Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 11

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  • #521
scandi said:
Panthera, you said " . . .What might possibly seal it for him is that there may not be anyone else's present which should be after such a vicious attack."

I agree, and it might come down to no evidence is evidence he did it.

You also said "Scenario #2 and he did it himself. The mag-lite still looks to be a good possibility for the weapon. This doesn't look like a hired killer to me with the attempted strangulation.

Barney, I'm taking the #2 position at this time for these reasons above. Your post was well put together and sorted it out well. Thanks.

Crimeq, you said "Hi Panthera, I have felt all along that the "backlog" was an excuse thrown out early on to buy some time."

I also agree with that. Harrison said 'about two months' in that link, said I believe on Dec 4th. That is why we expected info out by the first part of Feb. Since we have heard nothing yet, I agree with you that it was a general excuse for more time.

I'm still cogitating on your weapon idea. I would think LE would ban weapons like this. In Oregon it is against the law to have numchucks or brass knuckles. Also red dot lasar flashlights. If you get caught with any of these, it's downtown baby, and the cops don't mince around. Now it could be that is a City ordinance here in Portland and not statewide, but interesting nevertheless.

Back to work!

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Hi, thanks Scandi! I've been lurking for a long time and finally decided to register (what I need is one more place to post!).

One of the reasons the suntetsu trainer gave for everybody having this weapon is that it's not automatically recognized as a weapon. He has his on his keychain. He said once when going through airport security, he was relieved of his pocket knife, something else metal (can't remember), but his sunstetsu went through w/o problem (he may have had one of the synthetic material ones, not the metal one). He said "everybody" should have one of these, that it's one of the best forms of protection to have and easy to use. The suntetsu has been a major weapon in Japanese martial arts for centuries, and the trainer said, simply, hundreds of years of use don't lie.
 
  • #522
jilly said:
RC Good morning! Afternoon to you!

I think it was you that mentioned certain things which JTF has posted could only be known to the murderer, MF & LE.

Can you please refresh my memory! What time did LE meet up with JY at Meredith's on the 3rd, is it known? I know sw's were slapped on them for the vehicle & contents. But then the vehicle wasn't impounded until 4am the following day.

Since the vehicle was still at Meredith's at that time, was he not allowed to move it before they impounded it? I'm just confused on this part.

I'm just basically wondering what JY & family did when they met up with LE. Suppose they all went to a hotel but I'm wondering if JY stayed at Meredith's with Cassidy. If not, I'm wondering if they talked at all, or did MF just hand over Cass. Things like the clothing MY was wearing. Of course he already knew (if he did it) but it would give him a reason for knowing if you know what I mean.
speaking of refreshing memories or facts.....:rolleyes: can someone tell me when jy actually got back to his house? another question.....did he request to go to the morgue? I know that sounds morbid- but I was just curious, and if he did want to go, would he have been allowed?
 
  • #523
Hi J2mirish, I remember reading JY never returned to his house as it was a crime scene and only authorized personnel would have access.

The only thing I heard reported that he did in Raleigh is park his car at MF's, go to the funeral and visited her grave that following Friday.
 
  • #524
jilly said:
RC Good morning! Afternoon to you!

I think it was you that mentioned certain things which JTF has posted could only be known to the murderer, MF & LE.

Can you please refresh my memory! What time did LE meet up with JY at Meredith's on the 3rd, is it known? I know sw's were slapped on them for the vehicle & contents. But then the vehicle wasn't impounded until 4am the following day.

Since the vehicle was still at Meredith's at that time, was he not allowed to move it before they impounded it? I'm just confused on this part.

I'm just basically wondering what JY & family did when they met up with LE. Suppose they all went to a hotel but I'm wondering if JY stayed at Meredith's with Cassidy. If not, I'm wondering if they talked at all, or did MF just hand over Cass. Things like the clothing MY was wearing. Of course he already knew (if he did it) but it would give him a reason for knowing if you know what I mean.
Jilly,

Going by the search warrant - JY returned sometime before midnight on the 3rd - no way really to figure out how long before midnight and I do not recall anything in print that gives that time.

