Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 11

[pack_fan]

pack_fan,

This post caused me to study most of the evening and first thing this morning. It has led me to think if indeed the room was in disarray and there were things disturbed, over turned or broken, then Michelle was either up or at least awake and alerted to the fact someone entered the home. This would tend to be supported by the way she was clothed as well as what she did not have on - socks & shoes.

For me, if this is true - it pushes the hitman theory very far from my mind and pulls it very much closer to the opinion that Michelle knew her attacker and was able to inflict some damage in some form. It also makes it stronger in my mind that the murderer is indeed JY as no hitman is going to put up with it, or be so unprepared as to resort to bludgeoning, or arrive at a time when she may well be up. Now that my brain is fried for the rest of the day...:silenced:

The longer this goes on, the more confused I get RC. I also agree that she was awake or at least alerted before the perp got to her but the clothing doesn't tip me off one way or another. I can't speak for her sleeping habits nor the clothing she chose to wear. A TOD would be really helpful inserted (here), lol. There are tons of options that I can't discount. One being an 11 pm phone call that ended up in an arguement for whatever reason, infidelity for one. She could have been waiting up for him to arrive.

On the flip side, I also can't discount the fact that a stranger didn't get into the house and she was awakened by the dog. No one heard the dog bark or strange noises but not to say that it wasn't the case. The house is quite a distance from the neighbors. That being said, I'm not buying the hitman. I explained in an earlier post but I also think that bludgeoning is not the prefered method of killing someone, jmo of course.

So I guess that leaves me with JY or just some random sicko off the street. But, seems the only thing that has been "reported" stolen is the jewelry. If theft was the motive, seems they would have taken more. If theft was not the motive, they wouldn't have taken anything, imo.

Guess that leads me right back to where I started, JY.......

To steal a line from our good friend, JMO and all that stuff.

 

[raisincharlie]

The longer this goes on, the more confused I get RC. I also agree that she was awake or at least alerted before the perp got to her but the clothing doesn't tip me off one way or another. I can't speak for her sleeping habits nor the clothing she chose to wear. A TOD would be really helpful inserted (here), lol. There are tons of options that I can't discount. One being an 11 pm phone call that ended up in an arguement for whatever reason, infidelity for one. She could have been waiting up for him to arrive.

On the flip side, I also can't discount the fact that a stranger didn't get into the house and she was awakened by the dog. No one heard the dog bark or strange noises but not to say that it wasn't the case. The house is quite a distance from the neighbors. That being said, I'm not buying the hitman. I explained in an earlier post but I also think that bludgeoning is not the prefered method of killing someone, jmo of course.

So I guess that leaves me with JY or just some random sicko off the street. But, seems the only thing that has been "reported" stolen is the jewelry. If theft was the motive, seems they would have taken more. If theft was not the motive, they wouldn't have taken anything, imo.

Guess that leads me right back to where I started, JY.......

To steal a line from our good friend, JMO and all that stuff.

Have to laugh about your last line

I'll start with the random sicko off the street - naw - that person is going to pick a house with as few neighbors as possible or as far off the street as possible. From the aerial I see a house north and south of the Young home. The one to the south would have been better as there is only one neighbor.

About the dog - this gives me another pause for both a sicko and a hitman. The neighborhood may be spread out but at night, sound travels much better. The dog has always been a factor for me in looking at JY. I saw a picture of that dog kissing Cassidy in the memorial link - the dog may have been older but I have this very distinct feeling the dog would have been irrate with anyone over Cassidy - any argument or fight would have put this dog on edge - JMO, as I don't even know if the dog was in the house but I suspect it was.

I don't know what to make of an 11pm call - it could be true but I just have this feeling if it is true - JY was not that far away. Which brings me to some problems - JY could tell Fussell at Michelle's funeral he was in VA on a business trip - first I find this an odd conversation for a funeral - seems more like dressing the table so to speak. Fussell repeats this to the press but never says where in VA - I bet he was not told. Now comes the disturbing - zero leaks from anyone about where JY was other than Virginia - either he never told or no one is willing to say. If no one knows - then it says to me JY was definitely table setting. If someone knows or several know and no one is leaking it - it may be because it is within a very close proximity - 1.5 to 2 hours max away and that worries some. It seems to me the trip to Duffield was also table setting - get as far away as possible so LE will think he is too far away timewise. It will be interesting to know two things about the gas purchase in Duffield - what time and how much. One thing I know - if JY made it to Duffield from Raleigh without any other gas purchases - he was on fumes when he got there.

