Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 11

[raisincharlie]

thanks for posting this RC!....looks like no new news though today, huh?...ugh

I haven't seen anything Close ! Wish something would come out. Can you imagine how LE feels ? Bet they are wanting to resolve this as soon as possible and are doing their best.

What do you think the odds are that if JY actually had a business meeting on Friday - that no one, not one of the 100 or so insiders knows or will say where that was at or what time ? If no one knows - JY boy is very very good at keeping secrets.

 

[panthera]

What do you think the odds are that if JY actually had a business meeting on Friday - that no one, not one of the 100 or so insiders knows or will say where that was at or what time ? If no one knows - JY boy is very very good at keeping secrets.

I've never known of a business meeting that couldn't be confirmed. So if he was at a meeting that morning, then why hasn't LE confirmed? Seems that maybe he wasn't?

 

[close_enough]

I haven't seen anything Close ! Wish something would come out. Can you imagine how LE feels ? Bet they are wanting to resolve this as soon as possible and are doing their best.

What do you think the odds are that if JY actually had a business meeting on Friday - that no one, not one of the 100 or so insiders knows or will say where that was at or what time ? If no one knows - JY boy is very very good at keeping secrets.

very good point...it's amazing to me that NO ONE has leaked the place of the 'meeting'.....i tell ya, it really makes a person wonder if there really was a meeting....i tend to think there was, but there's also this little 'thing' in the back of mind that says maybe not

 

[raisincharlie]

very good point...it's amazing to me that NO ONE has leaked the place of the 'meeting'.....i tell ya, it really makes a person wonder if there really was a meeting....i tend to think there was, but there's also this little 'thing' in the back of mind that says maybe not

Well one thing seems certain - JY didn't give anyone any specifcs, at least not anyone talking to anyone else, I should clarify. He just told Fussell VA, quess that's his story and seems he's sticking to it. I suspect if there was a meeting he told his lawyer and his lawyer told him to tell no one. It might not be easy for LE to find it out as I think JY's work was very independent and only reported to Chart One after the fact unless it was something set up by ChartOne to start with. ChartOne has no office in Raleigh - only reps. I think people forget this and assume Chart One would know his schedule. JMO

 

[panthera]

Well one thing seems certain - JY didn't give anyone any specifcs, at least not anyone talking to anyone else, I should clarify. He just told Fussell VA, quess that's his story and seems he's sticking to it. I suspect if there was a meeting he told his lawyer and his lawyer told him to tell no one. It might not be easy for LE to find it out as I think JY's work was very independent and only reported to Chart One after the fact unless it was something set up by ChartOne to start with. ChartOne has no office in Raleigh - only reps. I think people forget this and assume Chart One would know his schedule. JMO

You're right, if this was something that Jason set up without the knowledge of anyone higher up at Chart One. I'd forgotten that his schedule was that 'independent'. I'd still think, though, that whoever he was supposed to meet with would be able to confirm?

 

[nanandjim]

You're right, if this was something that Jason set up without the knowledge of anyone higher up at Chart One. I'd forgotten that his schedule was that 'independent'. I'd still think, though, that whoever he was supposed to meet with would be able to confirm?

Was Jason actually an employee of ChartOne or was he an independent sales rep? If he is or was an employee, they should be able to find out where he was supposed to be. He would have certain accounts. Of course, I guess that he could say that he was going to make a "cold call."

LE can suspect Jason all day long. However, if they can't come up with something connecting him to the crime, then this case may go unsolved for a while or forever.

Unfortunately, I think that he would have been arrested if they had a smoking gun such as his bloody fingerprint or his blood trapped in the shower drain. Man, do I wish that they had a bloody hair or something in his car connecting him to the crime.

They found no blood evidence in Scott Peterson's case. He almost got away with the crime. Had he killed his wife and left her in the home, he may have gotten away with the murder. There were too many things connecting him the San Francisco Bay where his wife and his son washed ashore.

Unfortunately, when you murder a spouse at home, I guess that it is hard to find evidence because it is expected that your DNA, etc., is in the home.

I think that Jason wore sunglasses because of an injury caused by Michelle. I notice that other family members followed suit and wore sunglasses, too. IMO, they know that he murdered his wife and are protecting him.

 

[raisincharlie]

You're right, if this was something that Jason set up without the knowledge of anyone higher up at Chart One. I'd forgotten that his schedule was that 'independent'. I'd still think, though, that whoever he was supposed to meet with would be able to confirm?

