Michelle Young, Pregnant Mom, Murdered NC Part 10

[jilly]

Since it has been confirmed over and over in warrant after warrant and now in the People Mag LE says they offered JY their condolences and asked him for assistance and he refused from that moment forward - does anyone believe JY truly had a scheduled meeting that he actually attended in Virginia on 3 November?

I'm starting to think 'no' if I can believe a poster at CTV who said JY told a friend at the funeral that he had a meeting in Va. JY knows LE would be talking to that friend.

I think this murder was premeditated and if he did have a meeting it would be anywhere but Va.

 

[Taximom]

I'm starting to think 'no' if I can believe a poster at CTV who said JY told a friend at the funeral that he had a meeting in Va. JY knows LE would be talking to that friend.

I think this murder was premeditated and if he did have a meeting it would be anywhere but Va.

jilly, I'm with you! Anything JY told friends at the funeral should be highly suspect. :liar:

It would be interesting to find out how ChartOne gets new business. Do they get the potential clients and assign the client to the rep that has that area? Or do they expect their reps to get clients and do the cold calls? (or both?!) I'm just wondering how JY would have had a client in VA. :waitasec: Maybe all the reps have large areas to cover.

 

[pack_fan]

Since it has been confirmed over and over in warrant after warrant and now in the People Mag LE says they offered JY their condolences and asked him for assistance and he refused from that moment forward - does anyone believe JY truly had a scheduled meeting that he actually attended in Virginia on 3 November?

Yes and no and don't really know. My multiple personalities keep arguing with one another. I do beleive that all of us (the personalities) will be in counseling when this is said and done with.

If money was the motive for the murder, this had been planned for at least three months (considering the insurance change/addition). If he was going to use the business trip as a motive, he would be quite foolish to tell friends at the funeral that he was gone to a business meeting if indeed there was not one in the first place. I would think that he would want someone to see his smiling face the next day in order to establish his whereabouts and make LE prove that he had the opportunity to commit the crime. I would also think that it would have been an early morning meeting to narrow down the time line.

His statements could have been taken the wrong way by RF and misrepresented in the media. It is possible that he was in the area cold calling on customers or checking on things for current customers. This would seem less likely to me if he had planned the murder so far in advance. I still think he would want to create a timeline for himself if indeed he is the perp. It would be interesting to find out how Chart one handles travel with salesmen. Most companies arrange travel for scheduled meetings, others do so by expense reports and the salesmen handle their own arrangements.

I guess I would lean towards yes to the business meeting. It would narrow the window of opportunity if he checked in late or made a late night phone call then had an early business meeting rather than no scheduled agenda.

jmo, imo, moo, xyz, abc, xxx, ooo, and zzz......

 

[scandi]

Hi Pack Fan,

Did you ever hit that nail on the head when you said "I do beleive that all of us (the personalities) will be in counseling when this is said and done with."

I just found myself in that predicament, imagining what I would have to do to kill someone so viciously and leave my baby girl alone with the dead body.
Totally bizarre. I can't believe I even said that.

But tonight I started thinking about Cassidy. That simple and astute little protector of her mommy who loved her daddy too. It just overwhelmed me so and made me realize she is the passion for me in this case. It is what keeps my brain trying to solve the case.

When I think about it I had just watched 2 hours of American Idol in Seattle, and believe me, if anything could turn a woman nutso, that could do it!

 

[jilly]

jilly, I'm with you! Anything JY told friends at the funeral should be highly suspect. :liar:

It would be interesting to find out how ChartOne gets new business. Do they get the potential clients and assign the client to the rep that has that area? Or do they expect their reps to get clients and do the cold calls? (or both?!) I'm just wondering how JY would have had a client in VA. :waitasec: Maybe all the reps have large areas to cover.

Yup - just more questions to add to our pile!

 

[raisincharlie]

Yes and no and don't really know. My multiple personalities keep arguing with one another. I do beleive that all of us (the personalities) will be in counseling when this is said and done with.

If money was the motive for the murder, this had been planned for at least three months (considering the insurance change/addition). If he was going to use the business trip as a motive, he would be quite foolish to tell friends at the funeral that he was gone to a business meeting if indeed there was not one in the first place. I would think that he would want someone to see his smiling face the next day in order to establish his whereabouts and make LE prove that he had the opportunity to commit the crime. I would also think that it would have been an early morning meeting to narrow down the time line.

His statements could have been taken the wrong way by RF and misrepresented in the media. It is possible that he was in the area cold calling on customers or checking on things for current customers. This would seem less likely to me if he had planned the murder so far in advance. I still think he would want to create a timeline for himself if indeed he is the perp. It would be interesting to find out how Chart one handles travel with salesmen. Most companies arrange travel for scheduled meetings, others do so by expense reports and the salesmen handle their own arrangements.

I guess I would lean towards yes to the business meeting. It would narrow the window of opportunity if he checked in late or made a late night phone call then had an early business meeting rather than no scheduled agenda.

jmo, imo, moo, xyz, abc, xxx, ooo, and zzz......