The Duffield gas purchase also makes me wonder two things - what time did JY leave and what time on the second did he buy gas at Handee Hugos 89. If the gas purchase was before that time, no problem, if the gas purchase was within half an hour of his departure time, still no problem. Two or more hours later I see as a problem. Then I wonder why no leak has occurred about what time he actually left and if anyone actually saw him. The absence of this time tends to make me believe he left before Michelle's company arrived. The earlier he has left, the more time he has to do whatever and make some meeting in Virginia - that is if there is one. Again no leaks.

This no leak stuff tells me either much of JYs story as told to friends is bull, or no one is talking. Given the wide circle of friends both Michelle and JY have - it seems entirely impossible to me that everyone has totally clamped shut and are not talking even amongst themselves. JMO

 

[nanandjim]

...I don't know what to make of an 11pm call - it could be true but I just have this feeling if it is true - JY was not that far away...

If Jason called Michelle at 11 p.m., it was to make sure that everyone had gone home. Of course, I can hear him saying that he is calling to say goodnight and casually asks if everyone has gone home.

As far as what Michelle was wearing, I used to wear sweats to bed. I don't know if she was in sweats or slacks. If she were wearing slacks, I'd be inclined to think that she was not quite ready for bed.

 

[raisincharlie]

If Jason called Michelle at 11 p.m., it was to make sure that everyone had gone home. Of course, I can hear him saying that he is calling to say goodnight and casually asks if everyone has gone home.

As far as what Michelle was wearing, I used to wear sweats to bed. I don't know if she was in sweats or slacks. If she were wearing slacks, I'd be inclined to think that she was not quite ready for bed.

Nanandjim,

It is unclear to me what kind of pants Michelle was wearing - the ME says a hooded sweatshirt zipped up, t-shirt, black pants and undies. Seems to me in ME speak - there is a difference between a sweatshirt and black pants. He knew what a sweat shirt was but the black pants don't seem to be sweat pants unless he does not know what sweat pants are. Maybe I am being too literal... there seems to be a difference IMO.

 

[Labrat]

Could it be black yoga pants? You wouldn't call them sweats, they're not slacks, they're more like lounge wear. Comfy, but more polished looking than sweat pants. I sleep in mine when it's cold.

 

[nanandjim]

Nanandjim,

It is unclear to me what kind of pants Michelle was wearing - the ME says a hooded sweatshirt zipped up, t-shirt, black pants and undies. Seems to me in ME speak - there is a difference between a sweatshirt and black pants. He knew what a sweat shirt was but the black pants don't seem to be sweat pants unless he does not know what sweat pants are. Maybe I am being too literal... there seems to be a difference IMO.

No, I agree. Black pants would have been described as black sweat pants, IMO. I am of the opinion that she hadn't gone to bed. She could have been doing things around the house or getting ready for bed; i. e., washing face, brushing teeth, etc.

I think that Jason, who has never murdered anyone, didn't realize how hard it would be to kill someone. I think that he thought that he would be able to spend a few seconds strangling her and that would be it, clean and easy.

If Jason committed the crime, which I believe that he did, I think that he may have worn a ski mask or something over his face to conceal his identity. I also bet Michelle recognized him as I would recognize my husband by his build and by just knowing him.

I think that Jason did mean to murder Michelle through strangulation. That's why she had fingernail scratches to her neck. I think that he probably used a rope or something other than his hands, not sure though. I believe that he may also have been wearing gloves.

He probably did come into the home, with a ski mask and a flashlight, to look like a burglar. I think that he probably shut his daughter's door with the dog inside her room. Then, he entered the master bedroom. He may have been surprised to see that Michelle was not in bed. However, I believe that there was a big, big struggle. I think that Michelle was stronger than Jason anticipated.

I think that there was blood everywhere; and that's why police got palm prints, foot prints, etc. I think that it would be very telling to see if Jason tried to clean up areas where there were hand and foot prints. To me, this would rule out a stranger killing (along with the other circumstances).

I can't believe that Jason could have wiped away all of the evidence because I can only imagine that there was blood everywhere because of the massive struggle and the massive overkill.

I have to believe that Jason spent a while in the home, cleaning himself and the crimescene the best that he could. I believe Jilly when she says that he looks distraught. He thought that it would going to be a clean and easy kill. Instead, it was lengthy and very messy. That would be an everloving nightmare that would be playing through my mind as well as worrying if and when the cops were going to arrest me.

I think that Jason premeditated this murder and that it was not precipitated by an argument. I think Jason was not happy and definitely did not want another child. He wanted out of this marriage, and he wanted everything else, too.

By that, I mean, he wanted no debt; he wanted the home; he wanted extra money from the life insurance. If it meant killing this woman that had trapped him into marriage in the first place, then so be it.

