Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 11

[panthera]

Meredith's call was not staged. This JTF must think that he is talking to a room full of idiots. I am sure that the police in no way think that Meredith killed her sister. This in no way makes any sense whatsoever. I guess that someone who knew none of the facts might consider everyone a suspect, to include her sister.

I want to add that if Meredith were the murderer, I can guarantee you that she would not have come away from that battle unscathed.

I can't imagine anyone seriously believing that Meredith had anything to do with her sister's death. Don't they remember that it was Jason who called her asking her to go to the house? And what would be her motive?

 

[nanandjim]

...what would be her motive?

Uh...that she was pi$$ed off that Michelle was there and she wasted a car ride...Oh wait, Michelle's estimated TOD was between 12 a.m. and 6 a.m. So, scratch that thought....

 

[panthera]

Uh...that she was pi$$ed off that Michelle was there and she wasted a car ride...Oh wait, Michelle's estimated TOD was between 12 a.m. and 6 a.m. So, scratch that thought....

Yes I see you feel this is a ridiculous theory also.

 

[Barney Fife]

I can't imagine anyone seriously believing that Meredith had anything to do with her sister's death. Don't they remember that it was Jason who called her asking her to go to the house? And what would be her motive?

JTF wants us to believe MF bludgeoned her sister to death for the jewelry and that she was "obsessed with Cassidy"......yea right

 

[panthera]

JTF wants us to believe MF bludgeoned her sister to death for the jewelry and that she was "obsessed with Cassidy"......yea right

I read the posts. JTF must be a close friend of JY, imo.

 

[concernedperson]

JTF wants us to believe MF bludgeoned her sister to death for the jewelry and that she was "obsessed with Cassidy"......yea right

Don't these people understand that the farther they go out with outlandish remarks that their "friend" faces more dire circumstances? More available for civil lawsuits if nothing else. Oops, his folks may have to pony up. I wonder how they feel about that and if their pocketbooks could lose that much change?

This is serious business and someone who perpetrates myths or slander could have a hell of lot to deal with down the road. Wouldn't wanna be them.

 

[Darlene733510]

I wonder who much the jewelry that was taken is worth, and if JY as filed an insurance claim on it.

 

[Dominique]

Great Post PacFan. I'm with you.

I know I was robbed once and the burglar took a suitcase out of my closet and dumped the jewellry from the drawers in the case. He didn't take the drawers!! He took anything else of value such as electronics as well.

Nothing else was taken apparently at the Youngs'.

In posting this you have spurred a thougt..if valuable jewelry is missing and nothing else, once again, to me and my opinon only, it verifies that this was personal, against Michelle...it would have been her valuable jewelry..no items of anyone else's have even been alleged to be missing. Victimizing the victim by taking object she valued or that were valuable to her. A robbery gone wrong would result in other things being taken, unless perhaps Michelle had the Crown Jewels, unbeknowst to anyone! Correct me if I am wrong but most robbers just want to get the goods and go, most B&E's don't end in murder.

Ahhh, I an just frustrated and rambling. Po' me, not having any new news in this case and resorting to just bla bla bla

 

[5bigfish5]

Personally,

I have about had it with this case.

I realize that the ONLY logical reason that the Fisher family is not speaking out, is because the WCSD has led them to believe that they have nothing to gain by doing so.

Question comes to mind, when do they tell them to STUFF it! AND demand to see Cassidy. I would. It has already been 3 months. Is there some magic month? 6 months, 8 months, or 2 years, what are we realistically looking at here? So frustrating!

____ or get off the pot, I would want to see my granddaughter. Times a wasting!

Given what I believe to be true, combined with JY's attitude and keeping my grandchild from me, the WCSD would be the least of his worries.

You can take that to the bank!

God Bless The Fisher Family!

