Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 11

[close_enough]

I'm up in the air about the 11 pm call - there are only two people that could confirm that (outside of LE) -and one of them is dead.

i still think there was an 11 pm call....that's just one of the things that still sticks in my head as probably being fact, but i could be way off base on it.....

 

[close_enough]

Sami, you might know......aren't tests done on a body, AT a crime scene such as this one??

 

[Samiya]

Scandi and or Sami,

Scandi I note you are thinking, as you have been for a while, that JY had a few drinks before he returned to the home. Couple of questions to think about, according to RPD the only tox test done was for alcohol, supposedly negative and definitely not noted in the AR, why would the toxicology be limited to alcohol only?

Would it (the tox screen) be limited based on what was found in the home ? For instance a bottle of something open in the kitchen area, glasses in the sink containing a left over alcoholic beverage or something along that line ?

Why would they also not run toxicology for drugs and other substances ? If true alcohol was run, then the pregnancy excuse for not doing a drug scan as well doesn't fly, at least with me. As you can tell I am not swallowing either story, that the only tox done was alcohol or, that the AR published is all there is.

For instance, what if there is a glass, or glasses, in the sink containing left over or trace alcoholic beverage and the GA friend told LE that neither her or Michelle had any such beverage - would the tox screen then just to be a verification of that statement ? To my way of thinking, something is not adding up -

Does anyone else think this or have any ideas?

Hiya RC,

I've finally finished part one part of my work, which is a complete 3D model of Michelle's body which rotates on an axis. It is also fully poseable. Now I just have to add things.

As to your question..... if a full toxicology report was not done, then the 0%BAC should have been noted in the AR. Not knowing how things are done over there, this seems like a CAD AR, "Cause Of Death AR". As far as CAD's go, it is complete. There should be a Tox report, this is a death not due to natural causes.

There will be another report (Forensic) which will further delve into the injuries themselves...angles of blows, etc.

Pregnancy is definitely not an excuse for not doing a BAC as alot of pregnant women have a drink or two, and even if there's no glasses or alcohol bottles laying around, that doesn't mean she didn't have a drink.

I've also been thinking alot on the no bra, socks or shoes.

I'm left wondering whether it was because Michelle had had a shower put on the panties, pants, tshirt then put on the sweatshirt to keep warm until bed.
Mind you...I don't blame her for not having a bra on if she hadn't gone to bed. They're uncomfortable when you're preg.

Another thing that peaked my interest was Jason or an unknown perp taking the weapon upstairs with them.

Part of the 'non random' is the seeming fact that the perp was there with intent to harm or kill. Now, if he took the weapon with him to do 'some damage', WHY bother putting it down to attempt strangulation, just to have to pick it back up again? It would've been easier to just begin using the weapon.
Why would Jason of all people need a flashlight to walk around in his own house? He would've known the layout of the place like the back of his hand.....

More things to ponder

Sami

 

[raisincharlie]

Hiya RC,

I've finally finished part one part of my work, which is a complete 3D model of Michelle's body which rotates on an axis. It is also fully poseable. Now I just have to add things.

As to your question..... if a full toxicology report was not done, then the 0%BAC should have been noted in the AR. Not knowing how things are done over there, this seems like a CAD AR, "Cause Of Death AR". As far as CAD's go, it is complete.

There will be another report (Forensic) which will further delve into the injuries themselves...angles of blows, etc.

Pregnancy is definitely not an excuse for not doing a BAC as alot of pregnant women have a drink or two, and even if there's no glasses or alcohol bottles laying around, that doesn't mean she didn't have a drink.

I've also been thinking alot on the no bra, socks or shoes.

I'm left wondering whether it was because Michelle had had a shower put on the panties, pants, tshirt then put on the sweatshirt to keep warm until bed.
Mind you...I don't blame her for not having a bra on if she hadn't gone to bed. They're uncomfortable when you're preg.

Another thing that peaked my interest was Jason or an unknown perp taking the weapon upstairs with them.

Part of the 'non random' is the seeming fact that the perp was there with intent to harm or kill. Now, if he took the weapon with him to do 'some damage', WHY bother putting it down to attempt strangulation, just to have to pick it back up again? It would've been easier to just begin using the weapon.
Why would Jason of all people need a flashlight to walk around in his own house? He would've known the layout of the place like the back of his hand.....

More things to ponder

Sami

Thanks Sami !

I get the feeling you are having trouble with addition just as I am...stewing away.

 

[close_enough]

Sami, you might know......aren't tests done on a body, AT a crime scene such as this one??

scratch this/nevermind...found out they do

 

[Samiya]

You're welcome

Yep, some things just aren't adding up.