Pack fan,

Multiple personalities - bless your heart !

I agree with most of what you have said, it all makes sense. IMO there may have been a meeting - but I am not convinced he attended it if it existed. Yes he would want someone to see him if he indeed had on a bright smiling face - but what if he didn't have a bright smiley face - would he still want someone to see him ? He would have to be aware that whoever he met with might also be able to say he looked like cold cr@p as easily as they could say he looked bright and smiley. I think if he looked bad from being awake all nite, or he had a shiner, or scratches he would rather not be seen to avoid anyone saying so. JMO

LE was looking for something on his person that might reveal a struggle when they requested the non testimonial order - I'm not big on reading much into the sunglasses at the funeral service - but there is the possiblity that there was a reason for them beyond just the fact it was a bright sunny day.

I still can't get past LE detaining his SUV upon his return to Raleigh and then getting a warrant to sieze it after inspection - hinky meters were ringing IMO. There is no logical reason to detain his vehicle if he admitted to LE where he was - plenty of reason for LE to go hinky if he refused to tell them anything. JMO.

 

[pack_fan]

Hi Pack Fan,

Did you ever hit that nail on the head when you said "I do beleive that all of us (the personalities) will be in counseling when this is said and done with."

I just found myself in that predicament, imagining what I would have to do to kill someone so viciously and leave my baby girl alone with the dead body.
Totally bizarre. I can't believe I even said that.

But tonight I started thinking about Cassidy. That simple and astute little protector of her mommy who loved her daddy too. It just overwhelmed me so and made me realize she is the passion for me in this case. It is what keeps my brain trying to solve the case.

When I think about it I had just watched 2 hours of American Idol in Seattle, and believe me, if anything could turn a woman nutso, that could do it!

I can't imagine what kind of person could commit a crime like this in the first place, much less with Cassidy in the house. If JY did this and knew that she would wake up to her dead mother or even worse wake up during the act, I'm all for bringing back hangings.

Sort of off topic but not really. Another case this week near Raleigh where a little girl was beheaded by her father with a knife. He was returned today and his pastor made a statement saying that this just wasn't his personality. I guess you never know do you?

 

[pack_fan]

Pack fan,

Multiple personalities - bless your heart !

I agree with most of what you have said, it all makes sense. IMO there may have been a meeting - but I am not convinced he attended it if it existed. Yes he would want someone to see him if he indeed had on a bright smiling face - but what if he didn't have a bright smiley face - would he still want someone to see him ? He would have to be aware that whoever he met with might also be able to say he looked like cold cr@p as easily as they could say he looked bright and smiley. I think if he looked bad from being awake all nite, or he had a shiner, or scratches he would rather not be seen to avoid anyone saying so. JMO

LE was looking for something on his person that might reveal a struggle when they requested the non testimonial order - I'm not big on reading much into the sunglasses at the funeral service - but there is the possiblity that there was a reason for them beyond just the fact it was a bright sunny day.

I still can't get past LE detaining his SUV upon his return to Raleigh and then getting a warrant to sieze it after inspection - hinky meters were ringing IMO. There is no logical reason to detain his vehicle if he admitted to LE where he was - plenty of reason for LE to go hinky if he refused to tell them anything. JMO.

You make good points as well. I would suspect that he wouldn't have wanted to be seen if he was not up to snuff so to speak. I can't make up my mind on this one, could go either way for me. I would think in a perfect scenario that there would be a meeting and he would have shown up but there are endless possibilities on this one (and I guess all the rest as well). Only JY knows the truth.

 

[Taximom]

Did he wear his sunglasses to this meeting if it occurred?

I still think the total silence from MY's family says it all. I think Linda and Meredith Fisher would be calling publically for LE to arrest a killer at this point, but they aren't. That's because they know LE will arrest the killer and they all know who he is.

It must be driving the Fishers crazy that Cassidy is with JY. I hope they have an attorney working on custody papers ready to serve when the killer is arrested.

All my opinion, as usual.

 

[raisincharlie]

You make good points as well. I would suspect that he wouldn't have wanted to be seen if he was not up to snuff so to speak. I can't make up my mind on this one, could go either way for me. I would think in a perfect scenario that there would be a meeting and he would have shown up but there are endless possibilities on this one (and I guess all the rest as well). Only JY knows the truth.

FWIW - most of the time when I have these imaginings - I'm wrong.

 

[pack_fan]

FWIW - most of the time when I have these imaginings - I'm wrong.

With as little info as we have to work with, we could be so far off course that we may never make it back.

 

[raisincharlie]

With as little info as we have to work with, we could be so far off course that we may never make it back.

Sometimes what is not said is equally as important as what is uttered. So far I have heard nothing saying JY has been cleared of any wrong doing in connection with this case. By now, if JY had an air tight alibi that checked out - that statement should have been forthcoming from LE in light of the media making it rather obvious by the public release of warrants aimed specifically at him.

