Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 11

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  • #301
Now about what happened when he came back that night. We learned so many interesting things last night from RaleighResident. He lives within view of their house I believe, and is a very ecclectic sort of guy with lots of personality. I believe him. He knows alot about what happened from either talking to people in the know or that did work in the house afterwards, I don't know. But what he says bears discussion I think.

The one thing he stated that made my eyes turn big was that Michelle was downstairs waiting for him to return. That would be from the 11pm call and might be why she was wearing that hoodie to go downstairs. She was expecting his return. RR alluded to the fact there was a missed swing thatended up hitting the wall and making an impression and it was from the weapon. I believe that. And he also said that the sheetrock that was removed was in the Foyer and not from upstairs. I always thought photos would be what they would want for study of the blood spatter and there would be no need to remove sheetrock for that!

This is one reason I think he had been drinking. He evidently took a wild swing. If he was planning to hurt her and was sober, he would have nailed that blow. Also about the drinking. I think he had time waiting around to come back after GA left and may have needed to fortify himself mentally for going back and either talking to her or killing her.

That leads to why he had the weapon in his hand when he was down in the Foyer with her. I think he came in from the garage door that opened into the Foyer {from how I interpret the floor plan we talked about here}. He could have picked up the Maglight and slipped off his shoes there in the garage {if they did remove shoes before entering the home which is very possible}. I still haven't figured out why he had this in his hands at that point, but it well could be he did plan to kill her, depending on something she could have said on the phone to him when he called her at 11pm.

So after the wild swing Michelle ran straight up those stairs to the safety of her bedroom and I think he caught up with her and he threw her onto the bed and held her down with his left hand. They struggled and she broke his hand free and so he nailed her in the mouth with the weapon.

The angles of the blows will tell so much. But I do think after that first belt to the mouth her arms went up so her hands could shield her face. It had already been hit which caused the blood in the bed. I think she tried to escape and get out of bed and fell in a real twisted angle with her hands still up and there on the floor he started to hit the back of her head. I haven't worked out all the sequence of blows yet. :confused:

One more thing. In the post RR lost over at CTV he said something like 'accidental disc_____' which I'm wondering was the word discharge. I'm thinking Michelles water broke in the foree.
 
  • #302
Scandi,

No I don't think JY told Fussell the full tale - otherwise Fussell would have blabbed where in Virginia that either JY stayed or where the meeting was. IMO Fussell repeated exactly what he was told - which was as you say - alibi mode and nothing specific. All this time - no one, including insiders have been able to say, or have cared to say where JY was in Virginia for a meeting. I believe one alluded to Blacksburg, another to Roanoke but there you have it - even the insiders don't know.

Big question isn't it ?
 
  • #303
I looked that one up Charlie, and it was JTF that stated Blacksburg.

What do you think about the missed blow in the Foyer?


ETA: I could be wrong about that. Concerned Citizen might have been the insider that mentioned Blacksburg. But I have only heard mention of the town once in all those posts from insiders.
 
  • #304
scandi said:
I looked that one up Charlie, and it was JTF that stated Blacksburg.

What do you think about the missed blow in the Foyer?


ETA: I could be wrong about that. Concerned Citizen might have been the insider that mentioned Blacksburg. But I have only heard mention of the town once in all those posts from insiders.
The problem with Blacksburg - it is not exactly near Duffield and there is no logical reason for him to go out of his way to stop in Duffield to buy gas on his way to Brevard (I believe it would have been 45 minutes, one way, out of the way according to Scout to do so for a total 1.5 hours of travel out of his way going from blacksburg to Brevard). This I gleaned from Dominique who is intimately aware of that area. Roanoke - the trip to Duffield is even further out of the way.

The missed hit in the foyer - not willing to accept that yet as Amanda Lamb reported she could only see finger print dust in the foyer area through the glass by the doors and she reported seeing sheet rock removed from the house but did not state it came from the foyer. I think some have not focused on what Ms. Lamb actually said - JMO.
 