Sami

 

[concernedperson]

Maybe he started to strangle and realized how hard it was going to be.Then waited for her to be semi conscious/winded and then retrieved the murder weapon. Could be why there are more blows to the left side of her head...an attempt to demolish fingerprints. Just a thought.

 

[raisincharlie]

You're welcome

Yep, some things just aren't adding up.

Sami

Sami,

Would the forensic report that you reference also give, or make, a determination if the manual strangulation was with two hands or one ? Would they be able to determine an approximate size of the perpertrator's hands from the marks left and the damage to the strap muscles ?

If I am understanding - the hyoid bone was not broken. There was reference also to it being fused - does this not occur with age ? If too many questions, tell me to go to my room...I'm good with that .

 

[jilly]

Jilly,


Would you be surprised if JY left at 4 pm ?

I wouldn't be...

Well if they'd had a fight and he'd packed his bags to get away from her, I wouldn't be.

Otherwise I would be surprised because around here 4pm is rush hour and I think any normal person would wait until that died down.

 

[raisincharlie]

Well if they'd had a fight and he'd packed his bags to get away from her, I wouldn't be.

Otherwise I would be surprised because around here 4pm is rush hour and I think any normal person would wait until that died down.

Jilly

Not meaning to be personal but are you in that general area ? I ask only because of your reference to traffic, if you are in the area - when would be a good time to leave without significant traffic ?

 

[jilly]

Jilly

Not meaning to be personal but are you in that general area ? I ask only because of your reference to traffic, if you are in the area - when would be a good time to leave without significant traffic ?

No....far from it - Northwest here. I was just saying 'in general'. Where I live rush hour is in it's peak from 4-6pm. The freeway leaving the city is bumper to bumper.

Getting back to leaving at 4pm though. There's just no reasonsonable explanation imo for him leaving at 4pm. He didn't have to be anywhere that night - he was only getting a so-called headstart.

 

[scandi]

Oh my goodness, you have been so busy at it already this morning!~ I've got to catch up. LOL

Jilly I read your post last night before I hit the sack and was too tired to respond like I wanted to. Somehow I have got this simply nasty head and chest cold, so I'm not quite myself. Be back. :blowkiss:

 

[Samiya]

Sami,

Would the forensic report that you reference also give, or make, a determination if the manual strangulation was with two hands or one ? Would they be able to determine an approximate size of the perpertrator's hands from the marks left and the damage to the strap muscles ?

If I am understanding - the hyoid bone was not broken. There was reference also to it being fused - does this not occur with age ? If too many questions, tell me to go to my room...I'm good with that .

Part A...

They can get an idea of the size of the hands and should be able to tell whether or not one or two hands were used going on any markings on the neck.

Part B...

The hyoid 'fuses' with age. The AR states that Michelle's was not fused, which is normal for her age and 'femaleness'.

Note also that the larynx is "clear" of any mucosa or bleeding. This tells me that it wasn't a very strong hold as does the lack of damage to the thyroid area.

It's 3:19am and I better get some kind of sleep. I have to stay awake until I'm almost dropping to the floor as I suffer from sleep paralysis to the point where I have almost got a phobia of going to bed if it's going to take awhile for me to go to sleep but I'm pretty drowsy now.

Sami

 

[Samiya]

scratch this/nevermind...found out they do

Sorry hon, I missed your q

I will give you a bit of detailed info when I get up later. I'm almost on my keyboard, lol.

Sami

 

[raisincharlie]

No....far from it - Northwest here. I was just saying 'in general'. Where I live rush hour is in it's peak from 4-6pm. The freeway leaving the city is bumper to bumper.

Getting back to leaving at 4pm though. There's just no reasonsonable explanation imo for him leaving at 4pm. He didn't have to be anywhere that night - he was only getting a so-called headstart.

Okay doke - got ya !

I can think of a reasonable explanation for him to leave that early - if this is a premeditated murder - the hotel was far enough away to make it seem unreasonable that he would return to Raleigh and still be able to keep say a 9 am (est) meeting somewhere in VA.

As far as we know - someone saw Michelle alive at 10:30 pm, but yet LE was looking for unusual activtity between 12am and 6 am. This was originally 1am to 5am, something changed the time frame, could have been prelim autopsy but with what I've seen of the autopsy published there is zero data presented to even invent a TOD range. Maybe it was changed based on someone having a phone conversation with her, or some activity on the computer, or difference in time between when JY checked in to his hotel and drive time back to Raleigh. Don't know - just studying.

 

[raisincharlie]

Part A...