 

[jilly]

In posting this you have spurred a thougt..if valuable jewelry is missing and nothing else, once again, to me and my opinon only, it verifies that this was personal, against Michelle...it would have been her valuable jewelry..no items of anyone else's have even been alleged to be missing. Victimizing the victim by taking object she valued or that were valuable to her. A robbery gone wrong would result in other things being taken, unless perhaps Michelle had the Crown Jewels, unbeknowst to anyone! Correct me if I am wrong but most robbers just want to get the goods and go, most B&E's don't end in murder.

Ahhh, I an just frustrated and rambling. Po' me, not having any new news in this case and resorting to just bla bla bla

I'm frustrated too! This thing about the jewellry has been put out by JYs camp. If there was jewellry taken then it could be they're making it out to be a robbery gone wrong. I think it's more sinister (as Scout [I think] said at CTV). Frame the sister. Maybe there was some resentment there about inherited jewellry and they're running with this. It appears their first attempt at implicating the sister didn't have the result they were hoping.

You're right. A robber just wants to get in, grab what he needs and get out. If he's caught in the act, I would think he'd want to get away from that person not take the time to bludgeon them to death. So the robbery gone wrong just doesn't fit here for me.

 

[BarnGoddess]

I did google and contrary to what some of those on CTV said, I don't think that NC would deny a petition by Michelle's mother to have visitiation. The courts would allow visitiation if petitioned and she was fit.

 

[scandi]

I wonder who much the jewelry that was taken is worth, and if JY as filed an insurance claim on it.

Hi Darlene, I think the value of the jewelry might be overstated and more sentimental in value. What gives me this clue is the one who gave us this info was putting out red herrings to steer posters off course from the truth. It amazes me how so many intelligent posters are buying this tripe. We could start a list of all the things he has put out there that have not been what we have learned.

Don't forget, in the first TV interview of Sheriff Harrison he said there was no burglary. If they were keeping this under wraps, I don't think he'd even mention it.

 

[crimeq]

Check out the suntetsu--note knurls, RING (could account for crescent mark on shoulder), easy to carry-hide-use:

http://www.sakuramartialarts.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=wea-0512-a1&Click=8

Then go to this link for more information about how it's used and the damage it can inflict (can break the jawbone with one smack). Scroll down about 1/4 way through the page to the header "Enter the Suntetsu".

http://www.donrearic.com/koppostick2.html

I found this information last night and have emailed it to Donnie Harrison. Would love your thoughts on this as a possible murder weapon in this case.

This weapon would be known to someone involved in martial arts.

"You can grab, palm slap (which is a vicious jawbreaker and might break a clavicle as well with the Suntetsu or Koppo Stick…) as well as strike with hammerfist or reverse hammerfist. The Suntetsu can spear naturally when rotated to that position; not something easily accomplished with the two-finger loop of the Koppo Stick."

 

[Bee Charmer]

No, I agree. Black pants would have been described as black sweat pants, IMO. I am of the opinion that she hadn't gone to bed. She could have been doing things around the house or getting ready for bed; i. e., washing face, brushing teeth, etc.

I think that Jason, who has never murdered anyone, didn't realize how hard it would be to kill someone. I think that he thought that he would be able to spend a few seconds strangling her and that would be it, clean and easy.

If Jason committed the crime, which I believe that he did, I think that he may have worn a ski mask or something over his face to conceal his identity. I also bet Michelle recognized him as I would recognize my husband by his build and by just knowing him.

I think that Jason did mean to murder Michelle through strangulation. That's why she had fingernail scratches to her neck. I think that he probably used a rope or something other than his hands, not sure though. I believe that he may also have been wearing gloves.

He probably did come into the home, with a ski mask and a flashlight, to look like a burglar. I think that he probably shut his daughter's door with the dog inside her room. Then, he entered the master bedroom. He may have been surprised to see that Michelle was not in bed. However, I believe that there was a big, big struggle. I think that Michelle was stronger than Jason anticipated.

I think that there was blood everywhere; and that's why police got palm prints, foot prints, etc. I think that it would be very telling to see if Jason tried to clean up areas where there were hand and foot prints. To me, this would rule out a stranger killing (along with the other circumstances).

I can't believe that Jason could have wiped away all of the evidence because I can only imagine that there was blood everywhere because of the massive struggle and the massive overkill.

