Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 12

[jilly]

Jilly

Many of the Hampton Inn's are Franchise owned. I know I have stayed in the 'nicer' ones that had cameras. I also know I have stayed in some that did not.

If JY premeditated this and drove back, I would guess he chose one with no cameras and had plenty of cash for a gas stop.

I would say that's a good guess. Thanks for responding.

 

[raisincharlie]

gojo is on CTV talking about rereading "silence of the Lambs". This character is quite a case indeed. I guess he wants us to assume he is RF with his cryptic clues.....geez

I'm thinking sooner or later he will end up trying to lead the flock to the same point JTF made - it was Meredith. For some reason the JY supporters have a real problem with Meredith. I'm wondering what it is that she must obviously know, and they know she knows, that threatens them so much.

 

[raisincharlie]

Imo - he threw that scrap out about MM being pregnant to gain credibility. Now that he has it - he's toying - thinks he's smarter than everyone. Only a smart a$$ imo.

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I don't think they live in Brevard and I think there is little difference between gojo and JTF - just a calmer approach as the angry cryptic one wasn't making a difference. Now you have the calmer playful cryptic one, thats all. Toying ? - that's what they have been doing from the begining IMO although they obviously have a vested interest.

 

[Barney Fife]

IMO - he threw that scrap out about MM being pregnant to gain credibility. Now that he has it - he's toying - thinks he's smarter than everyone. Only a smart a$$ IMO.

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I don't think they live in Bereaved and I think there is little difference between goo and JD - just a calmer approach as the angry cryptic one wasn't making a difference. Now you have the calmer playful cryptic one, thats all. Toying ? - that's what they have been doing from the beginning IMO although they obviously have a vested interest.

Yep....Brevard, computer non-savvy, male. Sick humor for someone that is very close to JY. Wait a minute ! Sounds more and more like the JY that swallowed the ring...a sick puppy indeed.

 

[fran]

I haven't been following this case for awhile as LE seems to be doing nothing or is incognito in their investigation. Please excuse me if this has already been discussed. I know there's a thread about the autopsy, but it's soooo loonggg.

I just read a copy of the autopsy report and it said there was a bag with several of her missing teeth. So, it's understandable, IMO, that they may have missed one. I remember how appalled everyone was when we found out her family found one on the floor in the bedroom. I guess they just missed one.

The report also says she has bruising around the neck as 'strangulation' marks. So, when was she strangled? Before she was beat to a pulp, or after? and the beating was to hide the strangulation or to be sure the job was done?

IMHO, Jason is still good for this one.

Sorry to hit and run but my time here is limited. Hope LE solves this case!

JMHO
fran

Oh, and PS.........IF the hair found in her hand belonged to Jason, don't you think that in itself would be enough to arrest him for probably cause? Or am I just jumping the gun here? fran

 

[Barney Fife]

I haven't been following this case for awhile as LE seems to be doing nothing or is incognito in their investigation. Please excuse me if this has already been discussed. I know there's a thread about the autopsy, but it's soooo loonggg.

I just read a copy of the autopsy report and it said there was a bag with several of her missing teeth. So, it's understandable, IMO, that they may have missed one. I remember how appalled everyone was when we found out her family found one on the floor in the bedroom. I guess they just missed one.

The report also says she has bruising around the neck as 'strangulation' marks. So, when was she strangled? Before she was beat to a pulp, or after? and the beating was to hide the strangulation or to be sure the job was done?

IMHO, Jason is still good for this one.

Sorry to hit and run but my time here is limited. Hope LE solves this case!

JMHO
fran

Oh, and PS.........IF the hair found in her hand belonged to Jason, don't you think that in itself would be enough to arrest him for probably cause? Or am I just jumping the gun here? fran

We don't know, but best guess would be the choke occured first, followed by the brutal beating. This is my blog describing the injuries from a "ordinary citizen" point of view after viewing the photos.

http://autopsyphotos.blogspot.com

I think the hair would be CE, but could be explained away since he lived in the house.