Again from the warrant for the SUV - it indicates the vehicle was being detained while at Meredtih's until Major Johnson got there which was just after midnight on the 4th. JY and family would NOT have had access to the vehicle once it was officially detained. After Johnson's inspection he had to return to write the warrant and to hunt down a magistrate to sign it - 4 hours is pretty good but yes at 4am the vehicle would have been removed from the location.

No idea what transpired while JY and family would have been there-have heard zip about it. Wish Ihad better answers for you.:)
 
  • #525
crimeq said:
Hi RC, I read everything I could find online about the weapon when I discovered it the other night. It's extremely versatile--can scrape, break bones, punch holes, press on pressure points. (One of the training sites recommended everyone have this--it's small, easy to handle/use (closed inside the fist, it turns a fist into a very hard hit), doesn't require a lot of training to use. The trainer suggested everyone have one as a keychain, even, because they are so effective (they have light-weight ones of some synthetic material that still do the job). Anyway, after reading all I could, I came to the conclusion this weapon could have caused all the wounds to Michelle. Hits on the back of the head with the weapon may not cause skull fractures (we have hard heads, lol) but would certainly lacerate the skin and tear it with the knurling.

What stood out greatly was the ring. The suntetsu is held in the palm of the hand and the ring attaches over one finger, so the ring is on the outside. This allows the weapon to be rotated to various positions in the palm. The perp could have held the weapon in his fist and punched, struck Michelle in the shoulder (perhaps she was standing when he arrived, or tried to get up early in the attack). RPD said there was a lot of bruising around the crescent shaped mark. This weapon, in a closed fist, would deliver massive blows and the ring would be on the outside of the fist--leaving a crescent shaped mark.

Something else that intrigued me is that this weapon is sometimes used with pressure point techniques (the weapon can be used to press on those points). What if the perp wasn't strangling Michelle, but pressing on a pressure point on her neck to gain control of her so he could position her and deliver that first smack to the mouth? Possible, I think. I don't know what damage murderous pressure on a pressure point would do to strap muscles in the neck, but I would think that may be caused by Michelle's straining to resist. (If this is the case, it throws strangulation as first choice out the window, and the killer came prepared to bludgeon her to death with this weapon--fast and furiously).

I have chills about this weapon, after all I read about it (though still thinking about getting one for my keychain--I walk a lot!).

From what I read, there are relatively few distributors of this weapon in the US, which may make tracing purchases easier, especially if the were made online or by mail order.

It also occurred to me that this could be a weapon of choice for a hitman--easy to carry, easy to use, deadly. I'm not sold on the hitman theory but it is one possible scenario.

RE: JY's sister being JTF--I was agreeing that it was a possibility. I highly doubt she is involved. I'll go out on a limb and say that I think JTF is Rhett Fussell. My own opinion, obviously.

Thanks for your reply!
Crimeq,

This is definitely a fascinating weapon and I wish I could carry on an intelligent conversation with you about it but as previously mentioned I am simply not versed. Funny I follow some of these hateful murders but when it comes to the details of the murder - I get pretty quiet- brain just does not want to go there. I'm sure you will get some responses from others who definitely have the knowledge to converse with you on a higher level.

As to JTF - I don't much care to know who it is - I just want to know it is not the murderer as I have carried on a small conversation with this person, not pleasant but just the same,
 
  • #526
scandi said:
Panthera, you said " . . .What might possibly seal it for him is that there may not be anyone else's present which should be after such a vicious attack."

I agree, and it might come down to no evidence is evidence he did it.

You also said "Scenario #2 and he did it himself. The mag-lite still looks to be a good possibility for the weapon. This doesn't look like a hired killer to me with the attempted strangulation.

Barney, I'm taking the #2 position at this time for these reasons above. Your post was well put together and sorted it out well. Thanks.

Crimeq, you said "Hi Panthera, I have felt all along that the "backlog" was an excuse thrown out early on to buy some time."