  • #305
scandi said:
I looked that one up Charlie, and it was JD that stated Blacksburg.

What do you think about the missed blow in the Foyer?


ETA: I could be wrong about that. Concerned Citizen might have been the insider that mentioned Blacksburg. But I have only heard mention of the town once in all those posts from insiders.
Sure JTF said Blacksburg ? The posts I read said Virginia but no specific town. This person seems to know every other detail of Jay's life, so you wonder why this small bit of info is not revealed ?
 
  • #306
raisincharlie said:
The problem with Blacksburg - it is not exactly near Duffield and there is no logical reason for him to go out of his way to stop in Duffield to buy gas on his way to Brevard (I believe it would have been 45 minutes, one way, out of the way according to Scout to do so for a total 1.5 hours of travel out of his way going from blacksburg to Brevard). This I gleaned from Dominique who is intimately aware of that area. Roanoke - the trip to Duffield is even further out of the way.

The missed hit in the foyer - not willing to accept that yet as Amanda Lamb reported she could only see finger print dust in the foyer area through the glass by the doors and she reported seeing sheet rock removed from the house but did not state it came from the foyer. I think some have not focused on what Ms. Lamb actually said - JMO.

i'm with you RC on all that foyer business....i heard the exact same thing you heard Ms Lamb state also...until something else 'official' has been stated on the missed blow in the foyer, i'm not taking it into consideration...not yet anyway...
 
  • #307
scandi said:
I looked that one up Charlie, and it was JTF that stated Blacksburg.

What do you think about the missed blow in the Foyer?


ETA: I could be wrong about that. Concerned Citizen might have been the insider that mentioned Blacksburg. But I have only heard mention of the town once in all those posts from insiders.

i believe you're right Scandi..i also think it was CC that mentioned Blacksburg .... but it's been so long ago now, i could be wrong....
 
  • #308
raisincharlie said:
I'm up in the air about the 11 pm call - there are only two people that could confirm that (outside of LE) -and one of them is dead.


Yep, that 11 PM call was floated only by JTF .
 
  • #309
close_enough said:
i just have no idea if JY was drinking or not that night....i guess i'm confused....i don't see how that would have anything to do w/the murder ??...i mean, sure he might have had something to drink, but he might have had a burger & chips too....i'm lost on this question, sorry...

i do however think that the AR is complete, but as much as i hate to agree w/RPD (lol) it makes sense that other tests results have not been released, such as tests done on MY's body at the crime scene....i could be wrong, but don't they have folks to take the temp & all that of the victim AT the crime scene???...these could be totally seperate from the 'official' AR couldn't they?


I am positive about the tox screen, as I saw the document at the ME office.
See the autopsy page for info on other report that is not public.
 
  • #310
Barney Fife said:
Yep, that 11 PM call was floated only by JTF .

i THINK the mention of the 11 pm call was posted by ConcernedCitizen very early on....remember when he/she said he was posting for other 'friends' of the Youngs???....yep, i'm almost positive that this was posted by CC....
 
  • #311
Barney Fife said:
I am positive about the tox screen, as I saw the document at the ME office.
See the autopsy page for info on other report that is not public.

got it Barney...thanks for the info...i also got some info from another person i know...it's true that a lot of testing would have been done on Michelle at the scene....
 
  • #312
close_enough said:
i THINK the mention of the 11 pm call was posted by ConcernedCitizen very early on....remember when he/she said he was posting for other 'friends' of the Youngs???....yep, i'm almost positive that this was posted by CC....

I wonder if she got that from JTF's or maybe that is the same person ???

JTF posted the 11 pm call on 11-15-06 using the "misfit blog"
 
  • #313
Barney Fife said:
I wonder if she got that from JTF's or maybe that is the same person ???

JTF posted the 11 pm call on 11-15-06 using the "misfit blog"

you could be right....gosh, somewhere here in one of the very earlier threads there's a copy of a post by CC, where he/she mentions the 11 pm call....who knows?...maybe they're one in the same....
 