I think that Jason saw Michelle as superior to him in every way; and I think that Michelle probably called the shots in the marriage. I think that, over time, this really enraged Jason to the point that he finally did something about it.

 

[raisincharlie]

Could it be black yoga pants? You wouldn't call them sweats, they're not slacks, they're more like lounge wear. Comfy, but more polished looking than sweat pants. I sleep in mine when it's cold.

Possibility, or perhaps some kind of maternaty pants? Not much description of them in the AR. I'm sure the photos taken will define them. I can't make up my mind from the clothing described if she was in bed or still yet up and getting ready for bed - no shoes, no socks but in a sweatshirt and pants... I can't figure it.

 

[raisincharlie]

Nanandjim

I find myself mostly in agreement with you especially with respect to cause and effect. The clothing does throw me off though - not sure what to make of it.

 

[nanandjim]

Nanandjim

I find myself mostly in agreement with you especially with respect to cause and effect. The clothing does throw me off though - not sure what to make of it.

Okay, since LaBrat has described loungewear that can be worn to bed, I think that Michelle may have been in bed. This definitely would have been the ideal scenario for Jason. He probably wanted to enter and kill her quickly while she was asleep.

One of the reasons that I think JY is good for this crime is that he refuses to cooperate with police. There would be no reason whatsoever to do so unless you are involved in the crime. If he loved his wife, he would be at the police station trying to help them solve this crime. His actions after the fact speak for themselves, IMO.

Jason has the so-called perfect alibi. He wasn't home. I don't care if he was pretending to go to a business meeting, meeting a girlfriend, going to a strip club, or whatever. It wouldn't matter because, if he didn't do it, he could prove where he was.

I contend that he is scared to death to talk to police. I contend that he would be shaking uncontrollably and he is afraid that they will trip him up. Why is he so afraid? Because he is guilty. Just my opinion, though.

 

[raisincharlie]

Nanandjim,


One thing that bothers me about JY and convinces me of his involvement is the reaction his step father described - the falling to his knees. This bothers me because IMO it appears to be blind acceptance. Of course we do not know all of it but this aspect - something not right - one would have to be doing a lot of answering to me before I'm gonna fall down accepting such horrible news - more likely they would be in a car trying to chase me down on my way home. JMO

 

[Taximom]

Nanandjim,


One thing that bothers me about JY and convinces me of his involvement is the reaction his step father described - the falling to his knees. This bothers me because IMO it appears to be blind acceptance. Of course we do not know all of it but this aspect - something not right - one would have to be doing a lot of answering to me before I'm gonna fall down accepting such horrible news - more likely they would be in a car trying to chase me down on my way home. JMO

(my bold)

Raisin, this too has bothered me from the time I heard it. Of course, JY's stepdad may revise his statement later, who knows. I just saw another case (Corbin?) documented on TV where the hubby reacts rather casually upon hearing about the death of his wife. Funny, that guy was GUILTY! Well, it's not funny but you know what I mean.

Two snowdays here (well, "windchill" days) for the kids. O/T but I'm having fun teaching my kids how to file bills etc. It's nice when they get to the age when they can really help.

Shoot, I keep hoping for an arrest in this case. A good case takes time......

 

[curious1]

Could it be black yoga pants? You wouldn't call them sweats, they're not slacks, they're more like lounge wear. Comfy, but more polished looking than sweat pants. I sleep in mine when it's cold.

Hee, I refer to them as my lazy pants and I do sometimes sleep in them, like last night when it got down in the teens here. I am cold natured.

 

[jilly]

I contend that he is scared to death to talk to police. I contend that he would be shaking uncontrollably and he is afraid that they will trip him up. Why is he so afraid? Because he is guilty. Just my opinion, though.

I agree with you 100% Nan. If he was innocent he would at the very least arranged to do a walk through of the house to determine what was missing. By the way,RPD refreshed my memory - It was Tennisbuff at CTV that said JY has been seen in Brevard looking like a "zombie".

This is a guy, unlike others, who would be unable to fake it with LE.

 

[panthera]

Okay, since LaBrat has described loungewear that can be worn to bed, I think that Michelle may have been in bed. This definitely would have been the ideal scenario for Jason. He probably wanted to enter and kill her quickly while she was asleep.

One of the reasons that I think JY is good for this crime is that he refuses to cooperate with police. There would be no reason whatsoever to do so unless you are involved in the crime. If he loved his wife, he would be at the police station trying to help them solve this crime. His actions after the fact speak for themselves, IMO.

Jason has the so-called perfect alibi. He wasn't home. I don't care if he was pretending to go to a business meeting, meeting a girlfriend, going to a strip club, or whatever. It wouldn't matter because, if he didn't do it, he could prove where he was.