I also agree with that. Harrison said 'about two months' in that link, said I believe on Dec 4th. That is why we expected info out by the first part of Feb. Since we have heard nothing yet, I agree with you that it was a general excuse for more time.
It looks like we agree, Scandi! Barney did have an excellent post about the scenarios and I totally discount #1 after reading through it. It appears the rage set in when he couldn't successfully strangle her and she fought back.
 
  • #527
raisincharlie said:
Crimeq,

This is definitely a fascinating weapon and I wish I could carry on an intelligent conversation with you about it but as previously mentioned I am simply not versed. Funny I follow some of these hateful murders but when it comes to the details of the murder - I get pretty quiet- brain just does not want to go there. I'm sure you will get some responses from others who definitely have the knowledge to converse with you on a higher level.

As to JTF - I don't much care to know who it is - I just want to know it is not the murderer as I have carried on a small conversation with this person, not pleasant but just the same,
Hi RC, I understand about the weapon. I'm not normally conversant about weapons either, but I did read everything I could find about this one--stayed up all night--and scared myself silly. I had chills and awful visions when I finally went to bed. My boyfriend wondered a lot about me when I first started reading the crime forums--one day he asked me why I would want to live with all the gore of murders. I explained to him that we don't wallow in gore--we are interested in the who, what, when, where and why--yes, we know the how, but it's not the focus of most of our conversations on the boards.

I don't really care who JTF is either (though of course I would like to know!) but I think JTF does bring information to the boards that is something other than we know from other sources, even if the information seems couched in riddles.
 
  • #528
Thinking Crimeq, about your new found weapon, I'm wondering if a yuppie like JY would even know about a weapon like this. If he were Oriental yes, Middle Eastern, maybe.

I've also been thinking about her shoulder wound. Barney said it was quite defined. I interpreted that meant a coroner could use it to determine an exact weapon if it fit into the wound. Now would this ring be big enough to fit?

Also, from what I think I have learned here :rolleyes: that cut on the left side of her jaw was most likely made as the weapon glanced off on it's way to hit her shoulder. Would that be possible with thie thingamejig? It was an exceptional find on your part sweetie, and for one thing, analyzing it makes us focus on what the weapon could really have been. That is something we want to know, as it will lead to the most important thing - premeditation or not IMHO With everything I know, JY killed her.
 
  • #529
Hehe. I decided to do a little sleuthing. I'm wondering if JY has horse shoes up his butt or if anybody saw him the nite he stayed at the Hampton.

I phoned our local Inn and asked about security. Apparently, they have cameras at the lobby & all exits. I pushed it a little further and asked about whether there were cameras on the parking lot. She asked me why I wanted to know and I told her my mother was planning on staying there & is a little nervous about leaving her car. She said she wasn't supposed to divulge any info about their security.

I asked about cameras on the cars. And she nervously giggled and said, "well I'm not supposed to talk about this "but I can assure you, we are very secure."

So! If this is the case with all Hamptons, I guess if JY did stay there & leave, LE would have that surveillance tape. We can only hope.
 
  • #530
jilly said:
Hehe. I decided to do a little sleuthing. I'm wondering if JY has horse shoes up his butt or if anybody saw him the nite he stayed at the Hampton.

I phoned our local Inn and asked about security. Apparently, they have cameras at the lobby & all exits. I pushed it a little further and asked about whether there were cameras on the parking lot. She asked me why I wanted to know and I told her my mother was planning on staying there & is a little nervous about leaving her car. She said she wasn't supposed to divulge any info about their security.

I asked about cameras on the cars. And she nervously giggled and said, "well I'm not supposed to talk about this "but I can assure you, we are very secure."

So! If this is the case with all Hamptons, I guess if JY did stay there & leave, LE would have that surveillance tape. We can only hope.
You are tricky Ms. Jilly - lets hope this is the case...

If anyone is interested WRAL news this evening ran a story about bloggers on the Michelle Young case. Kind of interesting but more interesting are the comments by DA Willoughby

http://www.wral.com/

Click on more videos (on the right) then click on Channel A as it is the rerun of the early news. I suspect this will change with the late news - so if you want to see it - check it soon.