Panthera,

I think perhaps we place much more emphasis on this case than the local area places on it. I think it is totally overshadowed by Duke LAX and as we are aware - the press is very quite about it. Now, that is Raleigh - imagine what it might be in western Virginia. I was struck by Dominique's research into the Get it Market - when talking about it with the manager - if I recall the manager wanted to know if her inquiry related to "that woman that was killed". This case is not as big as we would like it to be.

With that in mind - if JY shceduled a meeting, would they actually be aware that it was the JY - husband of "that woman that was killed". I can see no one coming forward if it was in a small area well away from Raleigh. JMO

 

[Dominique]

Lmao, probably padded...........

In Twinkies!

Mo' sugar, lol.

Hugs
Sami

Laughing at you all...jelly beans and cabbages and kings?

Are we going to the Twinkie Defense trotted out again...catching up on today and wishing all of you at WS a good evening..I come here to clear my thoughts! Thanks to all who post here.

 

[Dominique]

Panthera,

I think perhaps we place much more emphasis on this case than the local area places on it. I think it is totally overshadowed by Duke LAX and as we are aware - the press is very quite about it. Now, that is Raleigh - imagine what it might be in western Virginia. I was struck by Dominique's research into the Get it Market - when talking about it with the manager - if I recall the manager wanted to know if her inquiry related to "that woman that was killed". This case is not as big as we would like it to be.

With that in mind - if JY shceduled a meeting, would they actually be aware that it was the JY - husband of "that woman that was killed". I can see no one coming forward if it was in a small area well away from Raleigh. JMO

RC, the lady in Duffield knew exactly what I was getting at and stated she has been watching the news for developements (this was in in Dec.).
I have to think she is in a minority of people there as she had reason to know about the crime, only because she was involved in the LE interview.

Message boards and blogs like ours are not something people follow here locally...I am so glad that I have the 'bug' and you all to share it with, lol, but we are pretty underrepresented in the general population...I wish the case could get some attention because it is just inconceivable to me that no one saw anything....my people in this region are very justice minded but there has been no news to 'jog' even the foggiest memory.

I hope for justice for Michelle and her baby and Cassie...hope is a postive and I am hanging on to that in this derth of no news.

 

[raisincharlie]

RC, the lady in Duffield knew exactly what I was getting at and stated she has been watching the news for developements (this was in in Dec.).
I have to think she is in a minority of people there as she had reason to know about the crime, only because she was involved in the LE interview.

Message boards and blogs like ours are not something people follow here locally...I am so glad that I have the 'bug' and you all to share it with, lol, but we are pretty underrepresented in the general population...I wish the case could get some attention because it is just inconceivable to me that no one saw anything....my people in this region are very justice minded but there has been no news to 'jog' even the foggiest memory.

I hope for justice for Michelle and her baby and Cassie...hope is a postive and I am hanging on to that in this derth of no news.

Dominique,

Do the local channels in that area carry much news from the triangle area ? One thing I noticed about WRAL is that in reference to this murder they keep that picture of Michelle and JY up but one has to be looking for the information to find it. I also noticed that after each of the WRAL articles is a section for comments - even those are few so this does not seem to be that big of adeal even in the Raleigh area. Irs pretty quiet in the area of the murder - can't be much better a couple hundred miles away.

I wonder if the People article generated any kind of response or leads to WCSO. Hope so. I just can't believe that so little information has gotten out. No requests for information, not much of anything. I figured by now that some media outlet would pick up on the supposed questionnaires that are supposedly being passed out in the neighborhood, maybe kinda help LE by asking people to think it over again. Seems odd.

What are your favorite jelly beans ? Will send you some...

 

[scandi]

I read tht the People article had generated 3 comments. Haven't read them yet. And I like the black ones, please, and thanks very much!

 

[Barney Fife]

I read RPD (Barney's) blog about the autopsy findings. It is just about inconceivable to me that someone could beat a pregnant woman to death in this fashion. It seems like it took an incredible amount of strength, energy and rage to overkill Michelle in this fashion. Do you think the killer was enraged that Michelle wouldn't die and that she fought back? Sorry, but I believe that it is Jason's doing. I'd like to say that I hope that the killer is haunted by his actions. However, I'm not so sure that anyone capable of this type of overkill has a conscience.

ETA: I can't reconcile Jason hiring someone to kill Michelle for him. This murder seems way too personal.