  • #314
close_enough said:
you could be right....gosh, somewhere here in one of the very earlier threads there's a copy of a post by CC, where he/she mentions the 11 pm call....who knows?...maybe they're one in the same....

Probably just repeated that info as "fact" since JTF said it.
Anyway, you only see a couple of JY supporters on ALL the boards,,,wonder what most of them think now ?
 
  • #315
Barney Fife said:
Yep, that 11 PM call was floated only by JTF .

OMG, How Funny! I just got done reading all of CC's posts at CTV, and on about pp14 or 15 he states JY mader a call to Michelle at 11pm. Close, you nailed that one!

Scout doesn't think CC is JTF but there is such similarity in the writing, attitude, etc. Part #`1 of the 'friends' post that CC posts is different, like it is written by a woman, strange. I think that is on pp 15. Then part #2 on pp16 sounds like a man.

My Goodness, I spent way too much time on CC :D , but since he was the original outsider who admitted he was a good friend of JY's it is kind of historic to the case, right? LOLOLOL
 
  • #316
Barney Fife said:
Anyway, you only see a couple of JY supporters on ALL the boards,,,wonder what most of them think now ?

Well after posting about Meredith, jellybeans and Lion King and practically being laughed off the forum, maybe JTF had a meltdown. That was absurd. Surely any other supporters could see through that nonsense.
 
  • #317
Barney Fife said:
Sure JTF said Blacksburg ? The posts I read said Virginia but no specific town. This person seems to know every other detail of Jay's life, so you wonder why this small bit of info is not revealed ?

I did read back Barney, and CC stated 'I don't know' when asked if he knew where in Va the meeting was. He did once respond to Scout who must have mentioned Blacksburg as it was in his responding post, but Scout's original post must have been deleted.

BTW, I read from pp 16 all the way back to pp 1 of that original long thread and could find no other reference to Blacksburg, only Va, like you thought. I think posters just assumed it was there, as someone pulled up a list of Chartone's locations and it was listed there evidently.
 
  • #318
And here it is by CC:
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=279424&perpage=40&pagenumber=15


"I believe they left around 10:30 and the Jason called her at around 11pm and all was ok." ConcernedCitizen

Gee, we should have made a list of everything said by every insider. LOL Maybe Bee did.


So Barney, we have this by both CC and JTF, and they are within a day of being posted. Velly Intellesting! ;}

ETA: CC's post @ CTV was at 6:59pm on Nov 15th
JTF's post @ Misfits was at 11pm on Nov 15th

Amazing!
 
  • #319
close_enough said:
i still think there was an 11 pm call....that's just one of the things that still sticks in my head as probably being fact, but i could be way off base on it.....
I'm just getting here today, so sorry I'm so far behind! I'm not finding mention of the call in the news articles, but how was it that we found out about this call to begin with? Didn't someone report it on the cable news or ??? (aside from someone posting about it).
 
  • #320
raisincharlie said:
The problem with Blacksburg - it is not exactly near Duffield and there is no logical reason for him to go out of his way to stop in Duffield to buy gas on his way to Brevard (I believe it would have been 45 minutes, one way, out of the way according to Scout to do so for a total 1.5 hours of travel out of his way going from blacksburg to Brevard). This I gleaned from Dominique who is intimately aware of that area. Roanoke - the trip to Duffield is even further out of the way.

The missed hit in the foyer - not willing to accept that yet as Amanda Lamb reported she could only see finger print dust in the foyer area through the glass by the doors and she reported seeing sheet rock removed from the house but did not state it came from the foyer. I think some have not focused on what Ms. Lamb actually said - JMO.
I agree with you about the locations for the "meeting" being inconsistent with stopping for gas in Duffield and I still can't grasp exactly where he was supposed to be headed to. About the foyer area, I remember her report about the fingerprint dust and believe the sheetrock came from the bedroom where the crime occurred.
 
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