 

[raisincharlie]

I haven't been following this case for awhile as LE seems to be doing nothing or is incognito in their investigation. Please excuse me if this has already been discussed. I know there's a thread about the autopsy, but it's soooo loonggg.

I just read a copy of the autopsy report and it said there was a bag with several of her missing teeth. So, it's understandable, IMO, that they may have missed one. I remember how appalled everyone was when we found out her family found one on the floor in the bedroom. I guess they just missed one.

The report also says she has bruising around the neck as 'strangulation' marks. So, when was she strangled? Before she was beat to a pulp, or after? and the beating was to hide the strangulation or to be sure the job was done?

IMHO, Jason is still good for this one.

Sorry to hit and run but my time here is limited. Hope LE solves this case!

JMHO
fran

Oh, and PS.........IF the hair found in her hand belonged to Jason, don't you think that in itself would be enough to arrest him for probably cause? Or am I just jumping the gun here? fran

Hey Fran - doing okay ?

The Young family didn't find a whole tooth - they found a part of a tooth. Several speculations about the order of events but have seen nothing official as whether the strangulation was first or last or anything else. Up to your imagination at this point.

My own view is the hair on Michelle's hand - if it belonged to Jy - would not necessarily lead to an immediate arrest for one reason - JY lived in the house so therefore it would be highly possible the hair should be there - not necessarily in her hand but the AR seems to indicate it was laying on her hand. A defense lawyer could make many overtures about that and someone just might believe it. So no I do not believe the hair alone would be reason to arrest JY

Wish I had more news for you - but I don't. Sorry. Its good to see you !

 

[scandi]

I'm thinking sooner or later he will end up trying to lead the flock to the same point JTF made - it was Meredith. For some reason the JY supporters have a real problem with Meredith. I'm wondering what it is that she must obviously know, and they know she knows, that threatens them so much.

Hi Charlie and everyone and Fran, good to see you sweetie!

I thought your idea about driving down Duffield way to kill time and excellent one, and bet that is right on. I thought your idea about the accident having an inadvertant impact on their marriage as nailing how and why their marriage was in big trouble 4 - 5 months before she was killed.

And now you have hit on another mind quenching idea of what could Meredith know that would be a threat.

Right now all I can think of is that the Young home had been the scene of domestic abuse, verbal at first, and then possibly working into physical abuse, and Meredith had seen Michelle like this and told her mom. If he was physically abusive to her it would show a precedent for violence. Of course that would be prejudicial and never be used against him in court, right?

I don't know, but I'll think on it Charlie!

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi Charlie and everyone and Fran, good to see you sweetie!

I thought your idea about driving down Duffield way to kill time and excellent one, and bet that is right on. I thought your idea about the accident having an inadvertant impact on their marriage as nailing how and why their marriage was in big trouble 4 - 5 months before she was killed.

And now you have hit on another mind quenching idea of what could Meredith know that would be a threat.

Right now all I can think of is that the Young home had been the scene of domestic abuse, verbal at first, and then possibly working into physical abuse, and Meredith had seen Michelle like this and told her mom. If he was physically abusive to her it would show a precedent for violence. Of course that would be prejudicial and never be used against him in court, right?

I don't know, but I'll think on it Charlie!

I have no doubt you will puzzle it out.

It just seems to me that some people have some serious issues with Meredith. Maybe they just assumed because LE was waiting for JY it was her fault, I don't know but there is a circle with a definite agenda against her.

 

[pack_fan]

gojo is on CTV talking about rereading "silence of the Lambs". This character is quite a case indeed. I guess he wants us to assume he is RF with his cryptic clues.....geez

Let me just go ahead and put a disclaimer on this one before I get started. I have had computer problems all day and turned out to be something really stupid which just adds to my delightful mood.