I have to believe that Jason spent a while in the home, cleaning himself and the crimescene the best that he could. I believe Jilly when she says that he looks distraught. He thought that it would going to be a clean and easy kill. Instead, it was lengthy and very messy. That would be an everloving nightmare that would be playing through my mind as well as worrying if and when the cops were going to arrest me.

I think that Jason premeditated this murder and that it was not precipitated by an argument. I think Jason was not happy and definitely did not want another child. He wanted out of this marriage, and he wanted everything else, too.

By that, I mean, he wanted no debt; he wanted the home; he wanted extra money from the life insurance. If it meant killing this woman that had trapped him into marriage in the first place, then so be it.

I think that Jason saw Michelle as superior to him in every way; and I think that Michelle probably called the shots in the marriage. I think that, over time, this really enraged Jason to the point that he finally did something about it.

I agree with you and I will add that I think he believed that little Cassidy would sleep through everything. That may have been an incorrect belief, imo. Perhaps he stayed until Cassidy went back to sleep and that is when he concocted the story of the printout.

 

[Samiya]

A copy of a post I just made in ctv about Jason checking VM's.


What if Meredith rang him back and said (either in person or via VM) "I can't get over there til my lunch break.........but I'll try and get over there earlier"

He'd definitely be checking VM's then wouldn't he

Sami

"Hey Bee Charmer!!" hugs!

 

[Barney Fife]

If you think JY was the killer at the house that night, there are 2 scenarios

1- He came back to finish an argument and he lost total control and killed MY.

2- He carefully planned & premeditated the murder and came in the house
undetected and killed her.

If #1, the lights were probably on and it would not be very late , 12 am ? After trying to choke her to death (nearly succeeded with this hemorrhaged neck muscles), he then beat her to death with what ? The weapon would have to be right there in the room ready to go in an instant. Mag Lite on the bed side table ? Possible, but not probable.

if #2, he would sneak into a dark yard, dark house and DARK BEDROOM using the mag-lit,a very practical dual purpose tool and "back up" murder weapon. Also, #2 is backed up by the $1mm policy and the girl friend motive. Again, I say "back up" because I think strangulation was the intended manner of death.

I am going for #2 scenario, as I think #1 would leave a pile of evidence where JY would be charged long ago. Also, the sheriff said 12 am to 6 am, with 3 am falling in the middle. My guess is TOD is closer to this mid time and they want 3 hours before and 3 hours behind to ask the public if they saw anything.
(rectal temp , rigor and livor at 2 pm Friday would give them a tighter TOD than 12 am to 6 am.)

I am still thinking there could easily be a 3rd party hired killer here that "fell into his lap" and he did not have to go asking questions and risk a trail. However, If those "dark spots" consistent with blood are in fact blood on/in the SUV , I think scenario #2 and JY was no doubt the killer. It will be interesting to see if this was "blood" or simply mud or something else. After all, this info was probable cause for a search warrant and if there was "any chance" it was blood, they would want the SUV immediatly.

 

[close_enough]

Check out the suntetsu--note knurls, RING (could account for crescent mark on shoulder), easy to carry-hide-use:

http://www.sakuramartialarts.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=wea-0512-a1&Click=8

Then go to this link for more information about how it's used and the damage it can inflict (can break the jawbone with one smack). Scroll down about 1/4 way through the page to the header "Enter the Suntetsu".

http://www.donrearic.com/koppostick2.html

I found this information last night and have emailed it to Donnie Harrison. Would love your thoughts on this as a possible murder weapon in this case.

This weapon would be known to someone involved in martial arts.

"You can grab, palm slap (which is a vicious jawbreaker and might break a clavicle as well with the Suntetsu or Koppo Stick…) as well as strike with hammerfist or reverse hammerfist. The Suntetsu can spear naturally when rotated to that position; not something easily accomplished with the two-finger loop of the Koppo Stick."

oh my!!

do we know if JY was involved in martial arts??..i haven't heard that, & unless someone is in the 'know', seems these weapons would be hard to use without at least SOME knowledge....

interesting though...thanks for posting this!

