Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 12

[scandi]

Good Morning Everyone,

Well I fell asleep half way thru my dog show :doh: and just woke up, so I thought I'd see what's up here. Crazy, huh, at 2:40 in the morning! lol

So Sami you are saying then that the newscaster got wrong info for his noon news yesterday in Raleigh. Figures. Each CD {not discs} had a title, so maybe the info hadn't been transfered onto the CD yet if there is something weird with the CD's.

One poster over there said they thought since Michelle was so organized she could have been preparing documentation for the divorce. I don't know about that, as in Oregon divorces are non-fault, and you don't have to prove indiscretions. Divorces are based on irreconcilable {sp} differences.

One thing that struck me last night is how intelligent Michelle was.
With her degree in that particular field it is something to look up to.
Taking that fact, it leads me back to Charlie and all the musings in his head that become startling peeks into what might have happened!

Often couples are attracted to each other that have different personalities - we all know opposites attract. And this must be the example of the year brought for us to focus on, because in her field of work, Michelle's brain was trained to think in a very organized way where little details could make all the difference in the correctness of what she did. She did however have that wonderful balance of an outgoing personality.

Charlie pointed out to me that JY was a bit of a prankster from learning things that have been pointed out about him, and I'm thinking maybe that was his basic personality, thereby falling short on looking at the serious side of life. If he is a sociopath or basicly self serving individual, it might vent itself this way in the way he aproaches everything in life. Sometimes these kind of people make good salespeople from what I have seen in life.

I think you did a post on this Charlie, so forgive me if you haven't yet , but the more I think about it, it touched on a bit of great sleuthing on your part.

If Jy was horsing around when the accident happened, which was why the car went out of control in that accident near the river, and as a result of that accident Michelle lost her little baby boy, it could be she could not forgive him. And it could be with his basic personality in life he did not show her that he was genuinely sorry, and might have just continued on living his vida loco kind of approach to life. Maybe she thought he should cut the horseplay attitude and she saw no change in him at all.

Because of that, it could have been the 'rub' to where their true problems started to show, and the marriage, which might have started on shaky grounds, started ripping apart. After the miscarriage JY seemed to be gone a lot from home, she was again pregnant, and though they might have still been intimate as they slept in the same bed, LOL, they might have become detached as he reached out for others to fulfill his needs.

Charlie posted a new little timeline here last night, and I think it shows that from the time of that accident on things started to go down hill. I think he really hated her, thought she was was over-bearing and a bit snooty.
She did care what people thought of them, and I don't think he really did.

Sorry this got so long, but it is a big subject. And it could go to showing his state of mind and that he felt she had him in a box of responsiblty. And with his happy life sneaking around as an adulterer exposed, it was too big a threat for him to go on. He had probably dreamed of wrapping his fingers around her neck many times, and then that fatal night, that is what he found himself doing.

PS: I still ponder on the foot examination and the biding time possibility of the trip thru Brevard. I think they both merit much more thought in the case. Thanks Charlie.

See you in the morning Scandi

 

[scandi]

Thanks Sami, Looks like things are heating up very nicely in the case. Usually everything good takes time, and I think Mr Smith might be looking for a plea deal in this case, and probably also looking for a reason for the plea!~

I've been thinking about that 1 1/2" cut on Michelle's left jaw where evidently the bone came through. I'm wondering if Michelle's head being on the floor when the blow to the left side of her head caused that wound, if her hand had slipped down from the top of her head towards her ear or jaw, could the bone coming out have made the wound on her left thumb? Aren't those the only two slicing type wounds?

Thanks as always Sami :blowkiss: Scandi

 

[Samiya]

Wow Scandi Honey.........

I'll have to go get a cuppa before I start reading that one You well and truly snuck up on me there girly, lol.

I popped in with some info of the DNA testing. Nope no news

Still waiting as you'll see in belows quote and link....

"The sheriff's office is still waiting on DNA testing to come back in the case."

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-02-12-0010.html


Sami

 

[Samiya]

WOW! News And Observer..

Wife's money fears, fury detailed
Murder victim stressed over money, angry at husband's trip without her, warrant shows

http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/542587.html


Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison has described Jason Young as uncooperative with the investigation. He has responded only to a court order compelling him to provide footprints, fingerprints and samples of blood, saliva and hair.

Sheriff's spokeswoman Phyllis Stephens declined to say what investigators learned when they compared Young's samples with the evidence from the crime scene.