I am just about fed up with hit and run posters claiming to be great friends with JY. Maybe they are, I don't particularly care either way. No offense intended to any "insiders" but there is absolutely no inside information to be had in this case other than the relationship between JY and MM. And to be honest with you, I think it is completely irrelevant. Gojo knows that MM is pregnant, so what? He's not the only one, just the only one with so little class to post it on the internet for the world to read.

What good is their information? You have to consider the source. If they are such great friends with JY, do they really expect him to come out and admit that he just brutally murdered his wife. Well no, he would be lying his tail off to protect himself from being "bubba's bit^&". There would be little truth to the claims they are making. For the life of me I can't figure out why all the cryptic messages. Do I really give a sh*t about comparing this case to "silence of the lambs". Well, no, not really. This is not a game nor a riddle, a beautiful young mother is DEAD. It is obvious to me that these so called "friends" have zero respect for Michelle and her unborn son.

It goes either way, seems THEY have it figured out and are quick to lay blame on everyone but Jason. Well by all means, if Jason or any of his "friends" have figured out who did it, I would suggest that they march their a$$es down to the wake county sheriff's office and save those guys some time. We might be able to save the taxpayers some money.

Yada, yada, yada, and jmo......

 

[jilly]

Let me just go ahead and put a disclaimer on this one before I get started. I have had computer problems all day and turned out to be something really stupid which just adds to my delightful mood.

I am just about fed up with hit and run posters claiming to be great friends with JY. Maybe they are, I don't particularly care either way. No offense intended to any "insiders" but there is absolutely no inside information to be had in this case other than the relationship between JY and MM. And to be honest with you, I think it is completely irrelevant. Gojo knows that MM is pregnant, so what? He's not the only one, just the only one with so little class to post it on the internet for the world to read.

What good is their information? You have to consider the source. If they are such great friends with JY, do they really expect him to come out and admit that he just brutally murdered his wife. Well no, he would be lying his tail off to protect himself from being "bubba's bit^&". There would be little truth to the claims they are making. For the life of me I can't figure out why all the cryptic messages. Do I really give a sh*t about comparing this case to "silence of the lambs". Well, no, not really. This is not a game nor a riddle, a beautiful young mother is DEAD. It is obvious to me that these so called "friends" have zero respect for Michelle and her unborn son.

It goes either way, seems THEY have it figured out and are quick to lay blame on everyone but Jason. Well by all means, if Jason or any of his "friends" have figured out who did it, I would suggest that they march their a$$es down to the wake county sheriff's office and save those guys some time. We might be able to save the taxpayers some money.

Yada, yada, yada, and jmo......

:clap: :clap: You nailed it PF. How right you are about their lack of respect for Michelle & her unborn son!

 

[Samiya]

Let me just go ahead and put a disclaimer on this one before I get started. I have had computer problems all day and turned out to be something really stupid which just adds to my delightful mood.

I am just about fed up with hit and run posters claiming to be great friends with JY. Maybe they are, I don't particularly care either way. No offense intended to any "insiders" but there is absolutely no inside information to be had in this case other than the relationship between JY and MM. And to be honest with you, I think it is completely irrelevant. Gojo knows that MM is pregnant, so what? He's not the only one, just the only one with so little class to post it on the internet for the world to read.

What good is their information? You have to consider the source. If they are such great friends with JY, do they really expect him to come out and admit that he just brutally murdered his wife. Well no, he would be lying his tail off to protect himself from being "bubba's bit^&". There would be little truth to the claims they are making. For the life of me I can't figure out why all the cryptic messages. Do I really give a sh*t about comparing this case to "silence of the lambs". Well, no, not really. This is not a game nor a riddle, a beautiful young mother is DEAD. It is obvious to me that these so called "friends" have zero respect for Michelle and her unborn son.

It goes either way, seems THEY have it figured out and are quick to lay blame on everyone but Jason. Well by all means, if Jason or any of his "friends" have figured out who did it, I would suggest that they march their a$$es down to the wake county sheriff's office and save those guys some time. We might be able to save the taxpayers some money.

