abused them or in the case of one, sexually harassed him by phone.

5. Jackson publicly and privately groomed his special friends and their families which is a pedophilic modus operandi.

6. Jackson paid one of his accusers millions and millions of dollars settling a lawsuit against him for child molestation.

7. His accusers stand to lose money from any potential lawsuit by coming toward because as they're believed, his estate loses value. How does that make sense? And the estate can simply bankrupt out any awards against it, as it loses value. Again, how does that make sense?

 

[Andieinsyd]

I do feel for Jackson’s three children. This must be incredibly confronting for them, and not sure whether their support system is terribly solid.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

Also, when MJ married the mother of his two eldest children in Australia - his best man was an 8 year old boy! just to add to your fabulous observations!

As I am an Aussie, just had to reference this

His divorce to Lisa Marie Presley had been finalised just three months prior. Visiting Australia on his HIStory world tour, Jackson wed nurse Debbie Rowe at Sydney’s Sheraton on the Park Hotel in front of a small gathering of close friends.

His best man was an eight-year-old boy.

At the time of the wedding, Rowe was heavily pregnant with the first of two children she would “gift” Jackson, having a minimal presence in their upbringing.

Inside Michael Jackson and Debbie Rowe’s mysterious marriage

 

[Mickey Mouse]

When I was a kid I used to think Boy George was weird. I have since learned not to judge a book by its cover. Different and odd doesn’t equal monster. It is possible MJ innocently enjoyed being around children in just the way he has explained numerous times. It may not have been pedophilic or sexual in nature. The true fact is that we do not know.
I respect and acknowledge your opinion gitana as I usually do. I just see it very differently.

The joy and compassion this human being brought to this world cannot be erased through allegations. JMO

Take the rock star fame and fortune out for a minute.

Marty Johnson is an adult male, unmarried, with only a couple of short and rather atypical relationships with women. He spends a lot of his time with prepubescent boys. He built a huge playground in his backyard, and has invited young boys in the neighborhood over to play. He developed a close relationship with some of these young boys, and often invited them on trips and to stay at his house. Some of these boys spent large amounts of time alone with Marty, staying at his house for extended lengths of time. Several of the boys have come forward with stories of , alcohol, sleeping in the same bed, and molestation.

Marty has numerous locks on his bedroom door, and cameras set up so he can see anyone approaching his bedroom.

Marty readily admits to sharing a bed with these boys, but says it's innocent and he's just a child at heart (even though he is an adult male nearing middle age).

It doesn't matter if Marty is an accountant, a bricklayer, a cab driver, etc. Marty is a pedophile.

 

[Gardenista]

Barbra Streisand says Michael Jackson’s accusers were ‘thrilled to be there’ and his ‘sexual needs were his sexual needs’

“His sexual needs were his sexual needs, coming from whatever childhood he has or whatever DNA he has," Streisand told The Times. “You can say ‘molested,' but those children, as you heard say [grown-up Robson and Safechuck], they were thrilled to be there. They both married and they both have children, so it didn’t kill them.”

 

[margarita25]

Did you see James Safechuck in the Oprah special - did you see the hurt written on his face? He came out later than the Australian - it's obvious he's hurting ATM? So is Wade, but he's a little more composed. This is terrible what happened to them

I find WR and JS to be very, very sincere and belieavble.

 

[Catmommy]

Barbra Streisand says Michael Jackson’s accusers were ‘thrilled to be there’ and his ‘sexual needs were his sexual needs’

“His sexual needs were his sexual needs, coming from whatever childhood he has or whatever DNA he has," Streisand told The Times. “You can say ‘molested,' but those children, as you heard say [grown-up Robson and Safechuck], they were thrilled to be there. They both married and they both have children, so it didn’t kill them.”

Spoken like the self important, mean spirited diva she seems to be. Never having been in the shoes of the victims, obviously, she blames them. You just lost a fan, Barbra, and I imagine I'm far from the only one.