"That would be part of the investigation and we can't discuss that," Stephens said.

Last week, Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said investigators are taking their time because they want to construct a tight case. "No one wants to just make an arrest," he said.

Sheriff's investigators reported "the briefest conversation" with Jason Young at the onset of their probe, when he referred investigators to his attorney, Roger Smith Jr. of Raleigh, court records show. Smith could not be reached for comment Monday.

WOW again.
Sami

 

[scandi]

Thanks Sami for this other new link. Taximom was really on the spot posting that article about how behind the State lab is, and it is good to know that the statement from LE about their still waiting is true. I wondered if they were stalling for more time to investigate more.

To quote from your link above Sami, I also thought this statement was vellllly intellllesting":

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-02-12-0010.html

Snippet
" The investigator also says in the warrants that he "knows from review of other witness and case information of some importance of the events around the October to November 2003 time frame when the couple got married."

Oh my, I just had a huge yawn - a double one. Gonna go crawl back into my comfy bed, but it sure is nice to meet you here like this, passing in the middle of the night. YaYa



ps: I wonder if something bizarre happened at their wedding shower, like a live gal popping out of the cake and JY taking her right there on the table Maybe he made a pass at one of her bridesmaids. Maybe he got really drunk and fell into the wedding cake





Don't you just love being WOWWED in this case?

 

[Samiya]

ps: I wonder if something bizarre happened at their wedding shower, like a live gal popping out of the cake and JY taking her right there on the table Maybe he made a pass at one of her bridesmaids. Maybe he got really drunk and fell into the wedding cake
QUOTE]

OMG! WOW!

Scandi,

Go to bed honey before those pictures stick in your mind and you have recurring nightmares!

LMAO!!!

Sami
(pessin haself luffin)

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks Sami for this other new link. Taximom was really on the spot posting that article about how behind the State lab is, and it is good to know that the statement from LE about their still waiting is true. I wondered if they were stalling for more time to investigate more.

To quote from your link above Sami, I also thought this statement was vellllly intellllesting":

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-02-12-0010.html

Snippet
" The investigator also says in the warrants that he "knows from review of other witness and case information of some importance of the events around the October to November 2003 time frame when the couple got married."

Oh my, I just had a huge yawn - a double one. Gonna go crawl back into my comfy bed, but it sure is nice to meet you here like this, passing in the middle of the night. YaYa



ps: I wonder if something bizarre happened at their wedding shower, like a live gal popping out of the cake and JY taking her right there on the table Maybe he made a pass at one of her bridesmaids. Maybe he got really drunk and fell into the wedding cake





Don't you just love being WOWWED in this case?

Holy moly Scandi,

I just got in from hacking out a horse - see this and the old coffee pot just can't make the brew quick enough ! This visual gave me quite the shock luv - a revolting one to say the least.

 

[curious1]

snip...
P.S. Curious1, you touched my heart today! XO!

Aww, thanks sweetie. :blowkiss:

 

[Samiya]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=5028855

FORMER DETECTIVE: YOUNG MAY HAVE KNOWN HER KILLER....

Wake County investigators say Michelle Young's murder was not random, but they still have not named a suspect. Former homicide detective Chris Morgan was the lead investigator in the Eric Miller murder case, a Raleigh husband who was poisoned with arsenic. His wife, Ann Miller,was later convicted of the crime. Prior to his retirement, Morgan helped to solve the rape and murder of Stephanie Bennett, a North Raleigh resident found dead in her apartment.

Sami

 

[curious1]

snip....Then again I've never had the closeness of a bunch of sorority sisters, so I don't know. Also, these girls are much younger than me so it's quite likely that they have a whole different relationship with their friends.

What I did get out of the warrant was that JY was controlling. Saying this because I think he might have been jealous that MY & CY went to visit her mother. IMO he took it out on her when she returned by taking his family (AND PAYING FOR IT!!!!).

ETA Just re reading my own post lol. I would definitely b**ch to my friends about my husbands family but not financial.

Anyways, I'm ecstatic to learn that MY talked to somebody!!!

I do 'talk' (translation ) to my friends when I think DH is spending too much $$$ on his car that he is turning into a race car. Oh yeah, they get an earful sometimes. So I can see MY talking with a close friend about financial stuff. It's good to bounce things off your friends I find. Sometimes your family is too close to you and to quick to side with you, but your friends, your true friends, will snap you out of it if you are being unreasonable about something.