Yada, yada, yada, and jmo......

Yep yep and yep yep and yep!.

For what it's worth, the only real similarity between Jason and the book 'Silence of the lambs'..........

Is the darn title.

Sami

 

[scandi]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Pack Fan, that post deserves a toast! LOL LOL

Him quoting Shakespeare with the 'blood' quote from Macbeth, and then one of the 10 Comandments, "Thou shall not covet . . .", and he got both quotes wrong. I know because I looked them up!

But then when I read in his post about an hour ago, he is bringing back the neighborhood kids, and then kind of stretching it out to any possible killer who might have been in the area - I have decided he is just so much PoppyCock!

I almost posted tonight about all the things people post about that are not facts, like the 11pm call to Michelle, We have no confirmation on so many of these things that we have just plugged right into our sleuthing. I bet they are having the last laugh on this.

This Gojo is a new breed, kind of an Everyman kind of a guy. Plastic as they come, as he can change his style in a second, be hip and hoppy the next, playful and then be quoting from one of the most world renoun playwrights of all time. He and his cohorts of agenda bend to fit the mood and tenor of the thread, only to spew acideous ideas to hopefully implant in our brains. Like MF and the neighborhood kids, or the hit man theory!

What really gets me Packy, is that through a planned agenda on how they want to turn the tide of public opinion on the forum, is that posters start discussing what they're putting out. You would think our fellow posters would see the light!~

 

[LTUlegal]

Disclaimer: I've been trying to read & read to get caught up on this case. I've been following it, albeit not as closely as the rest of you.

A few things I've observed and will opine: I listened to the 911 call on my headphones. Not state of the art, by any means, but near the beginning, where Cassidy is asking for the washcloth, I heard, "mommy got...mommy got boo boos." And I listened to it again for the Daddy did it. I didn't hear it then and almost gave up. Then, near the very end of the call, when the 911 operator is calling for the police, I hear clearly, "daddy did it." In my opinion, at that time, a 2 year old hasn't had enough coaching from anyone to be led into saying that daddy did it. Also, I agree with many posters here, that she probably just thought mommy had boo boos and was asleep. Death or the finality of it, had not come into that baby girl's head. Her only reality was that her mommy wasn't waking up.
I would also take a guess that whatever blood that was on Cassidy, at the point in which Meredith came in, was fairly dried. Which would lead Meredith to believe that Cassidy wasn't hurt. Therefor, she didn't need to run, screaming from the house with Cassidy.
In regards to her not being able to move Michelle, if I were holding the phone with my chin on my shoulder, depending on the angle that Michelle would've fallen, (perhaps her knee(s) were under her) I would think I would have a hard time moving someone. Besides, iirc, rigor had begun to settle in.
I also believe that Meredith was trying to keep herself calm for Cassidy. I have done that, myself, in certain cases, (not like this one!) but I imagine that's where Meredith was coming from. Then, break down into a crying ball when the urgency is over.
When, in the 911 call, she says that she's her "only sister", I think that's where it hits her that she's all Michelle has & vice versa. I just cannot imagine finding my sister this way.
I don't believe one iota that Meredith had anything to do with this.

I really hope that Raleigh/Durham police start making some arrests when it comes to pregnant mothers being murdered in their very own homes.

All of the above are certainly my opinions only.



Justice for Janet Christiansen Abaroa

 

[LTUlegal]

For those who are still posting at CTV, you've got more spunk than me! I pretty much left that place after sp. I stop by every once in a while, & was reading the MY threads there in order to catch up. (there's just not enough time in the day!) I do still see some of my friends over there, though, following this case!

"Insider" stuff IS interesting though, isn't it? Hard not to look away.

 

[raisincharlie]

Disclaimer: I've been trying to read & read to get caught up on this case. I've been following it, albeit not as closely as the rest of you.