The 'over kill" is what is so obvious when you see the photos.

If the killer started with the attempted strangulation (likely) and was kicked by MY 'where it counts" he could have become very angry. A quick blow to the mouth, breaking her jaw and teeth would immediately knock her silently to the floor where he continued his rage on the back and side of the head until she was quickly dead.

This person obviously was one that would fly off and become easily angered.

 

[raisincharlie]

I read tht the People article had generated 3 comments. Haven't read them yet. And I like the black ones, please, and thanks very much!

Well Scandi, I hope it raised some eyes and ears in the Virginia area - someone up that way has got to know something that may be useful. 3 comments - thats pretty sad.

You can have all of my black jelly beans luv - don't like licorice (can't spell it either) !:crazy: Hope you are feeling better.

 

[Dominique]

Dominique,

Do the local channels in that area carry much news from the triangle area ? One thing I noticed about WRAL is that in reference to this murder they keep that picture of Michelle and JY up but one has to be looking for the information to find it. I also noticed that after each of the WRAL articles is a section for comments - even those are few so this does not seem to be that big of adeal even in the Raleigh area. Irs pretty quiet in the area of the murder - can't be much better a couple hundred miles away.

I wonder if the People article generated any kind of response or leads to WCSO. Hope so. I just can't believe that so little information has gotten out. No requests for information, not much of anything. I figured by now that some media outlet would pick up on the supposed questionnaires that are supposedly being passed out in the neighborhood, maybe kinda help LE by asking people to think it over again. Seems odd.

What are your favorite jelly beans ? Will send you some...

No RC, no local updates on this story, not in print or evening news...we are far enough away and this in not yet a national story for our newsfeeds...sigh!. I have never seen anything like case, in terms of reporting and what info. we have...I feel that we need to look at what we DO have and use that to form the conclusions...of course you know, I believe JY was responsible but that is based on the little we DO know from news releases...LE is very careful to say what they mean to convey...no reading tea leaves in this case...just not enough tea to make a full pot yet but I am confident.

Thanks for asking about my fave jelly beans, I don't have big sweet tooth at all, to some of my close friend's consternation but I love tangy tangerine and the buttered popcorn ones! LL...save the orange ones for me!!!!

Btw, RC, I visit Asheville NC every week as that is where my sweetie lives *sigh, my sweetie, lol*...is very close to Brevard and yet no mention there of this either, even w/the fact of JY being there...just FYI.

All the best pal!

 

[jilly]

I'd like to say that I hope tht the killer is haunted by his actions. However, I'm not sure that anyone capable of this type of overkill has a conscience.

I read RPD (Barney's) blog about the autopsy findings. It is just about inconceivable to me that someone could beat a pregnant woman to death in this fashion. It seems like it took an incredible amount of strength, energy and rage to overkill Michelle in this fashion. Do you think the killer was enraged that Michelle wouldn't die and that she fought back? Sorry, but I believe that it is Jason's doing. I'd like to say that I hope that the killer is haunted by his actions. However, I'm not sure that anyone capable of this type of overkill has a conscience.

ETA: I can't reconcile Jason hiring someone to kill Michelle for him. This murder seems way too personal.

It's been posted that JY has been seen in Brevard and he looks distraught (or words to this effect). I believe this is a good sign that he may very well be haunted. Just a gut feeling.

Sounds to me that if JY did do this then it might be eating him up. This guy doesn't appear to be a cockey SP who continued afterwards to have the arrogance and audacity to go on prime time TV trying to convince us that he had "nothing to do with Laci's disappearance" all the while continuing to woo Amber.

Maybe he's smarter than SP but I just think there's a good possibility JY might go off the deep end. I guess we can hope.

 

[raisincharlie]

No RC, no local updates on this story, not in print or evening news...we are far enough away and this in not yet a national story for our newsfeeds...sigh!. I have never seen anything like case, in terms of reporting and what info. we have...I feel that we need to look at what we DO have and use that to form the conclusions...of course you know, I believe JY was responsible but that is based on the little we DO know from news releases...LE is very careful to say what they mean to convey...no reading tea leaves in this case...just not enough tea to make a full pot yet but I am confident.

Thanks for asking about my fave jelly beans, I don't have big sweet tooth at all, to some of my close friend's consternation but I love tangy tangerine and the buttered popcorn ones! LL...save the orange ones for me!!!!