I contend that he is scared to death to talk to police. I contend that he would be shaking uncontrollably and he is afraid that they will trip him up. Why is he so afraid? Because he is guilty. Just my opinion, though.

I agree with you~ that she was in bed and thus the attempted strangulation. Then the struggle ensues and he starts beating her while she's still on the bed. As for him not speaking with police, yes, that is a sign of guilt in my opinion. He's not only not cooperating with LE, but also not showing any interest in finding who murdered his wife and unborn child. To me that speaks volumes.

 

[panthera]

Possibility, or perhaps some kind of maternaty pants? Not much description of them in the AR. I'm sure the photos taken will define them. I can't make up my mind from the clothing described if she was in bed or still yet up and getting ready for bed - no shoes, no socks but in a sweatshirt and pants... I can't figure it.

I'm not sure either, since I do think she was in bed when the attack began. It could be that she wore those clothes to bed, but would also be useful if we knew what she'd normally do when he was away. I'd also like to know if the blood on the bed was on the sheets or the bedspread/ comforter~ in other words, was the bedding turned down?

 

[nanandjim]

Nanandjim,


One thing that bothers me about JY and convinces me of his involvement is the reaction his step father described - the falling to his knees. This bothers me because IMO it appears to be blind acceptance. Of course we do not know all of it but this aspect - something not right - one would have to be doing a lot of answering to me before I'm gonna fall down accepting such horrible news - more likely they would be in a car trying to chase me down on my way home. JMO

Falling to his knees was contrived, IMO. It is something that he rehearsed in his mind. It tells me that he knew that she was dead. Wouldn't a normal person be stunned? I mean, he just left her. How on earth could she now be dead?? Wouldn't he have said to his stepfather, "What?? What do you mean?? Who did you talk to?? I need to call the police. I need to get home. What the hell happened???"

No, instead, he falls to his knees. Give me a break. I believe that there are other cases where this contrived, seemingly over-the-top reaction to just discovering the death of a loved one has been attributed to other guilty parties.

Did Jason immediately talk to the police? Did Jason rush home?? Did Jason ask about his child??

 

[panthera]

Falling to his knees was contrived, IMO. It is something that he rehearsed in his mind. It tells me that he knew that she was dead. Wouldn't a normal person be stunned? I mean, he just left her. How on earth could she now be dead?? Wouldn't he have said to his stepfather, "What?? What do you mean?? Who did you talk to?? I need to call the police. I need to get home. What the hell happened???"

No, instead, he falls to his knees. Give me a break. I believe that there are other cases where this contrived, seemingly over-the-top reaction to just discovering the death of a loved one has been attributed to other guilty parties.

Did Jason immediately talk to the police? Did Jason rush home?? Did Jason ask about his child??

It reminds me of a rehearsed reaction also. You're right, no questions asked (as far as we know) about what happened, was Cassidy hurt, etc.

 

[jilly]

Nanandjim,


One thing that bothers me about JY and convinces me of his involvement is the reaction his step father described - the falling to his knees. This bothers me because IMO it appears to be blind acceptance . Of course we do not know all of it but this aspect - something not right - one would have to be doing a lot of answering to me before I'm gonna fall down accepting such horrible news - more likely they would be in a car trying to chase me down on my way home. JMO

It does! The fact that he collapsed might even be more believable if MM wasn't in the picture (or anyone else).
Strange how we're supposed to believe JTF saying that Meredith's 911 call was staged and yet this guy falling to his knees is 'oh poor Jason'.

 

[scandi]

Thanks for the info Pack Fan about the struggle which confirms what Harrison said. I guess since there was only one cut on her thumb and an abraision on her right wrist I didn't see much there defensively.

But if JY was wounded as Harrison has intimated, if they discovered something in that full photo of him, hey, we wouldn't know about it anyway. Things like that they keep under their hats, so it is entirely possible he had some wound on his body.

Gees. too bad they don't release those photos. JUST KIDDING

 

[nanandjim]

It does! The fact that he collapsed might even be more believable if MM wasn't in the picture (or anyone else).
Strange how we're supposed to believe JTF saying that Meredith's 911 call was staged and yet this guy falling to his knees is 'oh poor Jason'.

Meredith's call was not staged. This JTF must think that he is talking to a room full of idiots. I am sure that the police in no way think that Meredith killed her sister. This in no way makes any sense whatsoever. I guess that someone who knew none of the facts might consider everyone a suspect, to include her sister.

I want to add that if Meredith were the murderer, I can guarantee you that she would not have come away from that battle unscathed.