A few things I've observed and will opine: I listened to the 911 call on my headphones. Not state of the art, by any means, but near the beginning, where Cassidy is asking for the washcloth, I heard, "mommy got...mommy got boo boos." And I listened to it again for the Daddy did it. I didn't hear it then and almost gave up. Then, near the very end of the call, when the 911 operator is calling for the police, I hear clearly, "daddy did it." In my opinion, at that time, a 2 year old hasn't had enough coaching from anyone to be led into saying that daddy did it. Also, I agree with many posters here, that she probably just thought mommy had boo boos and was asleep. Death or the finality of it, had not come into that baby girl's head. Her only reality was that her mommy wasn't waking up.
I would also take a guess that whatever blood that was on Cassidy, at the point in which Meredith came in, was fairly dried. Which would lead Meredith to believe that Cassidy wasn't hurt. Therefor, she didn't need to run, screaming from the house with Cassidy.
In regards to her not being able to move Michelle, if I were holding the phone with my chin on my shoulder, depending on the angle that Michelle would've fallen, (perhaps her knee(s) were under her) I would think I would have a hard time moving someone. Besides, iirc, rigor had begun to settle in.
I also believe that Meredith was trying to keep herself calm for Cassidy. I have done that, myself, in certain cases, (not like this one!) but I imagine that's where Meredith was coming from. Then, break down into a crying ball when the urgency is over.
When, in the 911 call, she says that she's her "only sister", I think that's where it hits her that she's all Michelle has & vice versa. I just cannot imagine finding my sister this way.
I don't believe one iota that Meredith had anything to do with this.

I really hope that Raleigh/Durham police start making some arrests when it comes to pregnant mothers being murdered in their very own homes.

All of the above are certainly my opinions only.



Justice for Janet Christiansen Abaroa

LTUlegal,

Thanks for your post and glad you took the time to listen to the tape. I think your synopsis is very good and well thought out. It is always good to hear a perspective from someone who has not been quite so involved - adds clarity.

Hopefully the recent FBI activity in Utah will help to obtain justice for Janet Abaroa !

 

[raisincharlie]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Pack Fan, that post deserves a toast! LOL LOL

Him quoting Shakespeare with the 'blood' quote from Macbeth, and then one of the 10 Comandments, "Thou shall not covet . . .", and he got both quotes wrong. I know because I looked them up!

But then when I read in his post about an hour ago, he is bringing back the neighborhood kids, and then kind of stretching it out to any possible killer who might have been in the area - I have decided he is just so much PoppyCock!

I almost posted tonight about all the things people post about that are not facts, like the 11pm call to Michelle, We have no confirmation on so many of these things that we have just plugged right into our sleuthing. I bet they are having the last laugh on this.

This Gojo is a new breed, kind of an Everyman kind of a guy. Plastic as they come, as he can change his style in a second, be hip and hoppy the next, playful and then be quoting from one of the most world renoun playwrights of all time. He and his cohorts of agenda bend to fit the mood and tenor of the thread, only to spew acideous ideas to hopefully implant in our brains. Like MF and the neighborhood kids, or the hit man theory!

What really gets me Packy, is that through a planned agenda on how they want to turn the tide of public opinion on the forum, is that posters start discussing what they're putting out. You would think our fellow posters would see the light!~

Scandi,

I take a fair amount of heat because I question the insiders and I don't always play nice with them. I do however listen but with caution and am willing to wait and see if there is an agenda. I cannot blame those who come on to defend Jason or try to deflect away from him. They are his friends, we might do the same were we in a position that would not allow us to believe a friend could commit such an atrocity. The one thing about people like JTF and gojo - they always say some things they should not say without realizing it and they most often generate more questions about JY than they ever resolve. With gojo there was the subtle admission that JY is not speaking with LE - that coincides with information we have heard from day one from LE. Ooops.