 

[pack_fan]

Sometimes what is not said is equally as important as what is uttered. So far I have heard nothing saying JY has been cleared of any wrong doing in connection with this case. By now, if JY had an air tight alibi that checked out - that statement should have been forthcoming from LE in light of the media making it rather obvious by the public release of warrants aimed specifically at him.

Yeah, I was talking out of my rear end. All the warrants have been just like this...


:laugh: JY.


Charlie, may have seen this already but I posted a little nasty gram for you in the people thread. All in good fun. I'll check in tomorrow and hope for some good news.

 

[SO What]

I just had to come out of lurkdome.

The thing that is missing in this case is the media interest. SP couldn't leave his house unless the media was all over him. We new where he was, who he was with, what he was doing down to the minute detail.

What can we do to get the media interested in this case like they were interested in the SP case.

 

[raisincharlie]

I just had to come out of lurkdome.

The thing that is missing in this case is the media interest. SP couldn't leave his house unless the media was all over him. We new where he was, who he was with, what he was doing down to the minute detail.

What can we do to get the media interested in this case like they were interested in the SP case.

SO What,

You have hit on an issue we have wondered about - the media. I don't know the answers but can speculate. I would say the first thing that stands out is Jason Young is not out there lapping up the media attention as did SP, he loved it. I also don't think he ever thought he would get caught so for him it was much as his phone calls - very imaginative.

I think there is a huge difference in the mindset of the media from the east coast versus the west coast, well lets be blunt - California, overall. Then throw in the Duke fiasco which is only a county away from Raleigh and I can see reasons why the media is being rather precise in this case. In this case I also think that the LE department investigating has made a firm commitment to solving the case correctly and as it should be. Just because sleuths find this case intriging does not mean the local residents do, just a few thoughts.

 

[SO What]

RC, I agree with your take on it. I just find it hard to believe that there haven't been any sightings of JY (that I heard of) out to dinner, at a bar, shopping, etc, etc.

I haven't read every single thread on this subject so maybe I missed something.

 

[L L & S]

Scott Peterson did get a lot of camera time and a lot of people writing about him online.

I only wish Janet Christiansen Abaroa's case would get a little spot light time. People Mag.... anywhere. She was such a beautiful person. I have gotten to know more about her from her family. I wish NiFong would pack up his desk and move away and let someone with some ethics step into that office.

I'm happy that Michelle is getting the press she deserves. I feel her case will go to court way before Janet's ever will. I say a little pray for Cassidy every night.

Thanks for letting me vent on your thread!

 

[raisincharlie]

RC, I agree with your take on it. I just find it hard to believe that there haven't been any sightings of JY (that I heard of) out to dinner, at a bar, shopping, etc, etc.

I haven't read every single thread on this subject so maybe I missed something.

So What - you haven't missed it - it just hasn't happened. JY is reported to be down in Brevard but is keeping a very low profile. As I recall the media did follow him around when he came in to respond to the non testimonial order and once they reported he was at the cemetery. Other than that - he is in deep seclusion. Honestly I don't blame him - and I am sure his lawyer has expressed to him the importance of maintaining complete silence on several fronts, not just with LE. JMO

 

[close_enough]

Since it has been confirmed over and over in warrant after warrant and now in the People Mag LE says they offered JY their condolences and asked him for assistance and he refused from that moment forward - does anyone believe JY truly had a scheduled meeting that he actually attended in Virginia on 3 November?

i'm still thinking he did....at least for the time being...i think he at least stopped & discussed 'business' with someone in VA...

 

[close_enough]

Yes and no and don't really know. My multiple personalities keep arguing with one another. I do beleive that all of us (the personalities) will be in counseling when this is said and done with.

If money was the motive for the murder, this had been planned for at least three months (considering the insurance change/addition). If he was going to use the business trip as a motive, he would be quite foolish to tell friends at the funeral that he was gone to a business meeting if indeed there was not one in the first place. I would think that he would want someone to see his smiling face the next day in order to establish his whereabouts and make LE prove that he had the opportunity to commit the crime. I would also think that it would have been an early morning meeting to narrow down the time line.
His statements could have been taken the wrong way by RF and misrepresented in the media. It is possible that he was in the area cold calling on customers or checking on things for current customers. This would seem less likely to me if he had planned the murder so far in advance. I still think he would want to create a timeline for himself if indeed he is the perp. It would be interesting to find out how Chart one handles travel with salesmen. Most companies arrange travel for scheduled meetings, others do so by expense reports and the salesmen handle their own arrangements.

I guess I would lean towards yes to the business meeting. It would narrow the window of opportunity if he checked in late or made a late night phone call then had an early business meeting rather than no scheduled agenda.

jmo, imo, moo, xyz, abc, xxx, ooo, and zzz......

i agree with the above..especially in bold letters....i think the 'meeting' was part of the plan/alibi/timeline....he needed to be seen doing some kind of business early morning on November 3rd....