 

[curious1]

Holy moly Scandi,

I just got in from hacking out a horse - see this and the old coffee pot just can't make the brew quick enough ! This visual gave me quite the shock luv - a revolting one to say the least.

Okay, going to get a second cuppa because I read that the first time as 'hacking up a horse'. I thought, gee does RC work for a slaughterhouse? :sick:

As far as the former detective, he seems pretty sharp from what I 'know' of him. It might have taken about 4 years, but they did not give up and got the perp in the Stephanie Bennett Case. And aside from some of the state NC does seem pretty determined....headline today....
Man faces charges of killing girl in 1966

77-year-old accused of murder


http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/16684497.htm

Me thinks I will post this over at Janet's thread to give a certain Bird something to think about and make him sweat.

 

[raisincharlie]

I don't know RC,

So many "points" aren't in concrete yet.

IF Michelle had just miscarried, gone home to N.Y.with Cassidy to be around her mother and Jayson refused to go....Then when she gets home he takes HIS family for a jaunt to Calif. Could be a problem.

You know, I already wouldn't trust the guy in a $hit house with a muzzle on, so maybe I am overly critical, but just seems to me like a house long divided.

Nite-Nite!

P.S. Curious1, you touched my heart today! XO!

5bigfish5,

I was just talking about Michelle telling persons other than family about this. I don't see this as being so personal it would be restricted to her just telling her family was what I was trying to get across, obviously not very well explaned.

I totally agree, if there were some financial problems brewing, this could indeed cause a fair amount of friction between Michelle and Jason. But in fairness I also have to say that I think the concept may have been more of the problem than actual finances - don't forget Michelle had a trip scheduled in November for the spa. So I'm not exactly sure that finances alone were the total reason for the stressing. Yes, I am prepared to be blasted for that comment but when the dust settles I still think the big picture tells the wider story than a single event. Don't know if that makes sense but that is where my brain has taken me.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hehe - I had a very controlling first husband. He was out of town once and I went to a lowsey baseball game with a girlfriend. He was so upset that when he came home he disappeared with his buddies for 3 days. Like you say "I'll fix you" or teach you a lesson which imo results from jealousy & control.

A lot of times, I think we women draw from our personal experiences when forming opinions on these topics.

I'll split the difference here with ya. :crazy: I think he did want to control her but I'll agree that he was not able to - hence she went off to see her mother anyways. Throughout this power struggle I think he played mind games with her hence ok you go see your mother - "I'll fix you".

Same as the affair - perhaps - don't want to have sex with me? - ok I'll find someone else and "I'll really fix you". I'll take one of your best friends.

There came a point though where I think Michelle gained total control and was calling it quits. There was no option left for him but to kill her.

No idea if I'm right but this is just what I am sensing.

I like this approach. :clap:

 

[Mama-cita]

ps: I wonder if something bizarre happened at their wedding shower, like a live gal popping out of the cake and JY taking her right there on the table Maybe he made a pass at one of her bridesmaids. Maybe he got really drunk and fell into the wedding cake

EEEEWWWWWWWW! Doube EWWWWW! I might go blind if I try to imagine that!

 

[Mama-cita]

Sami you are a goddess. You continue to amaze me with what you come up with about the case. Scandi, I like you theory about JY being a goofball, that his horsing around caused the accident that led to the miscarriage, yada yada.

She really may have gone into the marriage thinking she could tame him. But he was not tameable. Reminds me SO MUCH of SP. Which is why I wonder if the incidents that occurred after/around the time of the wedding involve an affair that MY knew about. Remember Janet Ilse? Wasn't that the one SP was boinking while he was away at school? Maybe JY had a VERY public affair very close to the time of their wedding. At that point what was MY to do? She was very pregnant with Cassidy. As women we always think we would throw the bast**d out if he was cheating, but how many of us would reconsider if we were facing the prospect of birth and parenting ALONE.

I still don't get how JY is a "ladies man." Barf. I still maintain he is the uglier, dorkier brother of Conan O'Brien...

 

[raisincharlie]

Okay, going to get a second cuppa because I read that the first time as 'hacking up a horse'. I thought, gee does RC work for a slaughterhouse? :sick:

<snip>

OMG

In all my years of working with these magical creatures, I can proudly say I have never done anything to harm a single one in any way. Shoot me first !


Very funny Curious 1 ! Now I need another cup of joe...


ETA - Taximom and Sami - thanks for all the articles to get us caught up again. Still waitng on DNA - hopefully and crossing fingers, Michelle got a hold of the perp and has left the trail to him.