ETA - they do livestreaming of their news reports.

Jilly I have stayed at several Hamptons - yes they have parking lot security as well as entrance exit security - at least in the larger areas - not sure about smaller locales.
 
  • #531
Thanks, RC, for the link.

Well, LOL, that confirms RPD is not a female PD officer as a certain someone was suggesting. ;)
 
  • #532
scandi said:
Hi J2mirish, I remember reading JY never returned to his house as it was a crime scene and only authorized personnel would have access.

The only thing I heard reported that he did in Raleigh is park his car at MF's, go to the funeral and visited her grave that following Friday.
thanks Scandi--
 
  • #533
RC, interesting and thanks. I don't think LE is letting anyone off the hook right now.

Did anyone notice the next video of a woman who was beat to death by her boyfriend? She lay there for days with broken arms and leg and then died at the hospital. That man was charged with murder.
 
  • #534
raisincharlie~

Thanks for the link to WRAL. I'd just found it and was going to post it too. :D We're amongst famous people!
 
  • #535
concernedperson said:
RC, interesting and thanks. I don't think LE is letting anyone off the hook right now.

Did anyone notice the next video of a woman who was beat to death by her boyfriend? She lay there for days with broken arms and leg and then died at the hospital. That man was charged with murder.

That, leaving that woman for four days with all those injuries, is majorly sick and cruel - sometimes I seriously wish our justice system would invoke similar punishment - this guy needs to have the stuff beat out of him and left to die just as he left her IMO.
 
  • #536
raisincharlie said:
That, leaving that woman for four days with all those injuries, is majorly sick and cruel - sometimes I seriously wish our justice system would invoke similar punishment - this guy needs to have the stuff beat out of him and left to die just as he left her IMO.
I cant even begin to comprehend-- her brother said the nurse at the hospital told him there is no such drug that would take away the pain she had to be in 4 days later- 2 broken forearms, and a broken leg, kidneys then started to shut down---:behindbar
the torture........dear Lord Almighty.......I just cant comprehend
 
  • #537
raisincharlie said:
Jilly I have stayed at several Hamptons - yes they have parking lot security as well as entrance exit security - at least in the larger areas - not sure about smaller locales.

I should have known just to ask you in the first place! :D Ahhh well...this is good to know. It gives me hope again.

Thanks for the link. I think this is just great and I agree with a poster over a CTV - RPD caused the media to focus on the case again this week. Barney!! Well done!
 
  • #538
jilly said:
I should have known just to ask you in the first place! :D Ahhh well...this is good to know. It gives me hope again.

Thanks for the link. I think this is just great and I agree with a poster over a CTV - RPD caused the media to focus on the case again this week. Barney!! Well done!

i 2nd this....well done Barney!!....at least it got the case back into the news!
 
  • #539
close_enough said:
i 2nd this....well done Barney!!....at least it got the case back into the news!
Is everyone ready for another angry epistle from JTF - not going to like what she saw on TV last night...:crazy:

ETA - I wonder why the press is spending time on this angle rather than out doing some real investigative work for articles to keep this story in the news ? Why is the press avoiding the real substance of this case ?
 
  • #540
raisincharlie said:
Is everyone ready for another angry epistle from JTF - not going to like what she saw on TV last night...:crazy:

ETA - I wonder why the press is spending time on this angle rather than out doing some real investigative work for articles to keep this story in the news ? Why is the press avoiding the real substance of this case ?
JTF has already reappeared as another poster, imo, but I think a little shaken up after the story on RPD last night. Check for yourself.....

I would like to see this case investigated more thoroughly as well but since LE is keeping their information so close to the chest, I can't imagine what they would be looking for. JY and his family are not going to talk, I doubt SM or MM would be lining up to give interviews, maybe the Fisher family, but if they have inside information, I suspect that LE has asked them to keep quiet as well. Unfortunately, I think we are going to have to wait this one out until an arrest is made.

What would you suggest to them?
 
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