Btw, RC, I visit Asheville NC every week as that is where my sweetie lives *sigh, my sweetie, lol*...is very close to Brevard and yet no mention there of this either, even w/the fact of JY being there...just FYI.

All the best pal!

Well I can tell you for sure - there is zero, zilch, nada here in the Show Me state ! Hopefully soon some answers will come. Funny that you mention this case is funny - I have never seen anything like this either - no leaks, no drips, no spills - it is absolutely amazing. Hope LE is as good at investigating as they are at being quiet! Time will come.

I can handle the tangerine - never had a buttered popcorn jelly bean though - sounds kinda eeeewwwweee to me ! Oranges one for you luv!

 

[raisincharlie]

I'd like to say that I hope tht the killer is haunted by his actions. However, I'm not sure that anyone capable of this type of overkill has a conscience.

It's been posted that JY has been seen in Brevard and he looks distraught (or words to this effect). I believe this is a good sign that he may very well be haunted. Just a gut feeling.

Sounds to me that if JY did do this then it might be eating him up. This guy doesn't appear to be a cockey SP who continued afterwards to have the arrogance and audacity to go on prime time TV trying to convince us that he had "nothing to do with Laci's disappearance" all the while continuing to woo Amber.

Maybe he's smarter than SP but I just think there's a good possibility JY might go off the deep end. I guess we can hope.

Whoa Jilly, remind me not to tick you off young lady !

 

[pack_fan]

I'm kinda interested to see where everyone is standing at this point so I'll go first. Guess the choices will be Jy did it alone, hired someone, or not involved in the slightest. I'll go first......

I have a hard time beleiving that he is not involved at all. Either he is involved in some way or this kid is the unluckiest guy alive. I think we all know the reasons surrounding the circumstantial evidence so I won't rehash.

Not sure I'm buying the hit either. Not that it doesn't happen but from a logical standpoint, JY had a good group of friends. Most were fairly well to do and stayed in close contact. A lot like my group of friends, and I'm not exactly sure where I could stop and ask someone to off my spouse. Also the overkill involved, this was a personal crime, imo. I thought from the very first day that it was either JY or someone who knew them very well. For example, nothing was done to the body to indicate sexual assault or mutilation or anything over the top, they just wanted her dead. I don't buy the missing jewelry theory as floated by some others. Sure, it may be gone, but that was not the reason that someone came in the house, imo.

I guess I would fall into the acted alone category. Too many things stand out. Opportunity being away, brutality, blood on the outside of his car and in the backseat, they wanted the photographs of him shortly after to look for distinguishing marks, and the one that stands out to me is the foot impressions. Jy has got some big da&^ feet and LE is not going to be mistaking his feet for those of MF. Personally, I don't think that forensic evidence is back and I'm not a concerned about the length of time as some others. People starting to assume that he didn't do it. The da in this case has got one shot to prosecute him. The guys over in Durham have set a good example of how not to go about it so I think that LE is being very methodical with this one. Crossing the t's and dotting the i's.

All jmo, of course.....

 

[jilly]

Whoa Jilly, remind me not to tick you off young lady !

Awww, RC - not to worry - you could never tick me off - it's just not in your nature!!!

See, this is what it's come to because of no information!!! :crazy: You're being subjected to my ESP.

 

[raisincharlie]

Pack_fan,

I am in exactly the same boat as you.

At this point in time, I believe that JY indeed killed his wife all by himself and with no assistance from anyone else. I am not sure if this was planned or was an event that went badly out of control. Still studying on that part. What points me to JY goes back to 3 months before the murder. In my opinion JY began distancing himself at that time - he changed jobs and other events occurred at that time as well which everyone knows so no need to expound.

I do not believe he attempted to truly strangle Michelle, I believe this was done to control her, nothing else. I believe the blows inflicted on her were extremely personal, her mouth and her mind were targets IMO. The shoulder was incidental IMO. The fact that Cassidy was in that house and unharmed as well as the presence of the dog tend to sway me away from an unknown person being in that house and committing this murder. The call to Meredith IMO was two fold - one to get Cassidy out of that house and safe ( I do believe he cared about the baby) and secondarily aimed at Meredith. I cannot explain this except to say that I believe there was considerable angst between JY and MF - just a gut feeling.

If there is jewelry missing from that house, JY took it and it, along with the murder weapon, are resting somewhere in a gorge or river in extreme western Virginia or Tennessee. Jmo.