 

[curious1]

:laugh:

snip...I still don't get how JY is a "ladies man." Barf. I still maintain he is the uglier, dorkier brother of Conan O'Brien...

You are so right on that one.

RC, I know you'd never do anything to hurt an animal.

And ladies, if a guy is a jerk before you marry him, remember, he will only become a bigger one. After you marry him he will think, oh, I got her now, what's she gonna do.

And if he does not want children and you do....well, ladies, please find this out BEFORE you get married. :doh:

And men, if you don't want kids and she gets pregnant, just divorce her. Divorce is a lot cheaper than a really expensive lawyer to defend you for murder in a long trial.

 

[raisincharlie]

Since I get to play on my own thanks for an infuriating time zone...

Here's a comment from an astounding woman who has the patience of a Saint and a wonderful way with words


Speaking from her home in Sayville, Linda Fisher, Michelle's mother, said she believed detectives were doing everything they could.

"I'd just like for it to be done already," Fisher said. "I'd like that more than anything. But they have to do what they have to do. And I guess I just have to have patience."

And from our LE spokesperson...

Phyllis Stephens, a spokeswoman for the sheriff's office, called the investigation "still an active case, very much so.

"There's a lot of evidence to go through," Stephens said Monday. "We're still following up on leads." She said Jason Young has been uncooperative and investigators have not been able to interview him.

And as usual from Mr Smith Junior's office....

Jason Young's attorney, Roger Smith Jr., could not be reached for comment.

Sami

So I don't spoil that beautiful flow of my post, the link is below

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lichee0213,0,7032053.story?coll=ny-longisland-homepage
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/l...3,0,7032053.story?coll=ny-longisland-homepage

Sami,

Really appreciate this post and the attached article - it corrects some rumors that have been floating around, i.e. that Linda Fisher had moved to Raleigh. Hopefully you will post this at another location and some will read it very s l o w l y and recognize that the rumor mill is not always correct.

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks Sami, Looks like things are heating up very nicely in the case. Usually everything good takes time, and I think Mr Smith might be looking for a plea deal in this case, and probably also looking for a reason for the plea!~

I've been thinking about that 1 1/2" cut on Michelle's left jaw where evidently the bone came through. I'm wondering if Michelle's head being on the floor when the blow to the left side of her head caused that wound, if her hand had slipped down from the top of her head towards her ear or jaw, could the bone coming out have made the wound on her left thumb? Aren't those the only two slicing type wounds?

Thanks as always Sami :blowkiss: Scandi

After all the work that has gone into this case and the absolute revulsion of the crime scene and the mere fact that Cassidy was left alone with her mother in a pool of blood - I have doubts that any DA in Wake County will offer a plea deal. Smith may beg for one if the case is overwhelming but I believe he will be wasting both time and energy. The best he can do is try to save JYs life. JMO

 

[strach304]

RC Thank you very much for posting about the warrants.

Witness B - GA friend?
After reading - seems a $500 Coach purse is the last thing Michelle would have wanted!

My thoughts run along this line too, so this is also for RC. My first impression of the A and B witnesses and reference to their ages made me think of Jasons sisters. Still possible if they were put on the spot by LE with pics and financial data and other witness accounts. Then there's the two SS's named Michelle maybe? Shelly is probably short for Michelle and is said to be the younger SS. Add to that in the warrant she said "other things Jason would go out and do". The ring stunt if true and the timing probably was her ring so MY had to pay for another? I wouldn't want that ring back. The Oct. and Nov. 2003 part is intriguing and I think we know something about it. They were married first and then had the ceremony and I think we have all that info in a thread here that may direct us to what that is. Anybody remember if it was Myrtle Beach they went for the honeymoon? Two of those discs are listed with that date.

I took the new warrant info as evidence of financial strife mostly but if you think about it there is more to it. Shows me the relationship wasn't on good terms. Both apparently spent time away from the other with their mothers. Michelle took Cassidy though. Wouldn't Jason have done the same thing if his mother was on the trip to CA.? Just speculating and suspicious but what if that's what Michelle thought and she found out that was an excuse and not true for large expenses he incurred? Was she going through that stuff that night? Is that why there's no reference to the family members "insiders" claim were on that trip in the warrant? I'm sure that's the story Michelle relayed too because that's what she thought. I don't think any of that info is pertinent for the warrant or misleading anyway if LE wanted to show the financial angle.