 

[j2mirish]

If you think JY was the killer at the house that night, there are 2 scenarios

1- He came back to finish an argument and he lost total control and killed MY.

2- He carefully planned & premeditated the murder and came in the house
undetected and killed her.

If #1, the lights were probably on and it would not be very late , 12 am ? After trying to choke her to death (nearly succeeded with this hemorrhaged neck muscles), he then beat her to death with what ? The weapon would have to be right there in the room ready to go in an instant. Mag Lite on the bed side table ? Possible, but not probable.

if #2, he would sneak into a dark yard, dark house and DARK BEDROOM using the mag-lit,a very practical dual purpose tool and "back up" murder weapon. Also, #2 is backed up by the $1mm policy and the girl friend motive. Again, I say "back up" because I think strangulation was the intended manner of death.

I am going for #2 scenario, as I think #1 would leave a pile of evidence where JY would be charged long ago. Also, the sheriff said 12 am to 6 am, with 3 am falling in the middle. My guess is TOD is closer to this mid time and they want 3 hours before and 3 hours behind to ask the public if they saw anything.
(rectal temp , rigor and livor at 2 pm Friday would give them a tighter TOD than 12 am to 6 am.)

I am still thinking there could easily be a 3rd party hired killer here that "fell into his lap" and he did not have to go asking questions and risk a trail. However, If those "dark spots" consistent with blood are in fact blood on/in the SUV , I think scenario #2 and JY was no doubt the killer. It will be interesting to see if this was "blood" or simply mud or something else. After all, this info was probable cause for a search warrant and if there was "any chance" it was blood, they would want the SUV immediatly.

i'd have to go with #2 with ya- must have been VERY CAREFULLY planned, with no arrest to date-- :doh:

 

[raisincharlie]

Check out the suntetsu--note knurls, RING (could account for crescent mark on shoulder), easy to carry-hide-use:

http://www.sakuramartialarts.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=wea-0512-a1&Click=8

Then go to this link for more information about how it's used and the damage it can inflict (can break the jawbone with one smack). Scroll down about 1/4 way through the page to the header "Enter the Suntetsu".

http://www.donrearic.com/koppostick2.html

I found this information last night and have emailed it to Donnie Harrison. Would love your thoughts on this as a possible murder weapon in this case.

This weapon would be known to someone involved in martial arts.

"You can grab, palm slap (which is a vicious jawbreaker and might break a clavicle as well with the Suntetsu or Koppo Stick…) as well as strike with hammerfist or reverse hammerfist. The Suntetsu can spear naturally when rotated to that position; not something easily accomplished with the two-finger loop of the Koppo Stick."

Crimeq,

I'm not qualified or even well versed about relating murder weapons to drawings on an AR but to me this weapon appears too small. Given the advertised capacity to break bones I would think we would have seen more "structural damage" rather than lacerations. Seems to me it could have done the damage to the jaw but I'm not sure about all the lacerations. For some reason I picture something a bit larger. As I said, I'm not well versed so take this opinion in that context please.

I noted on CTV you had commented on the Tuesday thread about JTF being JY's sister. I was intrigued by that and responded, however that thread will soon be locked and I would like to understand why you think that. Would you mind looking near the end of the Tuesday thread for my response and then come back so we can discuss ? TIA

 

[close_enough]

A copy of a post I just made in ctv about Jason checking VM's.


What if Meredith rang him back and said (either in person or via VM) "I can't get over there til my lunch break.........but I'll try and get over there earlier"

He'd definitely be checking VM's then wouldn't he

Sami

"Hey Bee Charmer!!" hugs!

i know on my phone, it gives me a little 'thingy' up in the corner of the screen that lets me know i have a voice message.....why would a person need to keep actually "checking" it???....either he had VM or he didn't....i would think most, if not all, cell phones have this 'thingy' (not sure what to call it) to show there's VM waiting.....

him checking his VM frequently just sounds stupid to me.....