They can get an idea of the size of the hands and should be able to tell whether or not one or two hands were used going on any markings on the neck.

Part B...

The hyoid 'fuses' with age. The AR states that Michelle's was not fused, which is normal for her age and 'femaleness'.

Note also that the larynx is "clear" of any mucosa or bleeding. This tells me that it wasn't a very strong hold as does the lack of damage to the thyroid area.

It's 3:19am and I better get some kind of sleep. I have to stay awake until I'm almost dropping to the floor as I suffer from sleep paralysis to the point where I have almost got a phobia of going to bed if it's going to take awhile for me to go to sleep but I'm pretty drowsy now.

Sami

Thanks - get some good sleep !

 

[scandi]

Lots to think about.

I'm no expert at AR's but have watched plenty of forensic shows. lol
Wouldn't there be a standard set of tests done on the blood, body fluids, semen? If the coroner noticed anything unusual on her body that would be tested too - often on hands or around the mouth from what I've seen.

Charlie, if you compare the Vitale and Young reports side by side, what differences do you see? That's a starter, although like Sami said there will be an additional report from the forensics and DNA.

Dr Baden said on Greta's show the AR was thorough and well done. I think the drawings are poorly done, but then I'm an artist. LOL Baden interpreted some of the shading around all the wounds I believe except for the mouth ones as having that gnurling. Maybe that is what the coroner meant by those fine slashes you see, but it could be the bruising was not really drawn in but stated. He did not state anything about the gnurling which I think is odd if that is what he meant. And if it was a maglite FL it would have left gnurling at every point of impact as RaleighResident tested that on playdo and it happened with every stroke.

4pm. Yes it is very possible. Does anyone feel JY told the complete truth to Rhett at the funeral if he actually did kill Michelle. By that time, 6 full days after the murder I think JY was in full alibi mode and putting out facts he wanted known to back him up.

I think the early start was just that, and maybe quite early. I think that Michelle had already told him to get out of their lives, she was filing for divorce. We read from Captain Joe around the 11th or so of Nov that he had learned the divorce was already in the planning or had been filed, so that was the word on the street so to speak. We had the word he had left with suitcases. It all leads to the fact in my mind this was the day for him to make the initial move out of his home. She was probably riding him that afternoon to get out.

There was one conflicting post I read from an insider that he left as GA was arriving, but I doubt that. If he was moving out I don't think he would want her girlfriend to see him leaving like this - male ego, you know. I discount that tip.

 

[jilly]

Okay doke - got ya !

I can think of a reasonable explanation for him to leave that early - if this is a premeditated murder - the hotel was far enough away to make it seem unreasonable that he would return to Raleigh and still be able to keep say a 9 am (est) meeting somewhere in VA.

As far as we know - someone saw Michelle alive at 10:30 pm, but yet LE was looking for unusual activtity between 12am and 6 am. This was originally 1am to 5am, something changed the time frame, could have been prelim autopsy but with what I've seen of the autopsy published there is zero data presented to even invent a TOD range. Maybe it was changed based on someone having a phone conversation with her, or some activity on the computer, or difference in time between when JY checked in to his hotel and drive time back to Raleigh. Don't know - just studying.

Oh I agree with you 100%. And this entire hotel thing may be the key to premeditation. What I was trying to say was - if it was just a trip to get a headstart, it would be unreasonable to leave at 4pm imo. I've always thought from the beginning that this whole hotel thing was a scam. We've discussed it before - I think it was you who mentioned it wasn't like he was dealing with a huge journey.

When exactly did LE extend the hours to 12-6, do you remember offhand? No need to check.

 

[jilly]

Hi Scandi! If in fact JY was moving out that day, then surely the GAFriend would have known wouldn't she? It wouldn't have to be a secret at that point would it?
It is rumor that she was supportive of JY up to the time of the funeral at least and I was kind of wondering about that. I guess it could be something as simple as her not wanting to believe he had anything to do with it.

 

[raisincharlie]

Oh I agree with you 100%. And this entire hotel thing may be the key to premeditation. What I was trying to say was - if it was just a trip to get a headstart, it would be unreasonable to leave at 4pm imo. I've always thought from the beginning that this whole hotel thing was a scam. We've discussed it before - I think it was you who mentioned it wasn't like he was dealing with a huge journey.

When exactly did LE extend the hours to 12-6, do you remember offhand? No need to check.

Jilly

I don't remember exactly when the time frame was extended but I do recall it was after the autopsy was performed. I recall questioning why a time frame would be expanded after an autopsy as usually the autopsy tends to narrow time frames. As I recall, Sami gave some very good reasons which of course I can't repeat due to be being a dummy.