However, the agendas don't take long to come out in reality. As to the neighborhood kids that we are not to speak of, I have my own thoughts on why it was not these kids. Common sense indicates kids are random by nature, having said that, the wounds inflicted upon Michelle were in no way random. This murder was very focused and direct - not the act of one kid, let alone two. Secondly, there is little doubt in my mind a dog or two was at that scene - those kids would not have washed off blood - the dog(s) would have tracked to a location following the direction the kids left in. The fact that LE did not immediately head west into the neighborhood behind the Young home tells me the dogs indicated to LE that the perp left by car, not on foot down the street, and not through the woods behind the house.

The story about Jason's friends waiting at Meredith's - I will go out on a limb and say from what I know - no way they were sitting in the house with Meredith - police officers, or a victims advocate maybe, but not Jason's friends. If Jy's friends showed up at Meredith's no doubt they would have been questioned. The rest of that little tale stinks IMO. Jys Mom calling Raleigh PD - first why call Raleigh PD when the jurisdiction in control is WCSO ? I believe details of the search warrant for the SUV reveal that there was a certain amount of cooperation offered - no way did LE open the door to that SUV to find a droplet inside on the seat. If LE observed it through a window - it had to be of significant size to do so. This is common sense and this is how those like gojo betray themselves - they have no common sense about it - the inventions are emotion driven rather than sensible - easy to spot the difference.

Gojo is particularly vile because to obtain credibility he did exactly what JY did, took advantage of a woman who has found herself in a bad spot because of a mistake in judgement. The good Lord knows we are all quite capable of making mistakes. This IMO was over the boundary of common decency and just reveals the desperation and grabbing for straws going on in certain circles. To all who read their words, it needs to be kept in mind that these types of insiders have nothing to contribute in reality, the only objective is to divert and make overtures in defense at any cost. The hard questions will never be answered by them. In my mind this exposes the character of those doing so and I don't think I need to give an opinion on that, you all know me well enough to know my thoughts on that.

 

[close_enough]

ugh, nothing new except for things about Gojo, huh?....i agree with "LTUlegal"...it's interesting reading, but imo it gets boring after awhile....

maybe something will 'break' soon...wonder if the forensic evidence is still in the 'backed-up' lab??

 

[Dominique]

I'm thinking sooner or later he will end up trying to lead the flock to the same point JTF made - it was Meredith. For some reason the JY supporters have a real problem with Meredith. I'm wondering what it is that she must obviously know, and they know she knows, that threatens them so much.

She was the first person, after the killer to see his handiwork and pick up the pieces...they are worried about her...she may or may not have issues but she is at least smart and perceptive and strong and she is being quiet for a reason. Why, I don't know, but her silence indicates knowledge and peace of mind that that information tells her there will be justice for her sister soon. That is my op. and I am not even factoring in anything that Cassie said to her.

His supporters do have her in their sights and that shows desperation to me. In fact, most of what those insiders,who post intimate info, indicate grasping desperation and a stubborn insistance that JY could not have done this, yet they back their suppositions up w/innuendo and no facts to support the premise. Desperate times for Team-JY.

 

[raisincharlie]

She was the first person, after the killer to see his handiwork and pick up the pieces...they are worried about her...she may or may not have issues but she is at least smart and perceptive and strong and she is being quiet for a reason. Why, I don't know, but her silence indicates knowledge and peace of mind that that information tells her there will be justice for her sister soon. That is my op. and I am not even factoring in anything that Cassie said to her.

His supporters do have her in their sights and that shows desperation to me. In fact, most of what those insiders,who post intimate info, indicate grasping desperation and a stubborn insistance that JY could not have done this, yet they back their suppositions up w/innuendo and no facts to support the premise. Desperate times for Team-JY.

I agree and I doubt the mud slinging is over, afraid it is just starting. I have no doubt, if JY is arrested and brought to trial, her cross exam will not be gentle in any manner. JMO